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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Rastus on October 15, 2016, 07:55:39 AM
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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/cia-prepping-possible-cyber-strike-against-russia-n666636 (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/cia-prepping-possible-cyber-strike-against-russia-n666636)
So the progressive, lying, idiot, lawyer-ridden Democratic prelude-to-oligarch rulers in Washington are, in the article in the posted link, saying that the CIA is preparing a covert (right, use that word once you talk about it...dummie) cyberstrike on Russia in retaliation for messing with the US Presidential elections.
Uncle Joe Biden was trotted out on this. Let's assume that they are correct in saying the retaliation is for the elections and nothing else. No doubt probes of US assets are initiated by the Russians...but that is not what the response here is for. The CIA response is reportedly for probing unsecured private servers (Hillary Rotten Clinton & the DNC) and dumping emails which exposed the liars (HRC & DNC) for what they are.
First, I doubt it was the Russians but maybe...go back to private unsecured servers and computers so really who was asking for it? So the incompetence (or in the case of HRC, I believe deliberately unsecured equipment to provide foreign access as payback for the $$$$'s coming into she and Bill) of the Democratic Party and their outrage over exposure is causing the US Government assets to be employed against a sovereign foreign nation because they are throwing a temper tantrum about being exposed as the dirty dogs they are.
Then there is the move to establish a no-fly zone in Syria because of the humanitarian aspects of Aleppo. Our bombs are better than their bombs....we have to do something because of the pictures. The whole Syria mess is just so much more of the same from this administration....remember the Line In The Sand the Mouth-In-Chief spoke of?
Essentially in Syria we are supporting Shia militias who are fighting the Islamic State (Sunnis). The militias we support are in Aleppo fighting the Sunnis in Aleppo and because we support the Kurds (our friends) we are supporting the Sunnis who are fighting the Shi'a in Aleppo...got it? But our friends the Saudi's are funding ISIL and the overthrow of Assad. We have friends fighting enemies and support enemies fighting friends so why doesn't the Middle East love us?
And now there are approximately 9,500 ISIL (Sunni) fighters in Mosul about to get overrun and it appears we are going to let them get away. Why, so that they can go to Syria and topple Assad. Who the heck are we manipulating/fighting now..why that would be Russian troops who will be facing the fleeing ISIL fighters...and so now it makes more sense why Russia is having the big nuclear drills and why we want the no-fly zone. So the terrorists we are sworn to be fighting to exterminate live so they can kill Russians and topple Assad for the Saudi's.
The lawyers who run this nation (in the ground) must think they are in a courtroom setting. That they can just issue a piece of paper and have the sheriff go pick someone up or stop something from happening by signing a piece of paper. Hey, the "police" will protect them nothing will happen (to them). That the rules they play by in the courtroom setting extend universally forever and will work against sovereign nations with nuclear weapons.
Not to be an alarmist...but I am alarmed. Are the progressives that scared of losing an election they would stage accusations against the Russians of election meddling and back it up with talk of a cyberstrike to divert attention from their dirty dealings...Yeah, I think so.
I wonder if the world will ever have the opportunity to fear "Trump's finger on THE button" because the clueless idiots (on both sides of the aisle) running things who fear losing power (i.e., the presidential election) are going to get us all killed before then.
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This is all very strange. I mean all of it.
1) What are they doing by telegraphing this? I guess as a warning to Putin. But wag your finger in his face and it could get bit off.
2) It's to convenient that ALL the blame is pointing at Russia. Not that they aren't, as are we, engaged in cyber spying. But really. Wouldn't they WANT Hillary as the next clueless President? I mean, donate to the HF and you can do whatever you want in Europe.
3) Russia cyber spying didn't warrant this severe a response until they started messing with Hillary.
4) ISIS/ISIL has no air force. So Russia put anti-aircraft missiles in Syria to protect that airspace from whom? The US?
I use the Miss Kitty barometer for alarm-ism. She said buy more ammo. Working on it.
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1) What are they doing by telegraphing this? I guess as a warning to Putin. But wag your finger in his face and it could get bit off.
2) It's to convenient that ALL the blame is pointing at Russia. Not that they aren't, as are we, engaged in cyber spying. But really. Wouldn't they WANT Hillary as the next clueless President? I mean, donate to the HF and you can do whatever you want in Europe.
3) Russia cyber spying didn't warrant this severe a response until they started messing with Hillary.
