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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Big Frank on November 18, 2017, 12:37:17 PM
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The new Tesla Roadster does 0 to 60 mph in 1.9 seconds (0.4 seconds less than Dodge Demon), 0 to 100 mph in 4.2 seconds (0.9 seconds less than Dodge Demon), 1/4 mile in 8.9 seconds (0.75 seconds less than Dodge Demon), and has a top speed of over 250 mph (more than 80 mph faster than Dodge Demon's electronically limited 168 mph). That's the base model and there may be a faster version coming later. BTW the Tesla Roadster seats 4, and the Dodge Demon comes with only a driver's seat standard to reduce weight. Passenger seats are an option for $1 apiece.
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Too bad the Tesla is designed and produced by an egomaniacal narcissistic nut bag that thinks that Skynet is reality!
Musk is fargin nuts...and according to his exe’s an asshole!
No, not a Mopar guy... ;)
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I think I'll take a Demon & Hellcat for the price of a Tesler.
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I think I'll take a Demon & Hellcat for the price of a Tesler.
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Durn right!
Got to slam the throttle on a Hellcat a few years back!
Sent shivers up my spine..,
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Owned a car that shut down the ignition at 136mph...
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My truck will go 99 mph but not 100, and I have no idea what 250+ would be like. The Tesla Roadster will outrun a jet taking off, so I'm sure it would be an experience to remember. It's the first production car to do 0-60 in (barely) under 2 seconds. Anything that takes twice as long to do 0-60 is still fast.
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Heck, my 2L turbo does 0-60 in just over 6 seconds!
Fast enuf...
I did a buck forty on a Kawi 900 back in the seventies! Scared my 17 yo ass silly!
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The new Tesla Roadster does 0 to 60 mph in 1.9 seconds (0.4 seconds less than Dodge Demon), 0 to 100 mph in 4.2 seconds (0.9 seconds less than Dodge Demon), 1/4 mile in 8.9 seconds (0.75 seconds less than Dodge Demon), and has a top speed of over 250 mph (more than 80 mph faster than Dodge Demon's electronically limited 168 mph). That's the base model and there may be a faster version coming later. BTW the Tesla Roadster seats 4, and the Dodge Demon comes with only a driver's seat standard to reduce weight. Passenger seats are an option for $1 apiece.
But compare the price. The Tesla is $250,000.00. And good luck getting one. You can get a Hellcat or a Demon for about $85K.... Or less. At most any Chrysler / Dodge dealership. And don't forget Chrysler is surviving on it's own. Tesla would have boarded up the windows by now without government subsidizing.
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99% of drivers would probably not be able to handle any of these HP autos. Myself included...
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electric cars do have 100% tongue from the get go.
I may have my actors mixed up, but I seem to remember Tim Alan told Leno that Tim's mother could out drag Jay in his 600hp crate stock car. Turns out Tim's mother had a Tesla. And yeah, Jay ate her dust.
I don't know why, nostalgia maybe, but I want a shift car. Not many to be found anymore.
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The base model Tesla Roadster is $200,000 and the Dodge Demon is $85,000 to a little over $86,000 depending on where you get the prices. So the Tesla is about 2 2/3 the price of the Demon. I can't afford either one but the people who can afford the fastest aren't likely to settle for second best.
The following list is a breakdown of how Dodge engineers reduced the curb weight of the 2018 Demon.
Removed front passenger seat and passenger seatbelt.
Removed rear bench seat, seatbelts, restraints, and front and rear floor mats.
Removed 16 Harman Kardon audio speakers, factory subwoofer, amplifier, and all electrical wiring.
Removed rear trunk deck lid cover trim, trunk carpeting, and spare tire cover.
Used smaller, hollower front and rear sway bars.
Removed mastic, body deadeners, insulators, and foam.
Used lightweight, all-aluminum four-piston front and rear brake calipers and 360 mm (14 in) front and rear two-piece brake rotors.
Installed lightweight aluminum front and rear alloy wheels and open-ended front and rear wheel lug nuts.
Replaced power-tilting and telescoping steering column with manually-tilting and telescoping steering column.
Removed front and rear ParkSense parking sensors and ParkSense front and rear park sensor module.
I personally wouldn't want a noisy, one seat car with no stereo system, that needs 100+ octane racing fuel that's impossible to find in some places. I live in a fairly large city of over 100,000 people and would have to leave the city to find a Sunoco that sells racing fuel. The good news would be that when I drive north a couple of hours on vacation I could get it there if I needed it. But a car that I could drive around town with a few friends in it, listening to my music that I never leave home without, sounds better to me. But like I said I can't afford either one so it doesn't matter.
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I just can't see a Demon over the standard Hellcat. There is nowhere you could actually see the difference on any road in this country. Unless you were willing to commit a criminal act by winding both of them out.
If you want what the Demon provides, you're better off having something built up on a custom basis. Anyone who can afford to spend that much on a play toy can afford it. And when you get right down to it, that's all these things are. Including that Tesla. High priced Jay Leno toys. And true high performance aficionados want internal combustion. Not some whiney electric toy. Even if it is faster.
