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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Jim Kennedy-ar154me on July 13, 2020, 07:49:41 AM
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Looking for opinions here. What are your ideas of civilians carrying handcuffs in their car? While I NEVER intend to try to cuff someone (I am not a cop and not paid for that). The issue on another thread about Narcan and having to cuff someone before using the Narcan started me thinking. I have what I call an emergency bag in the trunk and "thinking" about putting in a pair of handcuffs or, as some of you have mentioned, flex cuffs.
Thoughts?
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Check your local /state laws, In some states it is illegal to handcuff someone unless you're a sworn Police/Peace officer. Also if not properly trained on how to cuff someone you can cause damage to the wrists that will cause you to lose anything of value in a law suit.
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Long zip ties are just as good and multi use.
Lets see you use a pair of cuffs as a chamber flag . ;D
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What is Narcan?
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My FA training has always been what you might call Gonzo First Aid. Not a lot of niceties, the three "B"s I always called it. Keep them Breathing and Beating and stop the Bleeding. There might be a formal term like "field trauma" or something for it. What's amazing all four rounds of training were done by vastly different groups, USAF, City of Jax, Ft Bend County and Cobb County but it all had the same message.
Do what you can to keep them alive long enough for the pros to arrive
Don't put yourself in more danger than necessary
You can't save everybody. (You can't carry every possible thing for every possible situation)
So my take is: No I'm not going to put myself in jeopardy dealing with an uncooperative person. When they wear themselves out then, yes, I'll do what I can from that point.
Keep in mind also the weight/space/usefulness triangle. You have trade-offs. Everything you add to your kit takes space and adds weight. How useful will it be? I'd trade the handcuffs for another Israeli Bandage and clotting pad. I can't carry everything needed for every situation so I carry only what to me I will most likely need.
I plied the rock concerts venues for the City of Jacksonville for 2 years and we never once had an OD that needed to be restrained. I doubt as a civilian I'll ever see one. YMMV especially if you tread in the high drug areas.
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Have been thinking of the cuffs question since TAB's post also.
As the world seems to be moving to the 'wild side' there maybe occasions where you do need to hold someone at gunpoint for the safety of yourself and/or others.
In that case some means of restraint would mean some additional distraction would not break your 100% concentration on the perp and allow them to pursue bad action.
I'd take my chances of getting in the dog house about securing someone I needed to hold at gun point.
And if that restraint would eliminate the need for the firearm to be deployed, everyone is safer.
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Zip cuffs wieght next too nothing. You can buy a single pacl for around $5 on amazon or a 10 pacl for 20. Over the years i have arrested more than a few people stealing from job sights. When the option is hold them at gun point ir cuff them its a no brainer.
Narcan is an opioid od reversal med. The misses recently had to give some one a dose of it. I screwed up, i should have cuffed him before he woke back up.
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What is Narcan?
The drug used to counteract opioid overdose.
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What I am hearing is to use a set of zip ties. They don't add weight and can be used for MANY things other than handcuffs. I do already carry a few cable ties but they are too small for restraint use. I will simply supplement them with the larger ties and keep them around.
To answer, I would not get close enough to put them on anyone that is already up and moving, especially if they are high, if I have ANY OTHER choice (i.e. hold them at gunpoint) but, as TAB said, anyone that is already overdosed, using Narcan and "ruining" their high can make some of them very mad. Having them restrained before administering Narcan is a good idea. If they are not acting up after administrating Narcan they can always be cut loose.
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if you seriously feel you should carry zip ties for use as restraints, I think it would be a good move to look at TAB's recommendation of the specific use Zip Cuffs.... They sure look like they would make the process much easier, less cumpersome...which could well be a life saver in that situation...check them out...find a selection here:
https://www.amazon.com/zip-cuffs/s?k=zip+cuffs
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Looking for opinions here. What are your ideas of civilians carrying handcuffs in their car? While I NEVER intend to try to cuff someone (I am not a cop and not paid for that). The issue on another thread about Narcan and having to cuff someone before using the Narcan started me thinking. I have what I call an emergency bag in the trunk and "thinking" about putting in a pair of handcuffs or, as some of you have mentioned, flex cuffs.
Thoughts?
First, one of my pet peeves, every member of law enforcement you see walking the streets or driving a vehicle is carrying handcuffs, and THEY ARE CIVILIANS.
In researching when I was teaching, there is no law against carrying handcuffs - metal, carbon fiber, poly, etc. However, it is a sticky area when you start to use them ... Especially if your wife gets loud and the neighbors misunderstand ... Ooooops! Off topic.
There are any number of charges that could come up if you restrain a person. Even EMS and medical facilities are heavily restricted from using any type of restraint.
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You need to make those decisions in advance....if you can ponder them ....legal vs. right...
Some time ago, to get to the range I had to drive through an area where I was not permitted to have firearms. The law allowed me to transport them in the trunk...not the passenger compartment.
I asked myself....if I were driving through that area and saw a violent crime being committed would I stop, get a gun and do what was needed to end the violence.
My answer was always yes.....my thought being...how could I look myself in the face in the mirror shaving if I didn't.