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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: ronlday on February 09, 2021, 03:20:48 PM
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i have been wondering why they are still using primers. why have they not developed electric fired ammunition? electric fired squibs are used in rockets. i would think they could do some thing simlir with ammunition.
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i have been wondering why they are still using primers. why have they not developed electric fired ammunition? electric fired squibs are used in rockets. i would think they could do some thing simlir with ammunition.
I don't want a firearm that relies on electronics in any way. Too many chances of failures and/or unintended discharges. Electronics can and do fail and any firing system that uses electronics can be discharged by stray electromagnetic fields like radio transmissions and such. I don't think they would be safe. IMHO
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i have been wondering why they are still using primers. why have they not developed electric fired ammunition? electric fired squibs are used in rockets. i would think they could do some thing simlir with ammunition.
they did. Remington made bolt guns years ago. Also the atf said it must be a manually cycled gun or it would be a machinegun
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they did. Remington made bolt guns years ago. Also the atf said it must be a manually cycled gun or it would be a machinegun
Yes. It was called the Remington EtronX. It was a big flop that required special ammunition and primers for reloading. Both the guns and ammunition are now collectors items.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qP6Q9ZEsEo
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Yes. It was called the Remington EtronX. It was a big flop that required special ammunition and primers for reloading. Both the guns and ammunition are now collectors items.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qP6Q9ZEsEo
But they ARE out there.
Then there's this,
https://www.fieldandstream.com/pages/electrifying-muzzleloaders-cvas-new-electronic-ignition-system/
But really, it might not be an issue where muzzle loaders already require a cap .
But all you gain is faster lock time .
The average buyer doesn't give a crap, he just wants bullets,.
Preferably CHEAP bullets.
Crap,
Right now , ANY bullets.
HEY ! That reminds me.
The chiseling SOB at Belmont Firearms and Range has S&W Model 41 $1300 Fing dollars .
https://shop.belmontfirearms.com/handguns/semi-automatic-handguns/smith-wesson-mod-41-22-lr-55-101-wooden-target-wthumbrest-grip-adj-sight-blue
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I sense your question might be tongue-in-cheek.
Primers and ammo have proven quite stable and reliable. I'm not eager to try a new system, especially right now!
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I'm thinking I remember about several experimental "caseless" rounds the military experimented with
that used electric ignition. I want to say in the 70s or 80s. As I remember it was a triangular shaped "case", and fired flechets rather than a solid bullet. One of the gun magazines had an article about it and some field tests at Ft Benning.
Given the leaps in battery technology, I wouldn't be surprise if we might not see renewed interest.
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I have heard that the reason Remington made them was to improve accuracy. No moving parts to interfere with your hold. The fall of a striker does move your site picture ever so slightly
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I sense your question might be tongue-in-cheek.
Primers and ammo have proven quite stable and reliable. I'm not eager to try a new system, especially right now!
Especially not a "new to me" system from 30 years ago !
I'm thinking I remember about several experimental "caseless" rounds the military experimented with
that used electric ignition. I want to say in the 70s or 80s. As I remember it was a triangular shaped "case", and fired flechets rather than a solid bullet. One of the gun magazines had an article about it and some field tests at Ft Benning.
Given the leaps in battery technology, I wouldn't be surprise if we might not see renewed interest.
Alf, that would be the SALVO, and SPEW programs.
Sorry, this is a full playlist on those programs. Ian getting a work out on this subject ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfPZSxxPf1o&list=PL9e3UCcU00TTWo5LXggUVB3kufdJA8LGM
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i was wondering due to the shortage of ammo. and thinking part of that was due to ammo companies not getting primers in numbers they use to.
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i was wondering due to the shortage of ammo. and thinking part of that was due to ammo companies not getting primers in numbers they use to.
I seriously believe that it is simply a result of all the guns being bought.
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The Feds reported 20 million new gun owners last year, if they bought 100 rounds each that adds up to 2 billion rounds of ammo, Now that 100 rounds each doesn't last long so there are a lot of people buying more ammo than in previous years.Not to mention the hoarders and the scalpers that are buying more than they'll use in a lifetime.
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The Feds reported 20 million new gun owners last year, if they bought 100 rounds each that adds up to 2 billion rounds of ammo, Now that 100 rounds each doesn't last long so there are a lot of people buying more ammo than in previous years.Not to mention the hoarders and the scalpers that are buying more than they'll use in a lifetime.
The more ammo you have, the longer your "lifetime" is apt to be. ;D
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i was wondering due to the shortage of ammo. and thinking part of that was due to ammo companies not getting primers in numbers they use to.
Ammunition manufacturers (the major manufacturers) make the primers. Supply is being raped by demand.
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I sense your question might be tongue-in-cheek.
Primers and ammo have proven quite stable and reliable. I'm not eager to try a new system, especially right now!
Not really.
Ever since they've been invented they have been the most difficult to acquire part of the firing sequence.
If you have to, you can dig your own lead, and make black powder, but it takes special machinery beyond a shovel and fire to make primers.
The overwhelming popularity of European designed Boxer primers over American designed Berdan primers shows that reloadability has always been a major concern with US shooters.
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The overwhelming popularity of European designed Boxer primers over American designed Berdan primers shows that reloadability has always been a major concern with US shooters.
Thanks. I didn't know Berdan was an American design.
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Thanks. I didn't know Berdan was an American design.
Hiram Berdan, The coward who formed the 1st US Sharpshooters.
Hell of a shooter and arms designer, but he had a habit of leading from as far to the rear as he could get.
The primer design was just a side result with his other work .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0ivCTSTkzU