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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: MikeBjerum on January 20, 2017, 12:16:06 PM
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This will be an unpopular comment with some, but here it goes:
I watched the ceremony and much of what is happening. I give Pres. BHO credit for his professionalism and respect. Michelle was her typical snitty self, and Biden was full of disrespect. The constant talking during the ceremony, which is his patter, showed total disrespect to our nation and the process. The maturity that Pres. BHO showed as Pres. DJT ripped so much of what has happened in our government and nation over the last decades and escalated in the past eight years.
I just hope that Pres. BHO continues his respect and honors the transfer in the coming days, and that his wife and V.P. fade away.
By the way, where were the Obama girls today?
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Finally we're rid of that giant sore called Obama! Now comes the healing.
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The only thing that could have made it better would have been to have a taxi waiting for obummer and it to take him to the Greyhound Bus Terminal instead of the helocopter.
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When Ike took office Truman loaded the luggage and Bess in his V-8 Ford and headed off to Missouri.
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They said Biden was taking the AMTRACK back to Delaware.
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M58, I noted the same thing to my wife when we watched the ceremony on DVR (we had to be away at lunch) that BHO was unusually respectful (I guess why shouldn't he be, he's had his eight year vacation).
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Herman Cain here in Atlanta was running a re-mix of the old TV sitcom, The Jefferson's, on his radio show today.
I don't have all the lyrics but it goes something like:
Movin' on out. Of the White House. To a multi-million dollar mansion in DC.
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BHOe is a sneak. He didn't do anything today to appear "above it all" after Trump gutted him, Bush, Clinton, Democrats and Republicans.
He's a sneak. He will run his mouth when he is around a lot of people who like their ears tickled and think his BS is cute.
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Obama is through. His words are hollow, and his party is weak, rudderless, and broken. They'll shove a microphone in his face when he surfaces on a golf course somewhere. But his words will have no effect. Especially when Trump starts showing positive results. By the time Trump's first 100 days are over, Obama will be foolish to try and degrade him. He will only succeed in making him and his, "legacy" look even worse by bringing attention to it.
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Bill t is naive to think Obama is gone just because his party is lame, his policies rejected and his legacy in ruins. We can't even get rid of that pissant jimmy carter
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Bill t is naive to think Obama is gone just because his party is lame, his policies rejected and his legacy in ruins. We can't even get rid of that pissant jimmy carter
And just who has Carter influenced politically, since he retired to raise peanuts and houses for the poor? The man has a hard enough time walking from place to place. People like Obama are completely powerless to influence Trump's policies and leadership. Or the people who voted him in. If he couldn't stop Trump on the campaign trail, when he was occupying the White House, he sure as hell won't stop him now on the golf course.
Add to that he has all but destroyed his own party politically. The Democrats have lost over 1,000 seats in Federal, state, and local politics since he took office 8 years ago. If the lost, directionless Democrats want to keep looking to him for more of the same, God help them. In that regard he'll be a Godsend.
It's the same with that completely bat $h!t crazy Pelosi. Another elite leftist who worked hand and hand with Obama to put them on the Kamikaze course they are now on. And what do they do? They keep her on in a position of "leadership" in their battered and bruised party. As bad as the Republican establishment is, they are smart enough to let go of the Bush's, as far as any source of political direction. After losing 2 straight Presidential elections with McCain and Romney, even they recognized Jeb as nothing but a political boat anchor.
With the possible exception of far left "news" outlets like MSNBC, (who have a microscopic audience), the country is finished with socialist preaching politicians. Obama has been overrated since he started his political career in Bill Ayers living room back in Chicago. Some may have liked his "cool" personality. But his policies, along with his, "leadership" have been solidly rejected. As of yesterday he's nothing but a political paper tiger, who is good for 30 seconds of filler on slow news nights.
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Bill it's not over. Even if Trump does all he said times 2 there will be those stuffing their mouths and pockets who would say that Hillary would have done it better. There are those who, if they lose their luxurious lifestyles, will lie in wait to recover their ill gotten wealth.
Trump has a tall order. He drew a line yesterday and was as polite as one could be about it. He said all of the politicians in DC are corrupt. He needs a Congress to enact his vision...one of the things going on is delegitimizing his voters which makes it easier for the congressmen to discount the anger back home. Once the congressmen aren't scared of the hometown voter it's easy for them to blow off the substance Trump's initiatives.
Trump needs some success and more than that he needs the grass roots to throw the bums out. The people need to drain the swamp from the bottom up...to be successful it cannot be from the top down.
In the early '90's I was on a proposal team for a government contractor and spent some time on the beltway writing part of the eventually successful proposal. It was an eye opening event to see where all of the money was. I can only imagine how bad it is now.
There is are powers and principalities lined against Trump and us. It's only just begun.
