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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: alfsauve on October 06, 2020, 12:11:50 PM
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Now that I've tried "other" (see WOW thread) guns I'm done with my G-17. I never particularly liked it anyway, but I'm done. I only had it to compete in GSSF matches anyway. I may continue to do that, but only as a side thing when convenient. Probably won't go back to TMP for the Nationals again. I've score 498/500 indoor league and <71 in outdoor match so that's pretty close to my goals (one shot away in each case).
After much debate I decided to go with the Sig X5 Legion. I already have a P320 (3.9" barrel) that I have grips and magazines for. It qualifies for CCP in IDPA. I could use it for SSP in IDPA or Production in USPSA, but I'm at that level where I could benefit from a really good gun. So I've put my name on the waiting list at the LGS.
Over the last 15 years, in competition, I've shot P99, XDs, M&P, G17 & 34 and the P320. If you're looking for the "one" gun to carry and compete they all do good, but now I want a "competition" gun.
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I'm a big fan of Czechnology ;D
I have a Sig Romeo and it seems pretty good.
Their pistol optics should be good.
Now for a question.
Does any one make an optic that fits the rear sight dovetail ?
Seems like otherwise the only way to mount one is custom shop.
Even replacing the slide is only an option wit a few brands.
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Tom... there is no real standardization of the footprint (mounting screws and locating studs) .... the Trijicon RMR and Holosun vs. Vortex, Burrus vs whom ever... even the dot scopes intended for a pistol typically have a mount for a 1913 rail... to get a very low mount, as you commented, the slide is milled, or the changable MOS plate comes standard on the pistol.... another option is the dovetail slide mount... I used one of the DPP Titanium 7075-T6 mounts to put a Venom on an Advantage Arms .22lr conversion for my G17
https://www.amazon.com/DPP-Titanium-Mounting-Fastfire-anodizing/dp/B07SPT21CC/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=dpp+titanium+scope+mount&link_code=qs&qid=1602030320&sourceid=Mozilla-search&sr=8-3&tag=mozilla-20
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Speaking of Sig...........My b-i-l showed me his new Sig P365 a few weeks ago and I really liked it. It was one of the best feeling'fitting gun I've held in a while.
Now that I'm in the 9mm game for the first time in my life (bought the wife a Ruger), the P365 will probably be my next pistola purchase once there is one to be found...... then I can finally ditch both my one Glock as well as .40 S&W at the same time.
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... there is no real standardization of the footprint (mounting screws and locating studs) .... the Trijicon RMR and Holosun vs. Vortex, Burrus vs whom ever...
The M&P CORE (which I'm trading in for the X5) came with 4 different mounting plates. None of them fit the Romeo. I bought the extra plate and hope the next owner of the M&P will appreciate it.
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<snip>After much debate I decided to go with the Sig X5 Legion. <snip>
I have the older Sig X5. From what I could discern Sig added some weight by putting tungsten in the grip. Sig also claims the X5 Legion has high quality parts in it...I don't know what that means.
Alf, do you have a handle on what the differences are and why you picked it over the Shawdow? Les...you and Billt generally have some undated knowledge to share too.
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The CZ Shadow is a DA/SA (without a decocker) and is a spectacular gun. If I was concentrating on USPSA/SCSA Open division, then yes, that would be the one.
But:
I already have a P320, magazines and accessories
The CZ is $300+
The X5 can be used in IDPA SSP & USPSA/SCSA Production (CO too I think).
If I ever dreamed of being more than maybe an "A" class shooter in USPSA, then sure.
You know what? It's not like making a lifetime commitment to the mob. I can always add the Shadow later. It's only money. ;)
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Never pass on a Cz. ;D
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Only money? You and my wife must be related....
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I'm currently running 3 Sig's. All 9 MM. A P-226 SCT, (Super Capacity Tactical, that ships with 4, 20 round magazines). And a P-226 & P-229 Stainless Elite. Both of those have Stainless frames, as well as Stainless slides. (The newer Stainless Elites have gone to Aluminum frames). While there is nothing "wrong" with that, I don't think they should be charging what the all Stainless Elite's used to cost. Aluminum machines far easier, faster, and cheaper. They're not the same gun, yet continue to have the same price. It's a bit of, "bait & switch".
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this is all anecdotal, and relates to quite early models... when I first started shooting IPSC (pre USPSA) .45acp was the choice, and a friend obtained one of the SiG/Browning (P220?) pistols... held together with roll pins and with an unfavorable currency exchange rate, pretty expensive... the rails showed peening very quickly... produced a bad taste... when the real CZ75's started showing up in the States they were still quite unobtanium in Florida, so I picked up a Tanfoglio TZ 75 clone...it felt good, but when I range tested it, I used some hand load lead bullets and got poor accuracy out of it... not the gun's fault, but again a bad taste...I was comparing it to a single action P35 Browning I had that was very accurate shooting .357 dia 38 super bullets, so it went away... when I got my first Glock Gen1, one of the top shooters in the state was on the Miami PD and did a whole series of tests prior to them adopting the platform... I was impressed with his recommendation, even though the pistol was not a 1911... it was a safe queen... poor sights, weird trigger, plastic grip etc...when I started shooting 3 gun pretty seriously I started evaluating my choice of firearms... exchanged the 1100 for the Benelli, replaced the Holosight with a good optical sight, and the final straw was when I broke a 1911 barrel link in 2005 (60,000 rounds, but it had to break at Ft Benning ) I then switched to the Glock platform for competition pistols as well as carry pistols... I eat dinner with a good friend that is a pistol smith every week, and a couple of weeks ago, he was working on a SiG...just a lot of little springs to operate levers... I think the Sig engineers are a family relation to the S&W engineers that love little springs...
I've switched my optics preference to Holosun... I think they have an excellent product for a couple hundred less than Trijicon... a 507c for the M41, and a 510c for the 10/22
regards
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I eat dinner with a good friend that is a pistol smith every week, and a couple of weeks ago, he was working on a SiG...just a lot of little springs to operate levers... I think the Sig engineers are a family relation to the S&W engineers that love little springs...
regards
I agree. I think there are MANY auto pistol designs that are over engineered, and overly complex with far too many small, breakable parts. Sig and S&W among them.
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I think there are MANY auto pistol designs that are over engineered, and overly complex with far too many small, breakable parts. Sig and S&W among them.
One of my beefs with the S&W M&P is the little lever on the inside that you have to get a little pokey-tool and push it down in order to remove the slide. Maybe newer version don't have that, but I considered it a very weak design. Lock slide back, turn disassembly lever, release slide. That's all it should be.
I did shoot the new competition ready PT-92 this week. But again, more of an Open gun platform.
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You can love or hate Glock all you want. One of it's many successful features is it's simple design. With only 34 parts in the entire gun, it's reliability is legendary. I've always said, if I had to exist in a bad place, and was allowed only one rifle and pistol, I would choose a Glock and a AK-47. If I died, at least it would not be from over engineered, complex weapons.
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You can love or hate Glock all you want. One of it's many successful features is it's simple design. With only 34 parts in the entire gun, it's reliability is legendary. I've always said, if I had to exist in a bad place, and was allowed only one rifle and pistol, I would choose a Glock and a AK-47. If I died, at least it would not be from over engineered, complex weapons.
glocks have more than 34 parts. They count alot of assemblies as 1 part, they also dont count screws as a second part, its * blank* w/ screw. I want to say its 46 or 47 total parts. One of thier marketing ploys that has always bugged me.