4) ISIS/ISIL has no air force. So Russia put anti-aircraft missiles in Syria to protect that airspace from whom? The US?
I use the Miss Kitty barometer for alarm-ism. She said buy more ammo. Working on it.
1. I think it is just to influence voters to vote for Hillary. I don't think the attacks on Trump are having the desired effect.
2. That's what I think.
3. Don't forget the DNC! Temper tantrums...throwing a fit but using it to get the voter's eye looking where the DNC wants it.
4. Yep. And the Israelis I suppose. They are wanting to protect their proxy assets supporting Assad and we want to protect our assets with our own no-fly.
I'd get some long-term food and other supplies as well as additional lead.
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To add a bit to the dilemma, a number of websites have noted that Putin has instructed Russian citizens to prepare for a nuclear event. They are to know where their fallout shelter is. They are to prepare medical kits. They should cache a food supply.
Now, that could be something as simple as Putin trying to look tough to his people. Or, it could be something much more sinister.
For those of us with a Christian orientation, we know that the final war will occur. We just can't be certain exactly when. Perhaps this is the build-up to that.
And if we needed any further proof that the end times are upon us, Bob Dylan just won the Nobel Prize for literature.
Buy more ammo.
Crusader Rabbit
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Buy more ammo.
Crusader Rabbit
Don't forget the dust/nurses masks so you don't breathe in particles and then some food. You can get a year supply of food for a family of 4 from Sam's Club for about a grand. You'll be eating food you'll really get sick of eating but that the guy next door will be more than willing to kill you for if he's hungry.
Send me your email addresses and I'll send back a spreadsheet of items and my short treatise on rice, beans and flour and calories to keep you alive.
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First off, Putin HATES the democrats, one of the few mutual interests the US and Russia shared was the fight against Islamic terrorism. Remember that whole Beslan,2 Chechen wars thing ? ISIS killed a couple Americans, they are on Russia's Southern border. The Democrats created ISIS and have consistently aided Islamic terrorism in Iran, and the Muslim Brotherhood, Syria has been a Soviet client state since the days of Nasser and the UAR in the 50's and Obama is actively helping Muslim terrorists try to overthrow him. While ISIS DOES have aircraft, several F-4 Phantoms, the Russian missiles are to deter our planes, he's trying to prevent another Libya.
Putin has stated recently that if Hillary is elected it will probably result in nuclear war. He has ordered all civilians and nonessential personnel to return to Russia and both Russia and China are re positioning forces, including missiles for an assault on the West, primarily England and the US.
So much for that "reset" button, Hillary must have made quite the impression in Putin's "inner sanctum".
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This is all very strange. I mean all of it. 1) What are they doing by telegraphing this? I guess as a warning to Putin. But wag your finger in his face and it could get bit off.
Remember when Trump brought this up at the last debate, and that bitch Raddatz started arguing with him, when he said how completely stupid it was?
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So much for that "reset" button, Hillary must have made quite the impression in Putin's "inner sanctum".
And the Saudi's are pushing to overthrow Assad and fight their war in Yemen. The rebels who fired missiles from Yemen at our destroyers are supplied by Iran whose missiles were supplied by China. Iran is our enemy, ISIS (funded by our friends, the Saudi's) is our enemy but we treat them like our friend by influencing Iraq to let them flee into Syria to help topple Assad which means they will be killing Russians.
Assad is Shia, but there "be" a lot of Sunnis in Syria (at lease before they tucked tail and left and invaded Europe). So the Sunni Saudis are supporting the Sunni ISIL terrorist to get rid of the Shia moslem Assad. Once that is done it all links up with Saudi and Iraq. The 90% or so Sunnis in the world go after Iran which is about 90-95% Shia and the Shia worldwide stronghold to settle once and (at least in the near term) forever what moslim is right.
This religious war has been brewing for centuries.
So we are supporting Sunnis (the Saudis, Iraqis, etc., i.e., the guys who carry bombs) vs. the Shia's (supported by Russia and China). By our support we are interested in moving into a unholy war between muslims with ourselves on one side, Russia and China on the other side.
The news media supports the "anti-war" progressive and tolerant Democrats who have further destabilized the Middle East. The media is run by progressive oligarch wannabes and their foot soldiers are mindless sycophants who lack the ability or desire to think on their own and regurgitate cute indignities and useless slogans that impress people at their parties.
