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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: runstowin on August 29, 2008, 01:51:48 AM
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If this video doesn't make your blood boil you are comatose. http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/417.html
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Within mere days the nation will see what lessons were learned from Katrina, or not.
How 'bout this? High ground=good, below sea level=bad. Why set the stage all over again?
Mac.
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Well, they've been warned several days in advance (again) that a hurricane (Gustav) is possibly heading towards New Orleans.
Let's see how many stand around this time with their thumbs up their butts waiting on someone else to tell them what to do.
I know, let's wait till we neck deep and then try to figure out where to go.........
That being said, I pray for the safety of everyone involved on the gulf coast.
They are already raising gas by .20 overnight here in Ga in greedy anticipation.
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That site was a hoot! I especially like how it points to other sections of its self a reference. I need to go back to school and write some research papers using that technique. Ignorance and misinformation abound. Just one question for the folks: What is the responsibility of taxpayers in Montana, Washington, Alaska et. al. to pay for people who did not evacuate a city that actually sits below sea level? Could you please point to the part of our constitution that provides for that? There is a crude saying that intimates that defecation rolls downhill. The next time you hear that you can holler, "Bulldefecation!" and point to the Katrina whiners. Apparently in that example the poop was punted up hill and cleared both the local and state officials and landed right in the middle of the federal government (read you and me's) soup bowl. Another thing I thought was amusing was the last whiner. He was really worked up about Blackwater. The only mistake there was they were deployed to the wrong place. Ask the crime statistician in any place that took in New Orleans refugees.
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That site was a hoot! I especially like how it points to other sections of its self a reference. I need to go back to school and write some research papers using that technique. Ignorance and misinformation abound. Just one question for the folks: What is the responsibility of taxpayers in Montana, Washington, Alaska et. al. to pay for people who did not evacuate a city that actually sits below sea level? Could you please point to the part of our constitution that provides for that? There is a crude saying that intimates that defecation rolls downhill. The next time you hear that you can holler, "Bulldefecation!" and point to the Katrina whiners. Apparently in that example the poop was punted up hill and cleared both the local and state officials and landed right in the middle of the federal government (read you and me's) soup bowl. Another thing I thought was amusing was the last whiner. He was really worked up about Blackwater. The only mistake there was they were deployed to the wrong place. Ask the crime statistician in any place that took in New Orleans refugees.
One reason I put up this post was because I believe the Federal government should not have gotten involved in this disaster. iI too think it is wrong to take money from me to pay FEMA to make sure water and other supplies from private sources could not get to New Orleans. Actually I don't think this was a Federal matter at all.
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Now, don't get me wrong. I would never in a million years wish a hurricane, or any other devastation, on anyone. I felt bad for the good folks of Louisianna and everyone else involved, including here in Georgia, and we donated what we could afford to the Red Cross to help.
What get's me, and I may be skewed in my vision, is the attention the Federal gov't heaped on Louisianna after Katrina.
That same year, 4 hurricanes blasted the devil out of Florida, one right behind the other, and did billions in damage. The gov't declared a 'state of emergency' but mostly the home folks WHO LEFT BEFORE IT WAS TOO LATE, went back and cleaned up the mess and went on with their business. They got a lot of help from others but not much other than a few news reports and some politicians looking for photo-ops from the gov't. Nobody made a big fuss over the hurricanes that hit Texas either.
It's 3 years later and they're still going on and on about Katrina.
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Now, don't get me wrong. I would never in a million years wish a hurricane, or any other devastation, on anyone. I felt bad for the good folks of Louisianna and everyone else involved, including here in Georgia, and we donated what we could afford to the Red Cross to help.
What get's me, and I may be skewed in my vision, is the attention the Federal gov't heaped on Louisianna after Katrina.
That same year, 4 hurricanes blasted the devil out of Florida, one right behind the other, and did billions in damage. The gov't declared a 'state of emergency' but mostly the home folks WHO LEFT BEFORE IT WAS TOO LATE, went back and cleaned up the mess and went on with their business. They got a lot of help from others but not much other than a few news reports and some politicians looking for photo-ops from the gov't. Nobody made a big fuss over the hurricanes that hit Texas either.
