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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: twyacht on September 08, 2008, 09:01:50 AM
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I have a stainless and black 7 month old 10/22 rifle. I purchased 2 Eagle International 30rd. magazines shortly after getting the rifle.
With ammo prices what they are, my .22 is really been used alot lately. I use Winchester Super X 37gr. HP's most of the time, I do not shoot Stingers, as the Ruger manual says not to.
I am developing feeding problems when using the Eagle mags. It appears the mag has been sitting too high when seated, and the action is damaging the feed lips of the mag, causing the next round to prematurely be extracted and "bull nosed above the breech"
thus jamming.
I have to drop the mag, clear the jam, re-insert, rack, and may get a few more shots off before it happens again.
I included some pics.
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/1022001.jpg)
It seems to seat awfully high, comparatively to the 10 rd. mags that came with it.(No issues with those.)
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/1022003.jpg)
Note the feed lips are taking a "beating" these mags. are less than 6 months old.
Has anyone had this happen with Eagle Int. Mags?
Is it common?
Are Eagle Int. mags too cheap to use reliably? (about 15 to 20 dollars around here.) I'm sure some have no issues, just curious.
Is there anything I can do to the rifle?
If I get the metal feed lipped mags, will it damage the action of the rifle?
Are these mags prone to wear out?
Just an issue that has gotten worse lately(especially yesterday.), and as always,I rely on the DRTV forum for advice, tips, and tricks that may help. I love my 10/22 and used my partners Ram-Line 50 rd. mag he purchased from Midway.com for $22.00, and had no issues.
Thank you.
Tom W.
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Its the
mag clip ;D (I think I am going to purposily use the term clip from here on out just to screw with haz).
Remington had a very similar problem with the 597 at first and had to go to steel magazines clips ;D to fix the problem.
You should try a new mag clip ;D or one made by a different company.
Exit Question: What scope you got on that good looking rifle?
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I had one magazine that was a worthless piece of crap. It was either an Eagle or a Condor. Was there ever a Condor mag? That was several years ago. I tried to modify both the gun and the magazine to make it work. I finally threw it in the trash where it belonged. I have six 30-round Ram-Line mags that are very old and still work great. My 4 new 50-round Ram-Line mags were giving me some trouble. My 30 year old recoil spring may have just been too weak to handle it. I replaced it and haven't shot my gun since. The Ruger factory mags and Ram-Line 30-rounders are the best I've ever used. I can't honestly say if the 50-rounders are that good.
I also have an old Ram-Line Autoloader magazine loader that lets me load the mags in seconds. Just dump the ammo in and push the button to load almost as fast as you can shoot. It's an amazing piece of machinery that seems to work on all aftermarket mags but not on Ruger factory mags. They quit making it but several places still have them in stock. The new improved version from Shooter's Ridge is getting very bad reviews but some people like that one too. The old design is great.
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twyaht,
I have a new Ruger 10/22 with 2 Eagle magazines as well. I was just getting ready to post the same question you have asked. I have only run 550 wally world bulk thourgh them so far. I have the exact same problem. The lips aren't as marred as yours, but the feed problem is the same. I am going to get a few different boxes of ammo and run them through to see if there is any difference. The factory mag hasn't had any problems. If the problem is with the mags does anyone know of any other higher cap mags that would be more reliable? At the range a few weeks ago, someone who was shooting next to me mentioned getting a better extractor as well. I had a couple of FTEs but chalked it up to the cheap .22LR ammo I was shooting. Would this be needed? Pic forthcoming
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Thank you for the replies. I haven't "tweaked" the rifle as many with a 10/22 can attest to. I figured as long as the 10/22 has been around design, even after market mags, would be of better quality. Moreover, as good a design as the 10/22 is, I am reluctant to modify this one. Although, I want to find a "used" pawn shop one and turn it into a Luke Skywalker version.
Ericire12, the scope is a Bushnell 3-9x32mm variable with 40mm bell diameter from midwayusa.com, around $40.00. Certainly not the best of what's out there, but "finally" puts them on the dot for how I shoot it. (usually 50-100yds. max.) Plinking with accuracy, and I'm a happy camper. ::)
brosometal, I also have heard of "trigger jobs", and extractors that would enhance performance exponentially in the 10/22. I just hoped the 30rd. Eagle mags would have fit or fed better.
jumbofrank, thank you, you call it like you see it, and I appreciate it. not familiar with a Condor mag, but I'm willing to give Ram-line a try.
