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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: MikeBjerum on January 30, 2021, 03:43:30 PM
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In the real world I will be branded an extremist for asking this and pointing out why.
It took the FBI three weeks to come to the conclusion that the events of January 6th, in our nation's capitol were organized. Of course this is something most in this nation, who were paying attention, saw coming weeks prior. The media is reporting all of the events where people organized and then traveled to DC for the event.
Eight months ago rioting broke out in Minneapolis, MN, and it quickly spread across the nation. It continued until shortly before the election. Rioting in major cities. Rioting where there is documentation of building supplies, bricks and blocks, being left on pallets on street corners. Eight months, and the FBI finds no evidence of organization. Even though BLM passes out T-shirts, and the picket signs repeat the same message, to the letter.
With an objective and sharp law enforcement organization like this on our side, why would we ever think there is a conspiracy?
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I'm quickly coming to the conclusion that the FBI is basically a political arm of the Democratic Party. They have lost all credibility. They have most likely been promised advanced careers, and high promotions, (read increased paychecks and retirements), if they played ball with the powers that be. The fact Comey never went after Hillary proves this. If she did what she did back in the 50's, J. Edgar would have had her in handcuffs quicker than a shoplifter.
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I have an old friend (35+ years) who just retired from the FBI back in November. Part of it was due to chronic back issues from an on the job auto accident. I also know he can't divulge all the info to me, but knowing where his heart lies, I'm pretty sure (from some of the things he has said) current issues within the bureau was part of his decision as well.
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In the real world I will be branded an extremist for asking this and pointing out why.
It took the FBI three weeks to come to the conclusion that the events of January 6th, in our nation's capitol were organized. Of course this is something most in this nation, who were paying attention, saw coming weeks prior. The media is reporting all of the events where people organized and then traveled to DC for the event.
Eight months ago rioting broke out in Minneapolis, MN, and it quickly spread across the nation. It continued until shortly before the election. Rioting in major cities. Rioting where there is documentation of building supplies, bricks and blocks, being left on pallets on street corners. Eight months, and the FBI finds no evidence of organization. Even though BLM passes out T-shirts, and the picket signs repeat the same message, to the letter.
With an objective and sharp law enforcement organization like this on our side, why would we ever think there is a conspiracy?
They have never been objective and not so bright either.
Most of their history has relied on walk ins and rats.
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They had quite a mess this morning down in a suburb of Miami, Florida..... two agents dead and three wounded executing a warrant in a child porn case.
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They had quite a mess this morning down in a suburb of Miami, Florida..... two agents dead and three wounded executing a warrant in a child porn case.
This has always been an issue with the FBI. They're mostly lawyers and bookworms by trade..... Not gunfighters. They tend to make messes where none exist, all as a direct result of not being street savvy. This goes back to the mess at Little Bohemia, up in Wisconsin. When they shot up the place in the middle of the night, going after Dillinger and his gang. They ended up killing 2 innocent guys who worked in the area. And were only there because they both stopped in for a drink after working late.
Then there was the now infamous, "The Kansas City Massacre" with the shootout and murder of four law enforcement officers and a criminal fugitive at the crowded Union Station railroad depot in Kansas City, Missouri in 1933..... After that there was the 1986 Miami shootout. That occurred because they chased 2 armed guys who liked to shoot, into a residential area and engaged them. While people were out walking their dogs and kids. It's a miracle no citizens ended up dead in that fiasco.
They had helicopter surveillance on the car, and could have simply followed it to their residence. Then surrounded the place. Instead there were so many empty cases on the ground when it was all over, people were falling down stepping on them.
Now this. All of this is a direct result of the FBI not wanting to coordinate and work with local law enforcement. There was zero reason for a shot to be fired in this case. This seems as though it will continue as long as accountants and lawyers carry guns and badges.
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This has always been an issue with the FBI. They're mostly lawyers and bookworms by trade..... Not gunfighters. They tend to make messes where none exist, all as a direct result of not being street savvy. This goes back to the mess at Little Bohemia, up in Wisconsin. When they shot up the place in the middle of the night, going after Dillinger and his gang. They ended up killing 2 innocent guys who worked in the area. And were only there because they both stopped in for a drink after working late.
Then there was the now infamous, "The Kansas City Massacre" with the shootout and murder of four law enforcement officers and a criminal fugitive at the crowded Union Station railroad depot in Kansas City, Missouri in 1933..... After that there was the 1986 Miami shootout. That occurred because they chased 2 armed guys who liked to shoot, into a residential area and engaged them. While people were out walking their dogs and kids. It's a miracle no citizens ended up dead in that fiasco.
They had helicopter surveillance on the car, and could have simply followed it to their residence. Then surrounded the place. Instead there were so many empty cases on the ground when it was all over, people were falling down stepping on them.
Now this. All of this is a direct result of the FBI not wanting to coordinate and work with local law enforcement. There was zero reason for a shot to be fired in this case. This seems as though it will continue as long as accountants and lawyers carry guns and badges.
Indeed so, Bill, indeed so.
With the available technology today having a wild west shootout that gets the wrong folks killed is ridiculous at best. I honestly believe my former FBI friend mentioned above would agree with you.