The "truthful and peace loving Democrats" who are really progressive socialist/communist/oligarchs or oligarch wannabes are tolerant only of everything anti-American and who have just threatened, twice, the Russians with military action in Syria and on their own soil with a cyberstrike.
Once with a no-fly zone over Syria the Russians client state (i.e. their turf) which if they do nothing gets a lot of Russian soldiers killed and embarrasses the Russians in front of the world. Which by the way, our military leaders have said will directly lead to a conflict/war with Russia.
Secondly with trumped-up (excuse the pun) accusations of the Russians attempting to influence US elections in order to gain advantage over Trump who they are desperately afraid of losing the US Presidential election to.
What could possibly go wrong here?
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This AM I read that Russian diplomats are saying US/ Russian relations are at the lowest point since The early 70's.
It might be the best thing that could happen . Yesterday Bane shared a post on FB about "never trust anyone who's never been punched in the face" . Basiclly saying that some one who has never experienced violence/conflict/ challenge has no concept of things like honor, dignity, and determination.
Well, our grand parents had the Spanish flu, which killed more people than WWI, about 25% of the world population, our parents had the Depression, and WWII America hasn't been punched in the face since then, maybe it's time we were.
Certianly straighten out the snowflakes in their "safe spaces".
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This AM I read that Russian diplomats are saying US/ Russian relations are at the lowest point since The early 70's.
It might be the best thing that could happen . Yesterday Bane shared a post on FB about "never trust anyone who's never been punched in the face". Basiclly saying that some one who has never experienced violence/conflict/ challenge has no concept of things like honor, dignity, and determination.
Well, our grand parents had the Spanish flu, which killed more people than WWI, about 25% of the world population, our parents had the Depression, and WWII America hasn't been punched in the face since then, maybe it's time we were.
Certianly straighten out the snowflakes in their "safe spaces".
Exactly right. All of this foolishness we're going through now, got it's start back in 2008 when Obama said in some bull$h!t speech during his campaign, that he believed all of our international diplomatic problems could be solved with, "proper dialogue". We now see what all of his worthless lip service has gotten us. Obama reminds me of the nerd in the school yard who got his lunch money stolen by the bully every day.
Today it's no different. Except for the fact Putin is the bully, and Obama is still the little nerd no one respects. Now Hillary is worse because she's nothing more than a emotional bitch who gets rattled, and right away over reacts. The Secret Service has said in private she's all but a total nut case. The only woman leader who had the stones to lead was Margret Thatcher. She proved it in the Falkland Island's campaign. And Hillary is no Thatcher.
I'm starting to read now that a lot of Trump supporters believe, as does Trump himself, that the entire election is rigged. And many are talking of not taking his loss lying down. If he loses, it will most certainly be time to start cracking skulls. It's not as if we'll have anything to lose. This country will not survive 4 years of Hillary..... Let alone 8.
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Won't get the chance Bill, Putin already said Hillary would cause WWIII and has positioned his forces for it to happen before she even takes office.
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After reviewing what his nuclear forces have and what we have on the basis of treaty reporting I'd say for the first time in 100 years Russia can take us.
Having said that they don't want to get wasted either. However, a successful first strike on their part would do away with us as a real threat for a long time. I think it boils down to do they think Obama will retaliate or while away in indecision a half an hour and lose most of the assets to respond.
Or, as I alluded to earlier, the ruling idiot lawyers will think they are in some cosmic courtroom and believe they can dictate their will across borders into sovereign nations and start nuclear war that way.
My Treatise on Cheap Survival Food:
Somebody check my math and information inputs.
This is something I put together some time ago. I pulled this from several sources to get the planned amounts. You can feed a family of four or five for a year for around $1,250 (the prices in the spreadsheet are from 2011) or less. It will get really boring, but it will keep you going. This information could make the difference of having regular meals or not. There are things you can add not currently in the spreadsheet. Freeze dried meats, eggs & sausage, onions, bell pepper, etc...that kind of thing to spice things up a bit. Not a lot...just a little to make it more interesting.
1 lb dry rice = 2-1/3 cups, therefore 1 lb dry rice approximately 1,635 calories. Enough to keep you going for one day in calories with a little to spare if you want to get out of your chair and look out the window. So, a 50 lb sack has 116.5 cups in it…or 81,750 calories. Subsistence is 1,200 calories whilst wasting away so count that as a minimum so about 68 days per person per 50 lb bag of rice. I would say make it a 60 day supply per person per 50 lbs. A person needs, therefore, 300 lbs of rice to live for one year eating rice three time a day. 200 lbs per year eating it twice a day..