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I just can't see a Demon over the standard Hellcat. There is nowhere you could actually see the difference on any road in this country. Unless you were willing to commit a criminal act by winding both of them out.
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The only place you could really put the pedal to the metal in either one would be on a drag strip, and the Roadster beats the Demon there. I think that anyone with big money who wants to win would likely buy the fastest car. Who wants to go to the drag strip and be the 2nd place winner (1st place loser) every time? Anything high tech will have people wanting it no matter what it is. If the Roadster was called Apple iCar they'd line up to get one.
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Tesla's new Roadster is going to be a 2020 model so the Demon will stay on the top of the heap for now. Maybe by 2020 I'll be able to find out how much horsepower it has. An older slower model they made was under 800 HP, 778 IIRC.
Even though I couldn't find the HP rating I did find a figure for torque, 10,000 Nm, or 7,376 pound-feet at the wheels, a figure that even Musk agrees is “stupid.” That's more than 9.5 times the torque of the 770 lb-ft Demon running 100-plus high-octane race fuel. 91 octane will drop that down to 717 lb-ft., less than 1/10 the torque of the Tesla. Plus I read that's the torque that the Demon's engine puts out which means less at the wheels. The Roadsters 3 motors putting out that insane amount of torque will have all wheel drive to hook up with the pavement. It should be an interesting ride.
If I had a ton of money and wanted a stupid fast car I'd buy a Hellcat instead of a Demon now and wait to see if Tesla will live up to it's hype or not. 707 HP and 650 lb-ft would keep me happy in the mean time.
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That torque statement on their site must be a mistake!
I could not imagine how you would manage to not smoke the tires off on the hole shot!
Even so, not a bad looking lil rocket!
Don’t need one, probably shit me drawers slammin on the go button....
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I saw the torque specs for the Roadster on a few different sites. They must have all gotten them from Tesla but they all said 7,376 lb-ft. Elon Musk said 10,000 Nm in a video but I haven't checked to see if it was converted to lb-ft properly. Older Teslas had Insane Mode you could switch on for faster acceleration. Then came Ludicrous Speed, a reference to the Spaceballs movie, and now comes Maximum Plaid. It will have 3 motors instead of 2 and the battery will be have more than double the capacity of the older model.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk7VWcuVOf0
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I just can't see a Demon over the standard Hellcat. There is nowhere you could actually see the difference on any road in this country. Unless you were willing to commit a criminal act by winding both of them out.
Sure would be fun tryin' though....... not that I've ever had any experience with high speeds on public roadways or anything like that.
I mean my old 1982 Chevy S-10 with the 327ci SB Chevy engine would -hypothetically- only do around 145 before it hit the limits of the chassis upgrades and got shaky....never did redline it in high gear.
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I’m guessing that 10,000 Nm or 7376 ft lb torque are estimates!
Heck, even top fuelers cannot measure torque in their “cars”’. It’s all mathematics and assumption...
Electric motors are torquey as hell but I’m guessing someone fat thumbed a digit or two..
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Not interested. I have been in a few of thier cars, the fit and finish of my truck is better.(not joking) they are still losing big bucks, they will not be around much longer and are only here now tha.ks too subsidies.
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I’m guessing that 10,000 Nm or 7376 ft lb torque are estimates!
Heck, even top fuelers cannot measure torque in their “cars”’. It’s all mathematics and assumption...
Electric motors are torquey as hell but I’m guessing someone fat thumbed a digit or two..
I found an online conversion that said 10,000 newton meters is 7375.6214927727 foot pounds, but torque measurements are always in pound feet. As we know foot pounds is a measurement of energy. That's almost as much as a top fuel dragster so it could be a mistake. If it's 8,000 nm instead of 10,000 that would still be an incredible amount of torque. Even if it was only 1,000 nm it would still be 737.6 lb-ft which is nothing to sneeze at. All we can do is wait and see what it really does.
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I remember a car show that chronicled a top fuel dragster. At one point in the program a crew chief pointed to the blown block of the dragster in a pile of rubbish in the corner.
He said; “I build them but I would never drive one, that’s just crazy!”
LOL
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I remember a car show that chronicled a top fuel dragster. At one point in the program a crew chief pointed to the blown block of the dragster in a pile of rubbish in the corner.
He said; “I build them but I would never drive one, that’s just crazy!”
LOL
I wouldn't drive one either, not even on a dare. If the engine explodes as you cross the finish line you know you're getting everything you can out of it. If it doesn't explode you may not be pushing it hard enough.
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Back to Tesla...
They’re having some huge quality issues coupled with incompetent or non existent customer service according to the reviews I’ve read.
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Back to Tesla...
They’re having some huge quality issues coupled with incompetent or non existent customer service according to the reviews I’ve read.
It sounds like they need to put someone in charge who knows what they're doing. Good leaders know when to delegate.