I'll post a follow up of the new "clip"Its the mag clip Grin (I think I am going to purposily use the term clip from here on out just to screw with haz).
Thanks again,
Tom W.
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My old Ram-Line 30-round single-stack mags from years or decades ago had a lifetime warranty that I never needed. My new 50-rounders had I believe a 30-day warranty. Whatever it was, it expired before I even tried them out. When I finally got ahold of Ram-Line they were ready to honor it anyway, but I still want to see if they work after I got my new recoil spring. My 10/22 is at least 30 years old. I got it when I was still in highscool in the late 70s. The 30 year old recoil spring may not have had enough power to overcome the magazine tension from the new mags. It may have been nothing but the bolt dragging that caused my problems. It's a wonder it worked with all the old, or rather ancient mags, including the 2 original Rugers. I would reccomend you buy Ram-Line and try out your mags before the warranty expires. If they don't work for you try Hot Lips or Steel Lips. If I shoot my 10/22 sometime this year I let you know how it works.
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My experience with high cap 10/22 mags has been abysmal, butler creek, ram line are the only 2 I have used and none worked, I shoot a .22rf carbine match once a month, and only one guy has had good success, My friend James Darst, team DPMS, uses a nordic 10/22 and has good luck with the butler creek steel feed lip mags. My 10/22's have always worked with the factory mags, and truthfully, I never sat down and tried to fit the gun to the magazine, up until now there were no good tournaments where it would have mattered. I now shoot an AR15, with a dedicated upper and Black dog mags, good combo.
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Thanks m25 and jumbofrank for the options in mags I wasn't familiar with. Butler creek, Hot Lips (Hoolihan?), Steel Lips.
My concern with the steel lipped mags. is damage to the rifle action as it cycles over a metal mag. BUT if it seats better, it should not be an issue,,?
I am on a budget but not even my wife complains about 22 ammo....the .45LC yes,.. but not the 22. Sigh,...
I will look into them all and follow up.
Thank you again.
Tom W.
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m25op, do you have a match chamber? If so do you think that could be a problem when using aftermarket hi-cap mags?
Hot Lips. :) I was a huge MASH fan myself. The bolt shouldn't even touch the lips of the mag. Someone makes a fancy adjustable mag but it sounds like an expensive PITA to me.
If I was only going to buy one high-cap mag to try out it would be a Ram-Line 25-round. $19.49 for solid black and $22.49 for transparent smoke. It's a single stack like my old 30s that work so well. The new 30s are compact double stacks like the 50s. I didn't have to modify the gun or the mags for the old single stacks to work. If you get one, an extended mag release is a great accessory. Not mandatory buy well worth it. I got a cheap plastic one and haven't had any problems with it. I don't shoot competetively but when I go out plinking I usually take two bricks of ammo in case I use the first one up. All I do is run a bore snake down the barrel when it starts to get gummed up then I shoot some more. When you go though 500 rounds at a time some kind of mag loader really helps too.
I've heard mostly good things about the Butler Creek mags but haven't owned any. A lot of people say they're much better than Ram-Lines. I haven't tried any of the MWG 50-round mags either. I heard bad things about 50-round wind up mags years ago when someone (called Mitchell?) sold some that look just like the MWGs. Another thing I have is an E&L dual mag clip that holds two Ruger mags together back to back. My 30-year old mags function flawlessly as long as I don't drop them on the ground. :) I did have to take one apart to clean it and may have wound it just a little tighter when I put it back together. I glued mine to the dual clip holder with epoxy. The extended mag release is really handy for that too. http://www.brasscatchers.com/store/ruger1022.html If you tell the wife how much you're saving on ammo you should be able to get more goodies.
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Brosometal said that he had no problems with the factory mag, in that case I would not bother trying other ammo, I would try other mags. Butler Creek has a good reputation as does Ram line so I would start there. But that is just my $.02 based on reading the thread not experience.
