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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: TAB on July 01, 2016, 09:23:33 PM
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Yes that is what you think. Some one in 1999 removed 4' of 8" clay line and then back filled....from 4 homes and 1 duplex
I was past the knees thank god for hip waiters.
126' of line needs too be replaced as its back so solid that a hydro jet (presure washer on a stick with vac)didn't work. Oh yeah must be hand dug as those are 2 water mains and there is a gas line 4" on one side and 6" on the other....
$200/ hour is not enough... should be.around 60k when done.
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Fun !
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So Sorry. At son's house the original plumber didn't have a 4" to 6" adapter so he just duct taped the drain pipes together. Excellent growing medium for tree roots.
Here's a creative ad from a local plumbing company.
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You lost me Tab. I'm not into construction. Are you saying they removed the sewer line, filled it in with dirt, and now the shit has nowhere to go, so it's backing up?
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So Sorry. At son's house the original plumber didn't have a 4" to 6" adapter so he just duct taped the drain pipes together. Excellent growing medium for tree roots.
Had a similar issue at my folks house in MI back in '89. The town/city tied the house line to the main with a clay adapter that was cracked. Over the 20 years it was there it was sending raw sewage to a large sugar maple on the boulevard. Damn tree shot a root up the pipe fifty feet into Maw and Paw's basement plumbing..
Good thing I was home at the time cuz the contractor nearly dug up the entire driveway cuz the drawings from the town were wrong. I pointed to a small depression in the yard and told him to "Dig here! I played in the trench when they dug it in '69!" The backhoe shovel hit it dead on...
Town paid for the repair cuz the inspector said it was broken from install...
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You lost me Tab. I'm not into construction. Are you saying they removed the sewer line, filled it in with dirt, and now the shit has nowhere to go, so it's backing up?
yes. Whats worse is the pipe is clogged solid and has to be replaced. It has what ammounts to 6 houses with out a working sewer for 17 years.
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It has what amounts to 6 houses with out a working sewer for 17 years.
Oh, crap.
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One of those jobs Mexican's won't do.
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One of those jobs Mexican's won't do.
at $200/ hr. They would love too. 6 guys on site today getting paid ot.
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Oh, crap.
Yep...and a lot of it.......almost a democratic national convention's worth. :o
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yes. Whats worse is the pipe is clogged solid and has to be replaced. It has what ammounts to 6 houses with out a working sewer for 17 years.
So where did all the shit and toilet paper go from 6 houses for 17 years? You would think it would have backed up in a day?
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So where did all the shit and toilet paper go from 6 houses for 17 years? You would think it would have backed up in a day?
it decomposes in the pipe. the liquid goes in the ground. the pipe is solid compost. 126' at 8" is a lot of volume.
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it decomposes in the pipe. the liquid goes in the ground. the pipe is solid compost. 126' at 8" is a lot of volume.
About 330 gallons....give or take.
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Yea, 8 in pipe x 100 ft is approx 270 gallons.. Sound about right!
Average house of two people will use over 100k gallons of water annual. The flush of yer crapper is mostly water..
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The flush of yer crapper is mostly water.
Not when I'm done! speak for yourself. ;D
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it decomposes in the pipe. the liquid goes in the ground. the pipe is solid compost. 126' at 8" is a lot of volume.
Even with that section missing, a certain amount will make its way through. At first it will be just liquid eroding the soil to find a path. Then it will be everything. High flow periods will carry solids just like a fully functional system, but during low flow solids will not carry. This is what happens in your home system as it ages - More severe with cast iron that is rough and builds rust, but also in PVC that builds up with dried solids that stick.
To start a drift, we can expect an increase in sewer line and main issues with the explosion of low flow and water conservation. Our traditional systems are not designed for high dry matter low flow. I am not an engineer, but having dealt with our own septic system and with four six styles of manure handling, we would benefit from small holding tanks with chopper pumps to send our sewage to the main through smaller pipes. The days of four to six inch gravity feed is nearing an end.
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Breaking out the pipe today. Just waiting on the vac. Its going too be fun.
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Breaking out the pipe today. Just waiting on the vac. Its going too be fun.
This reminds me of Andy's escape in Shawshank Redemption. Just wait for a good Thunderstorm before you start smashing the pipe!
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This reminds me of Andy's escape in Shawshank Redemption. Just wait for a good Thunderstorm before you start smashing the pipe!
Ha....I was thinking the same thing. ;D
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well its all out, capped at both ends. not working tomorrow, but tues the rest of the "crapy" soil has to go. then clean fill sand and pipe can be laid. the home owners are not happy about having portapottys.
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Could have dug em a nice latrine instead!
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Timothy, you are so thouth full to think of something like that.
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Timothy, you are so thouth full to think of something like that.
:)
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Could have dug em a nice latrine instead!
He did! What do you call a long trench with shit in the bottom?
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The first "LOL" of the day.
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He did! What do you call a long trench with shit in the bottom?
A good start at doing away with the current Congress? :o
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At least this shit washes off at the end of the day.
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well its almost 2... so far 21 yards of bad soil have been removed... about another 20 to go. all hand dug all into dump trailers. the guys are bitching( they are getting an extra $10/hour, bringing them close to $50, but still sucks)mainly at the guy that layed the pipe and water line right next too each other...
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close to $50, but still sucks)mainly at the guy that layed the pipe and water line right next too each other...
Isn't there a code that should prevent that happening?
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Isn't there a code that should prevent that happening?
only needs to be 18" from center to center. so its often in the same trench... no on my job sites unless it has to be... then again I often run a ditchwitch for gas,electric( when its not over head) and water so I can put them other places.