It's 3 years later and they're still going on and on about Katrina.
Same way in Houston when Rita hit shortly after Katrina. The downtown area was flooded but the only deaths I heard about were in a bus accident (Fire) well outside the danger area.
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The Gulf Coast waits: Will it be another Katrina?
By STACEY PLAISANCE and BECKY BOHRER,
Associated Press Writer 11 minutes ago
NEW ORLEANS - With a historic evacuation complete, and gun-toting police and National Guardsmen standing watch over this city's empty streets, even presidential politics stood still Sunday while the nation waited to see if Hurricane Gustav would be another Katrina.
The storm was set to crash ashore midday Monday with frightful force, testing the three years of planning and rebuilding that followed Katrina's devastating blow to the Gulf Coast.
Painfully aware of the failings that led to that horrific suffering and more than 1,600 deaths, this time, officials moved beyond merely insisting tourists and residents leave south Louisiana. They threatened arrest, loaded thousands onto buses and warned that anyone who remained behind would not be rescued.
"Looters will go directly to jail. You will not get a pass this time," Mayor Ray Nagin said. "You will not have a temporary stay in the city. You will go directly to the Big House."
Col. Mike Edmondson, state police commander, said he believed that 90 percent of the population had fled the Louisiana coast. The exodus of 1.9 million people is the largest evacuation in state history, and thousands more had left from Mississippi, Alabama and flood-prone southeast Texas.
Louisiana and Mississippi changed traffic flow so all highway lanes led away from the coast, and cars were packed bumper-to-bumper. Stores and restaurants shut down, hotels closed and windows were boarded up. Some who planned to stay changed their mind at the last second, not willing to risk the worst.
"I was trying to get situated at home. I was trying to get things so it would be halfway safe," said 46-year-old painter Jerry Williams, who showed up at the city's Union Station to catch one of the last buses out of town. "You're torn. Do you leave it and worry about it, or do you stay and worry about living?"
Forecasters said Gustav was likely to grow stronger as it marched toward the coast with top sustained winds of around 115 mph. At 5 p.m. EDT Sunday, the National Hurricane Center said Gustav was a Category 3 storm centered about 215 miles southeast of the mouth of the Mississippi River and moving northwest near 18 mph.
Against all warnings, some gambled and decided to face its wrath. On an otherwise deserted commercial block of downtown Lafayette, about 135 miles west of the city, Tim Schooler removed the awnings from his photography studio. He thought about evacuating Sunday before decided he was better off riding out the storm at home with his wife, Nona.
"There's really no place to go. All the hotels are booked up to Little Rock and beyond," he said. "We're just hoping for the best."
There were frightening comparisons between Gustav and Katrina, which flooded 80 percent of New Orleans when storm surge overtook the levees. While Gustav isn't as large as Katrina, which was a massive Category 5 storm at roughly the same place in the Gulf, there was no doubt the storm posed a major threat to a partially rebuilt New Orleans and the flood-prone coasts of Louisiana and southeast Texas. The storm has already killed at least 94 people on its path through the Caribbean.
The storm could bring with it a storm surge of up to 14 feet and rainfall up to 20 inches wherever it hits. By comparison, Hurricane Katrina pushed about 25 feet of surge.
Mindful of the potential for disaster, the Republican Party scaled back its normally jubilant convention — set to kickoff as Gustav crashed ashore. President Bush said he would skip the convention all together, and Sen. John McCain visited Jackson, Miss., on Sunday as his campaign rewrote the script for the convention to emphasize a commitment to helping people.
Surge models suggest larger areas of southeast Louisiana, including parts of the greater New Orleans area, could be flooded by several feet of water. Gustav appears most likely to overwhelm the levees west of the city that have for decades been underfunded and neglected and are years from an update.
In the West Bank community of Harvey, Paul and Judy Ross were the last ones left on their street at 8 a.m. as he put the final boards covering the windows of his home as she loaded up the car. Their home flooded during Katrina when a nearby drainage canal overflowed as pumps failed, and levee work remains incomplete around the nearby Harvey Canal.