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The 50-round Ram-Line mags suck!!! I just tried loading all my mags with the Ram-Line loader after cleaning them. The 30s are okay but the 50s keep jamming, and denting and destroying the ammo before I can even get it loaded. I was having trouble shooting before but now I'm having trouble loading, so now I know it's nothing wrong with my gun. I'm going to try to get my money back but the warranty expired. If I can't get my money back or get them replaced with some that work I'm going to use them for targets. $150 for 4 mags and they don't even work. >:(
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Thanks for the info. jumbofrank, I haven't ordered any replacements yet. But I was looking at some of these, The Butler Creek look like a possibility.
http://www.midwayusa.com/browse/BrowseProducts.aspx?t=82579&pageNum=0&tabId=7&categoryId=15089&categoryString=10613***687***11341***8904***
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I suggest sticking with a single column mag no matter what brand you get. I don't know if my new mags don't work because they're double column, or if all new Ram-Line mags are that bad. If I can only get "store credit" for mine I'll get the 25-round singles. When I loaded all my 10 and 30 round mags I had 200 rounds ready to go. I thought I could use the 4 new 50s to take the place of the 8 old mags. Even clipped together back to back they take up a lot of room and I was trying to eliminate some bulk. I learned my lesson. If it still works don't replace it.
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JMHO, but the only acceptable aftermarket 10/22 mags are made by Tactical Innovations. I like the aluminum ones, but have read good things about the composite piece. Unfortunately the are pricey. You get what you pay for. If you want greater capacity than the factory mags give you, get the best!
Addict
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The old Ram-Line 30-round mags I got way back when still work great. When I bought them, 6 or 7 of them cost what 1Tactical Innovations 25-round mag costs. You could get 180-210 rounds capacity for the price of 25. There really used to be good cheap mags available. Now I can't even get Ram-Line to answer an email about the crap they're making. No wonder they don't have a lifetime warranty anymore. >:(
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If its a ramline throw it AWAY Ive had 2-50 round mags I cant get them to feed. :'(
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If its a ramline throw it AWAY Ive had 2-50 round mags I cant get them to feed. :'(
Old single column = cheap & very good. :)
New double column = an expensive POS. >:(
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pos is right!!!! >:(
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It pisses me off so bad that they won't even answer my emails. They won't answer questions about the warranty or anything. Now I think I know how the guys with the "turd by Ruger" pistols feel.
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If its a ramline throw it AWAY Ive had 2-50 round mags I cant get them to feed. :'(
I've had no problems with my Ram-Lines (20, 30 and 50 rounds), bought all of them fairly recently (within last 6 months). I just got a 50-rounder and haven't had it out to the range as yet, though, so we'll see.
Given the few respondents on this thread, we may want to go easy on the snarky Ram-Line and Ruger comments until there is clearer evidence that there actually is a problem with the mags.
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I switched ammo and got a little better result than before. This is with the Eagle 30 rounders. I made a conscious effort to make sure the plastic mags (just for Haz and R. Lee Ermey) were seated all the way. (The plastic allows the mags to wiggle a bit). The results were enough for me not to toss them yet. They still need a lot of improvement to save them from the landfill, but they have a repreive for now.
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I've had no problems with my Ram-Lines (20, 30 and 50 rounds), bought all of them fairly recently (within last 6 months). I just got a 50-rounder and haven't had it out to the range as yet, though, so we'll see.
Given the few respondents on this thread, we may want to go easy on the snarky Ram-Line and Ruger comments until there is clearer evidence that there actually is a problem with the mags.
When did they start making new 20 round mags? Are you sure they aren't 25?
When all 4 out of my 4 50-round mags don't work, but all of my other 8 mags work, that's evidence enough for me. When you can't even load or unload the mags without them jamming it's either the mags or the ammo. But it's not the ammo since it works in all of the other mags. 100% of my 50-round mags are defective. The top of the followers look like they've split in half, spread out, and and jammed themselves against the inside walls of the mags. If it was one solid piece I think they would work. I'm trying to figure out how to fix them myself since I can't get Ram-Line to answer any of my emails. It's $150 down the toilet if I can't fix them.
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Here is an idea..... scrap the 10/22 and go out and buy yourself a Remington 597.......... problem solved!