½ cup of Pinto beans is 115 calories…about right for a meal. So, for lunch and supper 1 cup per day pinto beans adds 230 calories on top of the rice and adds protein. But a ½ lb of pinto beans is 1.14 cups so let’s say we use ½ lb per day and that boosts the calories about 270 a day or 135 per meal. So, for a month eating beans twice a day you will need 15 lbs of beans, or about 180 lbs per year per person.
Recap: Two meals rice and beans per day is 800 calories of rice and 270 calories of beans requiring yearly 200 lbs rice and 180 lbs beans. Nice ratio…round up on beans maybe.
So, starting out a family of five needs 1,000 lbs of rice and 900 lbs of beans to meet 2/3’rds of their daily subsistence level.
Now for breakfast. 160 calories per biscuit and plan for two, bake 12. That’s two cups flour, ½ cup shortening and some salt, baking powder/soda, etc. A person for a family of 5 get’s 380 calories a day splitting 12 biscuits 5 ways. So…you’ll need 145 cups of flour and 26 cups of shortening per person per year. Four cups equals one pound so a person needs 36.25 lbs of flour a year. One lb of Crisco is 2-1/3 cups so…11.2 lbs of Crisco per year per person. A family of 5 needs 181.25 lbs of flour and 56 lbs of Crisco a year.
One person for one year: 200 lbs rice, 180 lbs beans, 36.25 lbs four, 11.2 lbs of Crisco
Breakfast : 384 Calories
Lunch: 535 Calories
Supper: 535 Calories
Total for the day: 1,454 Calories. You can make it on that. Nothing extra for activity, mostly just sitting around calories.
Cooked Rice Calories (white, long grain, regular):
* 3.5oz (100gr) – 130 rice calories
* 1 cup (158 gr) – 205 rice calories
Raw Rice Uncooked Calories (white, long grain, regular):
* 3.5oz (100gr) – 360 rice calories
* 1 cup (195 gr) – 702 rice calories
**** I have a spreadsheet with a lot of items and prices from Sams I'll send it to you just pass on your email address. ****
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You won't prosper or even survive well with none of the essential proteins and fats found in grass fed beef or corn fed if that is all you can get.
They can be found it some vegetables, but not easily.
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That's right Solus. But cheap is the issue on this one. I have an elderly friend who survived the Nazi's in Yugoslavia on an 1,100 calorie a day diet. This gives you a bit more and, of course, you'd want to have vitamins and something more than listed here. How much protein in those beans?
Some people look at the costs on prep food and give up. I understand that. This is quite economical and basic and gives a person hope to have something more than rank starvation to stare at. Having canned tuna, chicken, corned beef, etc. will go a long way with this. The tactical bacon that's sold will flavor up this dreary diet quite a bit as well. Some bread flour, yeast, etc. the same along with canned or powdered butter, etc. Now a couple of hundred bucks on freeze dried meats in cans that lasts 20 years or more to supplement this and you have a pretty good basis to ride out a year while preparing for the next year.
Like I said, I have a Sam's list that has a few other essentials on it. However, flour, rice, beans, Crisco and salt go a long, long way for the calories you must have.
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It just isn't the right kind of protein in beans.
Look into some long term containers of beef, chicken, pork and turkey.
Toss some in those beans and you will not only survive, you will be more functional both physically and mentally.
Maybe take a look at this link..
https://authoritynutrition.com/how-much-protein-per-day/
It gives some numbers and also speaks to why animal protein is so important. It also has a link on how to manage better with no animal protein.
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Just remember, Russia and China (don't forget China ) don't have to beat our military like WWII, they have to beat our gutless pussy leadership like Vietnam.
If Hillary is elected we're f#cked.
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It just isn't the right kind of protein in beans.
If you add rice to those beans you get a complete protein--boring after a few days, but complete.
FWIW,
Crusader Rabbit
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First phase of the cyberstrike got launched.
Ecuadorian embassy in London lost internet access.
Assange is offline.
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In 1985 we bought our first computer and software packages for the farm. It was a 286 processor, and the four specialized programs we purchased for accounting, swine breeding and finishing (including feed rations monitoring), crop production, and all equipment maintenance, and livestock and grain inventories, were contained on one 5 1/4" floppy disk each. I asked at that time, "What could possibly go wrong with relying on 100% electronic for all of our information, and I relied heavy on our printer, and two four drawer and two two drawer filing cabinets.