"We've had it up to here with New Orleans," the 56-year-old Ross said. "If we flood again, we're goners. I don't think we're coming back."
Even as they pressed to complete the evacuation, officials insisted there would be no repeat of the inept response to Katrina's wrath. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said search and rescue will be the top priority once Gustav passes — high-water vehicles, helicopters and fixed-wing aircraft, Coast Guard cutters and a Navy vessel that is essentially a floating emergency room are posted around the strike zone.
West of New Orleans in Houma, he wished passengers well as stragglers boarded buses for Shreveport and Dallas.
"I think for people who haven't left, they really are die-hards, because they're taking their lives in their hands," he said. "I can't see any reason why a person staring down the barrel of a Category 3 or Category 4 hurricane would want to see if they can try to outfox Mother Nature. That's taking an awful risk with yourself and your family."
Melissa Lee, who lives in Pearl River, a town near the boundary of Mississippi and Louisiana, was driving away to Florida Sunday. Before she left, she heard neighbors chopping down trees with chain saws, trying to ensure the tall pines that surrounded their homes wouldn't come crashing down.
"I sent my son out with a camera and said, `Go take pictures of our backyard. Because it's going to look different when we get back.'"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/gustav_gulf_coast;_ylt=AuDfADnk.ryqnsgjCQ_gcays0NUE
I wish everyone there safety from Gustav......looks like Hanna might be coming our way (Ga).
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I wish everyone there safety from Gustav......looks like Hanna might be coming our way (Ga).
Here in coastal NC, any storm presents lessons learned from the last one. I'm glad New Orleans is heeding the warnings, and the "system" for dealing with it has improved. I heard the strong stance from LEO's regarding those that don't evacuate this time, and the rampant looting won't occur again. I say, GOOD.
Some computer models have TS Hannah hitting anywhere between Savannah and the Outer Banks as a Cat 1, or strong TS.
Should be no problem, the storm and the potential for looting. We post big signs. :o ;D
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/looters.jpg)
My neighbor kept his sign from Floyd in 99, it said "wounded looters will be shot again."
I hope and pray for those medical, fire, LEO's, and National Guard personnel that have to stay.
Boy Scout motto applies, hopefully better this time.
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Of course you know that if Gustav turns out to be relatively tame (and I pray that it does), that the Bush administration is going to be pillaried for fear-mongering and usurping state's rights.
Yep, kind of a "damned if you do-damned if you don't" situation. There's always a spin to it.
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Sorry as soon as that guy started talking about Blackwater and completely pissing me off I stopped it.
I respect any man that makes the choice to work for company that does more to protect me and my rights than most of my government. Sorry but I will defend the operators of Blackwater till the day I die. If it wasnt for them I may still be on the 4th of July Bridge in Baghdad.
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Hey Ksail, that's just going to be one of those things we never know enough about because the media is so left wing and the govt. would like us to think just what they want us to think. YOU would know about this as much as anyone. To me, your opinion of Blackwater has the most credibility.
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I'm with Ksail on this one, backing Blackwater all the way until there is some element of proof.
At the height of the mess, I bought a Blackwater t-shirt and hat, pissed my so-called libertarian (read, liberal from public schools) son no end - blames Blackwater and Haliburton for all of our problems.
But then, I also just got a St. James the Moorslayer / Infidel (in arabic) t-shirt from Gabe Suarez. Just that kinda guy, I guess.
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Now I'm a little twisted. I'll go with Ksail on Blackwater, but Halliburton? Cheney's buddies have sucked so much of our money out of this there will never BE an accounting. What a setup. if there's any big behind the scenes conspiracy to this administration that's it- Cheney's buddies raping us over there.
Of course, it's a feeling- I have no knowlege. It's like when I think I'm going to hit my head on something, but then I usually do hit my head.
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You know what, if you live below sea level, in a area that histroically floods every year, your in an area where heavy rains/ winds happend regularly, your city needs pumps to keep the ground water out... maybe, just maybe, you should think about moving.
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Halliburton has been a gov. contractor for years and years, Slick Willy's Admin. used them several times in different ways. Bush the Elder, all the way back to Reagen, and even Carter the Useless. The Pres. doesn't select them , Gov. agencies do.