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Jumbo,
Here's the 597 just for you!
http://www.davidsonsinc.com/consumers/subsites/inven_product.asp?dealer_id=62832&item=80854&instock=all&manufact_combo=Remington&mod_ser_combo=597&category_combo=None&model=597&g_type=None&act_type=&finish_type=None&calib_combo=None&sight_class_combo=None&price_range=None&left_handed=&youth=&Offset_rec=0&num_rec=50&item_num=
Encircle,
Do they make aftermarket mags and 'stuff' for the 597? I like the price on the basic model (180.95)
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Here is an idea..... scrap the 10/22 and go out and buy yourself a Remington 597.......... problem solved!
Do they have 50-round mags available? If not, then it's not a solution for people who want to load a whole box of ammo in one mag.
Besides that, all my 30-round mags that work great in a 10/22 won't fit a Remington. I'm not scrapping a great gun that I've had for 30 years and hundreds of dollars worth of accessories.
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Do they have 50-round mags available? If not, then it's not a solution for people who want to load a whole box of ammo in one mag.
Besides that, all my 30-round mags that work great in a 10/22 won't fit a Remington. I'm not scrapping a great gun that I've had for 30 years and hundreds of dollars worth of accessories.
You can buy 30 rd mags at MidwayUSA
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If there was a fight between a Ruger 10/22 and a Remington 597, who would win?
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If there was a fight between a Ruger 10/22 and a Remington 597, who would win?
Neither. Guns don't fight by themselves. Was it a trick question?
My 10/22 is registered as a pistol. Maybe if I carried it concealed I could whip it out before anyone else knows there' a gunfight.
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You can buy 30 rd mags at MidwayUSA
No 50-round mags, so no way to load a whole box of ammo in one mag? I already have 6 30-round mags for my 10/22 and they work great. Getting rid of my .22 rifle and mags, and replacing it with a more expensive .22 rifle and mags doesn't make any sense to me. I think I paid $63 or $67 for my 10/22, brand new, and about $10 apiece for the mags. It looks like it would cost about 3 times as much to replace my 10/22 and 6 30-round mags with a 597 and 6 30-round mags. But if you guys know where I can get a new Remington 597 and 6 30-round mags for anywhere close to $125 let me know.
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Neither. Guns don't fight by themselves. Was it a trick question?
My 10/22 is registered as a pistol. Maybe if I carried it concealed I could whip it out before anyone else knows there' a gunfight.
Nah. Just among my friends, we would "promote" fights between things that wouldn't actually fight in real life. Like if there was a fight between Aerosmith and the Eagles, who would win? Then you have the option of giving each combatant an unusual weapon such as a 12" Statue of Liberty or a 2 lb. bag of M&Ms. Just silliness. If you were wondering it was determined that Aerosmith would win because, "You gotta give it to Aerosmith. Not too many bands can suck for over 30 years."
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Nah. Just among my friends, we would "promote" fights between things that wouldn't actually fight in real life. Like if there was a fight between Aerosmith and the Eagles, who would win? Then you have the option of giving each combatant an unusual weapon such as a 12" Statue of Liberty or a 2 lb. bag of M&Ms. Just silliness. If you were wondering it was determined that Aerosmith would win because, "You gotta give it to Aerosmith. Not too many bands can suck for over 30 years."
Guitar Hero
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Video - 10/22 Torture test (Haz style):
http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1541138791/bclid1364171724/bctid1344510730
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Nah. Just among my friends, we would "promote" fights between things that wouldn't actually fight in real life. Like if there was a fight between Aerosmith and the Eagles, who would win? Then you have the option of giving each combatant an unusual weapon such as a 12" Statue of Liberty or a 2 lb. bag of M&Ms. Just silliness. If you were wondering it was determined that Aerosmith would win because, "You gotta give it to Aerosmith. Not too many bands can suck for over 30 years."
Thank's for the explanation and a hearty laugh. The 10/22 has so many accessories that it's like the Transformer robot of the gun world. Between the Eagles and Aerosmith I think Steven Tyler could swallow the Eagles whole. Black people look at him and say, "D*mn! Look at the size of those lips!"
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Video - 10/22 Torture test (Haz style):
http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1541138791/bclid1364171724/bctid1344510730
I'll sleep better now, knowing my 10/22 will probably still work if I'm attacked by someone with a bag of cat litter and a bladder control issue. ;D