Over the years I have not gained confidence, and with each increase in our reliance on the magic system, I tighten my tinfoil hat.
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It's all a bunch of horseshit designed to distract you from what is really going on!
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If you add rice to those beans you get a complete protein--boring after a few days, but complete.
FWIW,
Crusader Rabbit
Not being in the health profession, I am not sure what a complete protein contains. From my reading it seems that the essential amino acids are the important items.
Can you supply a reference so i might learn about this?
Here is a link that contains a chart of the important amino acids and the best vegetable sources for them. They did not include rice and the only beans on the list are kidney beans but they are good for most of the amino acids.
http://www.nomeatathlete.com/vegetarian-protein/
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Not being in the health profession, I am not sure what a complete protein contains. From my reading it seems that the essential amino acids are the important items.
Can you supply a reference so i might learn about this?
Here is a link that contains a chart of the important amino acids and the best vegetable sources for them. They did not include rice and the only beans on the list are kidney beans but they are good for most of the amino acids.
http://www.nomeatathlete.com/vegetarian-protein/
There are 7 or 9 essential amino acids we need as human units.
What rice is low on, the beans make up for and vica versa = complete protein...
Clip: http://greatist.com/health/complete-vegetarian-proteins
One of the simplest, cheapest, and vegan-est meals in existence is also one of the best sources of protein around. Most beans are low in methionine and high in lysine, while rice is low in lysine and high in methionine. Put ‘em together, and whaddaya got? Protein content on par with that of meat. Subbing lentils or chickpeas for beans produces the same effect. These meals are a great way to load up on protein and carbohydrates after an intense workout.
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Thanks, Timothy. That is the information I needed to see.
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Good thing I like black beans and rice. Better stock up on salsa.
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Good thing I like black beans and rice. Better stock up on salsa.
The Cubans called that dish moros y Cristianos or moors and Christians, meaning blacks and whites. That's very un-PC these days.
You can up the calorie count and improve the flavor by adding some olive oil to the mix. I cook my black beans with cumin, garlic and a little oregano. Chopped onions are served at table for those who don't want to kiss anyone after dinner.
And a hint for preppers, both garlic and onions are easy to grow and improve the heck out of most veggies and meat dishes.
Crusader Rabbit
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You can up the calorie count and improve the flavor by adding some olive oil to the mix. Crusader Rabbit
Make sure you're well stocked with toilet paper!
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Make sure you're well stocked with toilet paper!
That's much less of a problem up here, we have tree's instead of cactus. ;D
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That's much less of a problem up here, we have tree's instead of cactus. ;D
Just make sure you can identify poison ivy!
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Just make sure you can identify poison ivy!
Ouch! Of course it wouldn't be the first time that has happened.
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Yup
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That makes me itchy just lookin' .... 8)
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That makes me itchy just lookin' .... 8)
I don't know. That might scratch another sort of itch! :D
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Leaves of three leave it be ! LOL
Or green skin. LOL
I suspect that even poison ivy wouldn't be as bad as prickly pear. :D
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Doing what we do best. ;)
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I hate it when there is a new post and I come to check it out and it is not to a thread drift I was interested in. ;D ;D
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I think we've out done our selves this time, going from impending WWIII to wiping your butt with cactus.
The part that stinks is that some of the best information is lost in totally unrelated threads.
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I think we've out done our selves this time, going from impending WWIII to wiping your butt with cactus.
The part that stinks is that some of the best information is lost in totally unrelated threads.
This is true. I seem to remember a lot of threads..but you seem to remember more.
If you have any spare time maybe you can build a Thread Drift X-Reference ;D ;D
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I didn't start the drift, guys...
I just put it into perspective... Sometimes, poison ivy can be deceiving... LOL
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I just search the term I'm looking for, lie, "stainless steel tumbling media".
Sometimes it works, some times not.
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I just search the term I'm looking for, lie, "stainless steel tumbling media".
Sometimes it works, some times not.
Yeah, I noticed years ago.......many times if you just hit the advanced search button, with the same parameters, it'll pop up what you're looking for.
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Right now in GA the leaves are falling off the trees. I'll check back on this thread in a day or so.
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Right now in GA the leaves are falling off the trees. I'll check back on this thread in a day or so.
I know, right?
With all this wind today, we have leaves and nuts falling everywhere.