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It's never "over". With that said the Democrats are going to have to abandon many of their political planks in their platform. AND secure new leadership to take them in a more sellable direction. Socialism isn't cutting it with the American people. I don't see them doing either any time soon. Especially after 8 years of failed policies. As I said, they're doubling down on the "leaders" who got them where they are now.
They are immune to the saying, "When you find yourself in a hole.... Stop digging." They can't. It took the Republicans 8 years to come up with a viable alternative to Obama. Which was Trump. And he faced an uphill battle all the way from his own people to get there. Now the Democrats are going to have to face the fact the people no longer want what they're trying to sell them. They under estimated, and abandoned the working middle class. Who were the backbone of their party for generations. They thought they could all be replaced with left wing radicals, wetbacks and minorities. They saw where that got them. And they won't win them back with more socialism.
Now they're faced with charting a completely new course with old, beaten, losing leadership. That's the equivalent of giving the Captain of the Titanic a raise, and a newer, bigger ship.... (Had he lived). Like alcoholism, the first step in recovery is to admit you have the problem. The Democrats have yet to do that. And it's doubtful they will any time soon. In the mean time, Trump will keep steam rolling along. Nothing converts people to your side like success.
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Pres. BHO is not gone! Pres. Carter left office, and, after a respectful quiet time, went into humanitarian work. He did it privately, and he was called on by different administrations from both parties. He was also called by other organizations and nations. BHO has carefully crafted and built his circle. He has power and influence within the United Nations. Pres. BHO will be spreading his ideology of a one world government outside of the sphere of the United States. His supporters will praise him, and the world leaders of like mind will embrace him and view it as the "real American view."
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Democrats have been pushing the same agenda since they fought for slavery. Since even before they were an actual party.
Whether promoting slavery, or so called "social programs", the messae has been the same, "Vote for me and live off some one ese's labor".
They may try to repackage it but they will never change.
They always have been and always will be the Francophile party of Hegelian humanism.
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BHO has carefully crafted and built his circle. He has power and influence within the United Nations. Pres. BHO will be spreading his ideology of a one world government outside of the sphere of the United States. His supporters will praise him, and the world leaders of like mind will embrace him and view it as the "real American view."
There was talk of him wanting to be Sec Gen of the UN. But two flys in the ointment here, both could be overcome though. 1) Any Security Council member could veto the nomination. 2) Custom has it, not a hard fast rule, that the SG can not be from a Security Council nation. Remembering that Trump will appoint the UN rep very soon.
From Wikipedia
Article 97 of the United Nations Charter determines that the Secretary-General is "appointed by the General Assembly upon the recommendation of the Security Council." As the recommendation must come from the Security Council, any of the five permanent members of the Council can veto a nomination. Most Secretaries-General are compromise candidates from middle powers and have little prior fame. Unofficial qualifications for the job have been set by precedent in previous selections. The appointee may not be a citizen of any of the Security Council's five permanent members.
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...that the SG can not be from a Security Council nation.
OH WAIT. Could Obama produce a Kenyan birth certificate?
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Think Obama would get the Russian vote ?
OH WAIT. Could Obama produce a Kenyan birth certificate?
Probably, he managed to produce a couple of US ones.
98-1 Mad Dog is in
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OH WAIT. Could Obama produce a Kenyan birth certificate?
It isn't the Kenyan Birth Certificate he needs. It is the renouncing of U.S. Citizenship that got him into foreign universities that will cover it. I gave up this crap long ago, because we let his supporters make fools of us over it while not simply answering the questions. But, the evidence is still there.
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Democrats have been pushing the same agenda since they fought for slavery. Since even before they were an actual party.
Whether promoting slavery, or so called "social programs", the messae has been the same, "Vote for me and live off some one else's labor".
They may try to repackage it but they will never change.
They always have been and always will be the Francophile party of Hegelian humanism.
Tom,
I agree with you 100% on what the liberal Democrats want in their platform. The reality is that it's completely non sustainable. Trying to create a society of leeches that feed off the hard work of others can never be accomplished, regardless of how you try to package it. Any more than a single swimmer can save 10 people who are drowning. We're seeing it all over Europe, with the massive debt that's been created by all of these socialist governments like Greece, Italy, France, and Spain. All of which are on the verge of economic collapse. And right here in our own country with Obama adding more debt in 8 years, than all the other 43 Presidents that preceded him. All with no improvement. And ending up leaving the country in worse shape then when he started.
This is a bit like a part time McDonalds worker talking about buying a new Cadillac. It will never happen regardless of how much they talk about it. And every economic attempt to make it happen will end in disaster. More and more people have seen how this type of government and society is both unachievable and completely unsustainable. All that are left to push it are the extreme, far left loons of the party. They are the one's currently running the Democratic Party in this country, and they are failing miserably. And it will only get worse. And Trump is the perfect guy to prove it to the remainder of these assholes who refuse to believe it can't happen.