They do a lot more than just oil "stuff", they even have a "Circumferential Acoustic Scanning Tool" ???
Here's a list of products and services from their own site. If you scan through them they perform a multitude of stuff, not related to oil at all.
http://www.halliburton.com/ps/default.aspx?pageid=1
Cheney retired from Halliburton, and took his golden parachute and stock options just like any corporate exec. would do.
Don't hit your head! :o
I've been wanting to go to the Blackwater Range here in NC, it ain't cheap but it is awesome.
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Take me with you. I'm not a cheap date- I'll shoot up every bit of ammo I can get my hands on. But I DO eat a lot.
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The best hurricane recovery kit used here in coastal NC, was/is Hammers, nails, saws, and neighbors. No FEMA, no trailers, no prepaid debit cards used at strip clubs and shoe stores. Just neighbors helping eachother get through it.
3 years after Katrina, you don't hear about the tens of thousands in Mississippi, or Alabama, that had their livelihood "blown away".
Just poor old New Orleans. I think the French are laughing now. They sold that swamp land to the U.S., and outside of Mardi Gras, really good food and music, they don't have much else. (Football team) :P
Sept. 96, shook my world up, and was a direct hit 5 miles south of me in Wrightsville Beach. Water to the bottom of the STOP signs, no power for 2 weeks. My house was on 10 ft. stilts, and wasn't torn up except for some shingles and siding. Nat. Guard came by day and a half later, asked if we were physically OK, looked at us with our holsters on, and gave us some MRE's, and ice,and wished us the best. Took many a sponge bath with water heated off the grill, kept my small generator running a couple of items on demand; (coffee machine) ;), ....small fridge.
She was called Fran and she was a "bit**".
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/hurricane-fran-ir-landfall.gif)
Just left of the eyewall is Wilmington. We now may have Hannah, or Ike, or Josephine. Sounds like Sept. on the coast!
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Listening to Ray Nagin on the radio and the reporters I realized this morning that we have now created an entire city of entitlement. From here on out every time there's a storm, open up your wallets because New Orleans will be recieving a great big new welfare check. In the long run it will be cheaper to move all the buildings several hundred miles and start over.
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TWYACHT,
Same here in FL (at least my neck of the woods).
Hope those storms pass you by. If not, give us a yell if we can help!
Haz
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I bought a power inverter for my blender.
Mac.
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15 KW generator w/50 amp service!
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The best hurricane recovery kit used here in coastal NC, was/is Hammers, nails, saws, and neighbors. No FEMA, no trailers, no prepaid debit cards used at strip clubs and shoe stores. Just neighbors helping eachother get through it.
3 years after Katrina, you don't hear about the tens of thousands in Mississippi, or Alabama, that had their livelihood "blown away".
Just poor old New Orleans. I think the French are laughing now. They sold that swamp land to the U.S., and outside of Mardi Gras, really good food and music, they don't have much else. (Football team) :P
Sept. 96, shook my world up, and was a direct hit 5 miles south of me in Wrightsville Beach. Water to the bottom of the STOP signs, no power for 2 weeks. My house was on 10 ft. stilts, and wasn't torn up except for some shingles and siding. Nat. Guard came by day and a half later, asked if we were physically OK, looked at us with our holsters on, and gave us some MRE's, and ice,and wished us the best. Took many a sponge bath with water heated off the grill, kept my small generator running a couple of items on demand; (coffee machine) ;), ....small fridge.
She was called Fran and she was a "bit**".
+1 TW........
I Remember 1994 in my neck 'o the woods when Alberto hit Georgia. They called it the "100 Year flood". Alberto stalled right on top of the southern part of the state and sat there dumping over 24" of rain. Most of the southwest corner of the state was under water at one point from I-75 west. We took care of ourselves and neighbors for the most part. We didn't worry about looting. My friend was in the National Guard and they got called out to Albany, but had little trouble.
We use the Boy Scout plan.
Good luck with Hanna...and whatever else may head that way.
http://www.livevideo.com/video/202C8BC1F8284761843361D43007CC46/flood-of-the-century-in-albany.aspx