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I am still wondering why you had to dig out the mud and load it up. Does Kalifornia treat it as a hazardous waste?
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I am still wondering why you had to dig out the mud and load it up. Does Kalifornia treat it as a hazardous waste?
i am not in ka... in or and yes every where it should be treated as hazardous waste. you take it to the place that septic trucks dump. ( which is not the waste water treatment plant, its a flat basin where they let it dry out.)
on a side note my old wheel barrow tire fell apart( one of the 1st tools I bought, so 17 years old) ran to the local mega cool has every thing( but what you need) home store... both the ornage and the blue.
long store short you can buy a new wheel barrow for $5 less then buying the tire that fits mine. forget about getting just the tire and/or tube.
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You need to work in better states! Even in Blue Minnesota we can make a firm base and then backfill with that material. Also, you would not have been hand digging that much here. If someone had broken code and placed things that close together, it would have all been condemned, you could trench away, and lay all new at proper spacing.
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You need to work in better states! Even in Blue Minnesota we can make a firm base and then backfill with that material. Also, you would not have been hand digging that much here. If someone had broken code and placed things that close together, it would have all been condemned, you could trench away, and lay all new at proper spacing.
it was too code. besides when 4 of the 5 house holds you are trying to do the repair for are scum( aka lawyers) its best not to piss them off.
its also under a garage for part of the distance, which has to be under mined by hand. I also hate to break it too you, but by both national and int'l code you must use at least 6" of sand and clean fill.
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it was too code. besides when 4 of the 5 house holds you are trying to do the repair for are scum( aka lawyers) its best not to piss them off.
its also under a garage for part of the distance, which has to be under mined by hand. I also hate to break it too you, but by both national and int'l code you must use at least 6" of sand and clean fill.
Clean sewage soaked soil, no chemical or heavy metal, is still clean fill in most states. Here you must probe trench on sides and bottom for objects in both gas and electric, and gas must also receive a locating wire and both get ribbon in the trench.
Explain to me why there are a multitude of regulations for the last few feet of these lines, but the mains can be blind trenched, plowed, and directional bored. Why do we have septic system rules that change faster than you can get your system certified, but municipalities can dump contaminated water in the rivers and even get emergency permits to dump raw.
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ask your local building department if dirt that has been exposed to raw sewage for 17 years is legal for fill.
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I just finished several years on our utility commission. Our city is still completing projects I signed the bid acceptance and bonds for.
Parts of this include repair of sanitary and storm infiltration, repair and replacement of services to homes, and abandonment of the last several septic systems in the community. A new project set to start this fall is cleaning the treatment ponds. All removed material will either be added to the berms or spread on local farm fields, with the exception of one small area that will go as hazardous, because it is where the shot from our trap range falls.
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There is a debate going on here about using "bio-solids" on farms and gardens.
I'm not a gardener so it's never been of interest to me.
Don't know much beyond the fact that Asia has been using crap on rice fields for centuries.
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There is a debate going on here about using "bio-solids" on farms and gardens.
I'm not a gardener so it's never been of interest to me.
Don't know much beyond the fact that Asia has been using crap on rice fields for centuries.
Was into gardening for several years and Horse crap, cow crap and elephant crap were fine (elephant crap the best) but NEVER use human crap...they said.
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No manure from meat eaters is the rule of thumb. However, properly composted human waste is just as good and safe as any. I don't use it on our landscape, but here has been experimenting and demonstration projects where high rise office complexes have used gray water from a septic system in their building to water and provide nutrients to plants within the building - Most common I saw and read about was large atriums with planter boxes at each floor level ringing the walls with many windows that received a constant flow of gray water from the septic system. It circulated in a sandy soil mix with good drainage, and what little extra remained was pumped to a "green" rooftop.
My entire time, over 12 years, on the utility commission I questioned why we needed to discharge our water into the river. We are outgrowing out system, and deal with max limits for treatment. The only thing they test for is suspended solids, and we often fail due to algae growth. Rather than building a ten million dollar mechanical system, I pushed to purchase a 1/4 of land with hills and large flat bottom next to our ponds, operate the ponds as we do now, but pump the "clean" water to the hill tops where there would be another five acre pond. As this pond overflowed the water would run down the hillsides to the bottom, which would become a natural slough filter - just as nature has done since the beginning of time. For the one or two of you who agree with me, I have been told by our union employees (who make money operating our 12 million dollar reverse osmosis water treatment facility very poorly), our city engineer (who makes his living from a "small" retainer + a percentage of every dollar we spend on research, bidding and constructing items, and experts who make their living developing and selling waste water treatment systems that I am a total idiot.
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municipalities get to play by different rules. Having worked for them (sub) in more then 10 states, they do things that would get you shut down. If this job had been in ca I would have to had done a dye spike. 12" spike with hole in it, you hook up a bottle of dye too the top, wait 8 hours. Then excavate til you don't see dye. The project would also cost about 3x as much. Fill is going in now, then 6" of sand. Pipe should be in tomorrow. Putting the landscaping back is getting subbed out. I have a meeting with all the home owners on Wednesday where I get to hand them a invoice.
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You missed to part where I talked about the services and septic systems!
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we are not just talking about liquids, but solids as well.
septic systems get really strange when it comes to rules.
some areas won't even let you import soil/sand for the leach fields. in the serria foot hills I put it lots that were aerobic and had pumps/ bubblers in them.
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In tested and inspected.
Boy I wish there was a rock slinger truck local. This job screams for one. At 300k not worth buying one and startibg another business. Nor do I have the time. The bob cat is going to get a work out tomorrow.
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and its done.
the damage is $67k and change lol
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Geezus ! $67 K for what a bear does for free ?
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