Look at Madonna yesterday. This is a 50+ year old woman who made a direct, violent threat talking about, "blowing up the White House". These people are turning into anarchists because they have become so desperate. Their entire agenda has failed, along with their ability to elect people who they want to push it. I wouldn't be surprised if she was paid a visit by the Secret Service, or the FBI. Making direct, violent threats against the government isn't taken lightly. Especially with all of the terrorism going on worldwide, and all of the controversy surrounding Trump in the last several weeks since the election. If anything they can make a perfect example of her. Every time she farts, there is a camera nearby to record it.
Compare the Democrats today to the same party under JFK. (Who was a gun collector and a NRA Life Member by the way). They could all be classified as moderate to conservative Republicans by today's political standards. They have gone completely off the rails, as their party continues to disintegrate before their very eyes. And they're only making it worse. They could save it if they changed direction. They can't and they won't. They'll keep doubling down on the disastrous antics and policies that got them where they are today. If there ever was a political party in self destruct mode, this is it. Nothing left to do but make the popcorn.
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I've said it before, if JFK came back and said "Ask not what your country can do for you..." the dems would shoot him in the head again.
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I've said it before, if JFK came back and said "Ask not what your country can do for you..." the dems would shoot him in the head again.
They are a party that cannot learn from their own mistakes. The last economically successful President they had was Clinton. They've been sinking ever since. Even he started out too far left. That ended when he lost both Houses, after ramming both the Assault Weapons Ban through, and supporting the Brady Law, along with it's passage. He then dropped gun control like a hot brick, changed to a more center right position, and had a successful Presidency, sex scandals and all. He reduced Welfare, and the economy boomed almost immediately. The Dow rose from 3310.00 to 10,940.50, a total of 230.5% from when he took office, to when he left.
I'm not saying it's directly because of his policies, but he was the last Democratic President to adjust to the right with positive results. Even today he has called Obama Care, "The craziest thing I've ever seen!" Instead of embracing his political style and success, the Democrats have rejected him, and want even more of Obama. Which is all his wife was, along with her screaming acute liberalism all the way. If they were the one's who truly killed Kennedy in the 60's, their constituents, along with Obama and Hillary, have murdered their entire party in the new millennium.
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Clinton wasn't "economically successful".
He benefitted from 12 years of Reagan and Bush and having his budget controlled by Republicans.
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Clinton wasn't "economically successful".
He benefitted from 12 years of Reagan and Bush and having his budget controlled by Republicans.
Perhaps, but he benefitted from it. In politics perception is everything. Clinton was and is perceived as "successful". It happened when he was sitting in the chair. That's all people remember. You still have people who credit Roosevelt's "New Deal" for getting us out of the Great Depression. When it was in fact WW II.
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Actually it was the car makers buying up all the local transit systems, forcing people to buy cars.
It was one very important point in "Who Framed Roger Rabbit".
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BillT touched on something important that we have lost. Traditionally wars put our nation back in order. We came together as a unit to support and defend, and we sacrificed to get through it. What would happen if we faced the rationing and change in product availability we did during WWII and all wars prior. Since 1950, we have not come together as a nation in support of the common good, and we are enough generations down the road that most do not even begin to understand what it means to serve the greater good.
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The millennial's have all been indoctrinated to think there is no war necessary enough to fight. If Hitler had rose to power today, we would all be speaking German. On the plus side there would be no Democrats, because there would be no minorities to support the party.
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My wife's family is Mennonite. The emigrated from Friesland (now Poland) after having lived under Russian rule. They fled leaving everything behind that they could not carry while literally running on foot.
The Mennonites are pacifists and believe in non-resistance. One Sunday noon when the in-laws were all home and at our house for dinner, some in my wife's generation were ripping Pres. GHWB over his decisions on the Persian Gulf. Father-in-law, in his typical quiet manor, slowly and lowly said that there comes a time, Hitler HAD to be stopped, and what is happening over there today is a sin that must be addressed.
Father-In-Law did not serve in WWII, including any alternative service like his brothers did, because he was the youngest of 13 children, and in an era of labor intensive farms with no machinery he was waived to stay home and operate the farm. He often shared about what it took to increase production in that time to support the world wide effort. He also talks of going without so the soldiers would have something, and doing anything and everything to keep equipment working, because farm equipment was hard to come by at that time. While some complained about black outs for security, he said it was a non-issue for them, because they had no electricity and not enough "oil" ration to waste on lanterns in the house when the animals needed care.
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BillT touched on something important that we have lost. Traditionally wars put our nation back in order. We came together as a unit to support and defend, and we sacrificed to get through it. What would happen if we faced the rationing and change in product availability we did during WWII and all wars prior. Since 1950, we have not come together as a nation in support of the common good, and we are enough generations down the road that most do not even begin to understand what it means to serve the greater good.
What party is ALWAYS the one leading the "anti war" movement, or obstructing the actual solving of international problems like Iran or N Korea. ?
And it dates back to the very roots of the party in 1812.
And which party has caused most of our wars by allowing minor problems to fester and grow, or doing the wrong thing ?
Just saying.