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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: PegLeg45 on September 04, 2008, 05:50:55 PM
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Love 'em or hate 'em....here's why I don't use them any more.
Thought I had removed them from all my 1911's long ago until I grabbed one of my old Bullseye guns to take it down and wipe and lube it.
Found this shok-buff in there.
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I use them only in my full-size alloy frame. I never had one fail one but maybe the black rubber kind I use is tougher. I just checked and it's showing signs of impact and seems to be getting stiffer, maybe from solvent and oil. Time to change it before it gets brittle. Thanks for the heads up PegLeg.
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I know the Wilson ones I have specifically say to replace them around at 1000 Rounds. I have forgotten to and left them in longer but not to long. My complaint with them is the 1911 ones are ina package of 6 for $7 and the Glocks (that I shoot more and have two) are singles for $10
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Yes, long term storage and solvents and oils could have been the issue.
Thanks for bringing that up.
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Love 'em or hate 'em....here's why I don't use them any more.
Thought I had removed them from all my 1911's long ago until I grabbed one of my old Bullseye guns to take it down and wipe and lube it.
Found this shok-buff in there.
Same here. I started to have FF, FE on both my 5" and 6" 1911's. I was using reloads of mine. Someone at the club told me to take the shok-buffs out and the problem went away.
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There are similar "factory" buffers in my Marlin Camp 9. They crumble after so many years and rounds. I bought extra after market ones that are suppose to last longer.
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I also use a buffer in my late 70s Ruger 10/22. It's a solid rubber "dowel rod" that replaces the steel pin. So far, so good. The constant batterring of the steel pin in the alloy reciever egged out the holes after 20 years. It doesn't seem to be affected by gun cleaning chemicals yet but that's another thing I need to check on. If it fails I don't know what will happen. This thread may save a bunch of us trouble with rubber buffers.
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I have used the Blackjack buffers in my Marlin Camp. Made of Delrin and they don't seem to have the crumble effect of the factory stuff. Was wondering if anyone has used the Ace 1911 buffer system?
http://www.acecustom45s.com/guiderods.htm
Links below to both the Dupont page on Delrin (pretty impervious to solvents - used in car fuel systems) and Blackjack (they make buffers for some gnarly full auto stuff also).
http://www2.dupont.com/Plastics/en_US/Products/Delrin/Delrin.html
http://www.blackjackbuffers.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=65&sort=20a&page=2
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I know the Wilson ones I have specifically say to replace them around at 1000 Rounds. I have forgotten to and left them in longer but not to long. My complaint with them is the 1911 ones are ina package of 6 for $7 and the Glocks (that I shoot more and have two) are singles for $10
I forgot to mention in my original post that they were Wilson Shok Buffs.
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Don't use em, nor full length guide rods, nor curb feelers etc., Old John Mose knew what he was doing so I a mere mortal don't try to muck up what he built. Remember reliability over all other considerations. I don't see that using shock buffs make the weapon more reliable. Just the opinion of one old Cop.
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I know some people still love 'em. I don't have a 1911 anymore so I decided to give them away at the department break room. I put a sticky note on the bag "free to a good home." I turned around to get a pop out of the machine and they were gone. ;D
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Shok-buffs + my Para = FF. Unfortunate, but true. :(