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Title: Who is going to be first to get one of these...Bilt or ???
Post by: Rastus on January 27, 2018, 07:55:33 AM

Man, these pdw's are fine looking.  I don't care if they really shoot or not...they look like something that should be under glass in a museum or a jewelry store.

http://www.battlearmsdevelopment.com/paratrooper-7-5-300blk-pdw-sbr (http://www.battlearmsdevelopment.com/paratrooper-7-5-300blk-pdw-sbr)

http://www.battlearmsdevelopment.com/tanker-7-5-300blk-pdw-sbr (http://www.battlearmsdevelopment.com/tanker-7-5-300blk-pdw-sbr)

Title: Re: Who is going to be first to get one of these...Bilt or ???
Post by: billt on January 27, 2018, 08:07:39 AM

It's a bit different. But not for me at $3K+, that's for sure. For $1K less I would rather go with one of the new IWI Galil Ace Models in .308.

https://iwi.us/product/gar1651/

https://iwi.us/product/gap51sb/

Title: Re: Who is going to be first to get one of these...Bilt or ???
Post by: Rastus on January 27, 2018, 08:21:29 AM

Bill my wife said I needed to have one of those BAD pdw's.  I'm gonna have to anty up the cash somehow...because of course I don't have a 300 Blackout yet.   8)

Does ATF still take trusts for SBR's?

Title: Re: Who is going to be first to get one of these...Bilt or ???
Post by: Pathfinder on January 27, 2018, 10:36:09 AM

Quote from: Rastus on January 27, 2018, 08:21:29 AM

Bill my wife said I needed to have one of those BAD pdw's.  I'm gonna have to anty up the cash somehow...because of course I don't have a 300 Blackout yet.   8)

Does ATF still take trusts for SBR's?

Yes, but EVERY member of the trust must be photographed and printed for each purchase.

Title: Re: Who is going to be first to get one of these...Bilt or ???
Post by: les snyder on January 27, 2018, 02:48:24 PM

you can build a 7" AR with a LAW folding stock adapter and pistol tube for about $2200 less

Title: Re: Who is going to be first to get one of these...Bilt or ???
Post by: PegLeg45 on January 27, 2018, 04:42:38 PM

Quote from: les snyder on January 27, 2018, 02:48:24 PM

you can build a 7" AR with a LAW folding stock adapter and pistol tube for about $2200 less

Yes indeed.

Title: Re: Who is going to be first to get one of these...Bilt or ???
Post by: Rastus on January 27, 2018, 06:24:18 PM

Yeah, I know....but is it as purty? 

Title: Re: Who is going to be first to get one of these...Bilt or ???
Post by: Big Frank on January 27, 2018, 08:30:09 PM

They look so sweet I may need some insulin. The mag-well areas look similar to the Saint Edge.

http://www.springfield-armory.com/products/saint-edge-ar15-5-56/

Title: Re: Who is going to be first to get one of these...Bilt or ???
Post by: PegLeg45 on January 28, 2018, 02:12:57 PM

Quote from: Rastus on January 27, 2018, 06:24:18 PM

Yeah, I know....but is it as purty?

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that....... does it shoot well?  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Who is going to be first to get one of these...Bilt or ???
Post by: MikeBjerum on January 29, 2018, 07:42:53 AM

Let's break this down for old gun farts:

.300BLK PDW

.300 = Caliber 30
BLK = Blackout ... I would think

However,

BLK PDW = Black powder  :o

Only question is whether it is percussion cap or flintlock?

Title: Re: Who is going to be first to get one of these...Bilt or ???
Post by: Majer on January 29, 2018, 09:13:23 AM

PDW= Personal Defense Weapon

Title: Re: Who is going to be first to get one of these...Bilt or ???
Post by: les snyder on January 29, 2018, 09:55:52 PM

in case you are not familiar with the .300 BLK (Blackout) ... it is a 5.56 (.223) case necked up to hold a .30 projectile.. allows projectiles in the 140 grain or better range... needs only a .30 cal barrel as the bolt face is the same, and the cartridges fit in an AR magazine (unlike the heavy tapered 7.62x39 AK round)

Title: Re: Who is going to be first to get one of these...Bilt or ???
Post by: Big Frank on January 29, 2018, 10:31:52 PM

Quote from: les snyder on January 29, 2018, 09:55:52 PM

in case you are not familiar with the .300 BLK (Blackout) ... it is a 5.56 (.223) case necked up to hold a .30 projectile.. allows projectiles in the 140 grain or better range... needs only a .30 cal barrel as the bolt face is the same, and the cartridges fit in an AR magazine (unlike the heavy tapered 7.62x39 AK round)

Not just necked up but shortened to 1.368 in. (34.7 mm), slightly shorter than a .221 Remington Fireball, 1.400 in. (35.6 mm). More like a necked up Fireball than a 5.56 NATO. Muzzle energy varies by bullet weight and velocity but some are around the same ME as a .44 mag.

Title: Re: Who is going to be first to get one of these...Bilt or ???
Post by: alfsauve on January 30, 2018, 05:12:28 AM

You silly people and your toys.

Here's a real PWD.  In a serious caliber.   45/70

(http://www.securityarms.com/photos/1275500241.jpg)

(http://www.alloutdoor.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/ladies-home-companion-660x495.jpg)

Called, btw, the Ladies Home Companion

Title: Re: Who is going to be first to get one of these...Bilt or ???
Post by: les snyder on January 30, 2018, 07:05:41 AM

my attempt at a PDW was to use available non proprietary AR components other than the LAW folding adapter... a 7" PSA 5.56 upper, LAW folding adapter, and PSA pistol lower (pistol tube used with the adapter) gave me a compact unit that could be carried in a gym bag, quickly deployed, and shoulder fired... 2" 100yd accuracy with good ammo

Title: Re: Who is going to be first to get one of these...Bilt or ???
Post by: Big Frank on January 30, 2018, 04:46:23 PM

Video: 1990s 45-70 Ladies Home Companion Revolver – Worst Handgun Ever?
Massive, impractical, poorly-made... and strangely enticing.

http://www.alloutdoor.com/2015/09/21/video-1990s-45-70-ladies-home-companion-revolver-worst-handgun-ever/

There may have been a .410 bore version too.

Title: Re: Who is going to be first to get one of these...Bilt or ???
Post by: Rastus on February 01, 2018, 06:20:14 AM

Well...yeah I get it there are more practical options.  And...to that point, I already have two PS-90's for PDW's that I dearly love. 

However, how can you not love a "face" and "bod" that looks like this:

(http://www.battlearmsdevelopment.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/p/a/paratrooper_06.jpg)
(http://www.battlearmsdevelopment.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/t/a/tanker_08.jpg)

Title: Re: Who is going to be first to get one of these...Bilt or ???
Post by: TAB on February 01, 2018, 08:36:09 AM

I do not like them. They  look way too fancy

Title: Re: Who is going to be first to get one of these...Bilt or ???
Post by: PegLeg45 on February 01, 2018, 04:07:39 PM

They don't really do anything for me in the aesthetics department ....... they look cumbersome.
That being said, I wouldn't turn down a free one.  ;D

Title: Re: Who is going to be first to get one of these...Bilt or ???
Post by: Big Frank on February 01, 2018, 05:23:45 PM

The butt doesn't look like it belongs with the rest of it. It's too cheap looking.

Title: Re: Who is going to be first to get one of these...Bilt or ???
Post by: Rastus on February 04, 2018, 08:33:40 AM

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder...and those things are gorgeous.