Many of the critical decisions are made by higher-ups which gets the guys with boots on the ground in touchy situations where (as you mentioned) many are not trained for those specific situations.
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This has always been an issue with the FBI. They're mostly lawyers and bookworms by trade..... Not gunfighters. They tend to make messes where none exist, all as a direct result of not being street savvy. This goes back to the mess at Little Bohemia, up in Wisconsin. When they shot up the place in the middle of the night, going after Dillinger and his gang. They ended up killing 2 innocent guys who worked in the area. And were only there because they both stopped in for a drink after working late.
Then there was the now infamous, "The Kansas City Massacre" with the shootout and murder of four law enforcement officers and a criminal fugitive at the crowded Union Station railroad depot in Kansas City, Missouri in 1933..... After that there was the 1986 Miami shootout. That occurred because they chased 2 armed guys who liked to shoot, into a residential area and engaged them. While people were out walking their dogs and kids. It's a miracle no citizens ended up dead in that fiasco.
They had helicopter surveillance on the car, and could have simply followed it to their residence. Then surrounded the place. Instead there were so many empty cases on the ground when it was all over, people were falling down stepping on them.
Now this. All of this is a direct result of the FBI not wanting to coordinate and work with local law enforcement. There was zero reason for a shot to be fired in this case. This seems as though it will continue as long as accountants and lawyers carry guns and badges.
The first "armed" FBI agents were old Texas Rangers hired specifically to kill bad guys. The guy who shot Dillinger was one of them.
Miami area seems pretty rough on FBI.
Did they have enough agents left to make the arrest ?
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Re: Sunrise FL
Seemed like good agents trying to make a difference. I would like to know more about the tactics involved. 6am, in the dark? Any local LEOs with them? US Marshalls? Don't they normally serve federal warrants? Vests?
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The first "armed" FBI agents were old Texas Rangers hired specifically to kill bad guys. The guy who shot Dillinger was one of them.
Miami area seems pretty rough on FBI.
Did they have enough agents left to make the arrest ?
Don’t forget Hamer and Gault! Bonnie and Clyde!
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Re: Sunrise FL
Seemed like good agents trying to make a difference. I would like to know more about the tactics involved. 6am, in the dark? Any local LEOs with them? US Marshalls? Don't they normally serve federal warrants? Vests?
I believe that as well, Alf.
I think the agents actually doing work are there for the right reasons, but as I mentioned above the higher-ups screw the pooch by hamstringing the decision making.
It has always been my understanding that feds have to clear operations with (at a minimum) the high sheriff of a county. I imagine in certain jurisdictions there is a good bit of posturing and pissing contests going on also....which hampers the guys trying to get good things done.
Also we have to remember (and this is from a credible source) that in the particular area of sex trafficking and child pornography these predators are harder to catch and tip-offs from insiders is a threat so different tactics are sometimes used.
As of late, child trafficking, child exploitation and similar crimes are a primary caseload for a good portion of the FBI. I know they conducted several multi-state sting operations that resulted in hundreds of arrests and the recovery of a good many missing persons. One of the latest stings was directed at a large child abduction and trafficking ring based out of central Georgia.
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The only time I have ever wanted to physically hurt some one was when he stopped a ship coming in from China and they had 200 is young girls for sex slaves aboard. It was very hard not wanting to turn the m2 on them.
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Don’t forget Hamer and Gault! Bonnie and Clyde!
FBI had nothing to do with that.
In fact, Hoover refused the case.
Hamer was never associated with the FBI and wasn't even a Ranger when he murdered Bonnie and Clyde.
He was simply a private person hired by another private person who happened to run the Texas Prison system.
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FBI had nothing to do with that.
In fact, Hoover refused the case.
Hamer was never associated with the FBI and wasn't even a Ranger when he murdered Bonnie and Clyde.
He was simply a private person hired by another private person who happened to run the Texas Prison system.
But they got the job done!
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But they got the job done!
No they didn't.
3/4s of the gang were either dead, like Buck, or on the run for Chicago like Red Hamilton.
The 2 horny half wits were just the last 2 left .
Don't you actually READ about this stuff ?
Or just repeat old tales ?
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I’m waiting on the Lifetime movie!
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I’m waiting on the Lifetime movie!
Your 10 years or so late on that.
Johnny Depp, Public enemies.
The BOOK is factual never watched the movie.
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I once butchered a whitetail with about as many holes in it as Bonnie Parker... I understand they had a tough time embalming those two!
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I’m waiting on the Lifetime movie!
Wasn't that the one with Beatty and Dunaway? :D :D :D
I preferred The Highwaymen.....might not be 100% (hardly any are) but it was probably closer to accurate than the above piece of garbage.
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Wasn't that the one with Beatty and Dunaway? :D :D :D
I preferred The Highwaymen.....might not be 100% (hardly any are) but it was probably closer to accurate than the above piece of garbage.
Honestly, Most people never heard of them before that.
I thought it was some kind of live remake of Bunny and Claude. ;D
They were both a couple loser nobodies until Hollywood made them famous.
Don't think they ever got more than a $500 in a robbery. They were to amateurish to do a bank like the real criminals.