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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: TAB on October 07, 2021, 12:36:01 PM
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why is it that when it comes to gun, bow, tools/ what ever. there is only cheap crap, than very expensive stuff that is great. there is no middle ground.
i am looking for a hard sided bow case, there is the el cheapo planos for like $60 ones that have foam for $100 and the next step is a skb( which dont get me wrong, skb makes awesome stuff, i own 5 of thier cases already) at $400.
where is the case that does not suck for say $200???
PS tom, i will not start a company to build them.
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why is it that when it comes to gun, bow, tools/ what ever. there is only cheap crap, than very expensive stuff that is great. there is no middle ground.
i am looking for a hard sided bow case, there is the el cheapo planos for like $60 ones that have foam for $100 and the next step is a skb( which dont get me wrong, skb makes awesome stuff, i own 5 of thier cases already) at $400.
where is the case that does not suck for say $200???
PS tom, i will not start a company to build them.
Might be your best product.
In 2000 I worked a short time for a company in Hayward Ca. that was making Rifle, pistol, and shotgun cases of aluminum.
They had one low end punch press and a press brake.
The owner had a patent on a multi color anodize process .
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Aluminum diamond plate like a truck bed box would be easy to make. Takes a good welder who knows aluminum though. Hardware, etc from McMaster Carr or Grainger..
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Aluminum diamond plate like a truck bed box would be easy to make. Takes a good welder who knows aluminum though. Hardware, etc from McMaster Carr or Grainger..
Instead of diamond plate, get one of those CNC routers, or laser, and put scenes or logo's on them .
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I actually thought about 1/4" ply with frp and aluminum angle on the corners, but by the time I do all that I might as well buy the $4000 case.
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Laser cutting aluminum above 1/8” thick is a pain in the ass…. Router would be better…
25 years programming and running CO2 lasers…
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How do you deal with the taper you get when cutting thicker metals? Never delt with laser cut stuff, but lots of water jet and its a pita.
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Tolerance degrades as thickness increases. We cut up to 1” mild steel to +\- .030 and 1/2” SS to +\- .015! Sheet metal up to 11 ga, as close as +\- .005! Kerf is controlled by the G41 or G42 just like any WJ. Like water jet, you just have to compensate accordingly. For most weldments, these tolerances are fine.
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11 ga steal is nominally 1/8. thats very thin, qt least to what I am use too
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How do you deal with the taper you get when cutting thicker metals? Never delt with laser cut stuff, but lots of water jet and its a pita.
You scrap it because you got the measurements wrong. ;D
We never had any trouble on the punch press, which is by far, the fastest and easiest way.
Where problems showed up was forgetting, or reversing the "Bend Allowance", (Heard it called "R factor" in Ca. )
It's standard at half a material thickness per bend, but it's + in one direction and - in the other.
Also that standard assumes 90 degree bends. ;D
It's actually easy enough, you just have to pay attention.
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You scrap it because you got the measurements wrong. ;D
We never had any trouble on the punch press, which is by far, the fastest and easiest way.
Where problems showed up was forgetting, or reversing the "Bend Allowance", (Heard it called "R factor" in Ca. )
It's standard at half a material thickness per bend, but it's + in one direction and - in the other.
Also that standard assumes 90 degree bends. ;D
It's actually easy enough, you just have to pay attention.
25 years ago, I’d agree that a punch press was faster than a laser system. Since then, laser tech has advanced by leaps and bounds. Tolerance was the same regardless and punching metal over 1/4” mild steel was tough on tooling. When I started in the shop back in 96, we had two turret punches and a small Amanda laser. Today, they have only the two lasers remaining and the shop output is 400-500% more productive.
My last gig, we had just a crusty old punch/laser system the company bought used off of EBay. I convinced the management to invest in a 4KW Co2 laser system. They did and the shop throughput went up exponentially and our sales doubled! If the dipshit GM and Plant manager had placed the machine in a better location and installed the factory lift system, with the proper placement of raw materials, who knows?
Buying the right equipment and using it poorly is stupid. Another issue we faced was ignorant engineers that expected more than the equipment was designed to produce and belittling a competent operator when it didn’t produce what it was not designed to produce.
Moral of this? Most engineers are ignorant assholes…..
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You do know I was a structural engineer right? Most just know what the book says, many don't even know that. I was working for one the largest firms on the planet and had to explain to a project lead that torque to yield bolts can not be removed and reused. Its in the name dumb ass.... torque to yeild.
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Buying the right equipment and using it poorly is stupid. Another issue we faced was ignorant engineers that expected more than the equipment was designed to produce and belittling a competent operator when it didn’t produce what it was not designed to produce.
Moral of this? Most engineers are ignorant assholes…..
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That. ::)
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You do know I was a structural engineer right? Most just know what the book says, many don't even know that. I was working for one the largest firms on the planet and had to explain to a project lead that torque to yield bolts can not be removed and reused. Its in the name dumb ass.... torque to yeild.
Yes, I learned that in high school!
TAB, you’ve proven here for years that you’re the exception to the rule!
Starting at the bottom and working to an engineering position with no degree myself. I earned the respect of my management and subordinates alike!
Military service does that to a man!
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Yes, I learned that in high school!
TAB, you’ve proven here for years that you’re the exception to the rule!
Starting at the bottom and working to an engineering position with no degree myself. I earned the respect of my management and subordinates alike!
Military service does that to a man!
I think the difference is between "learning it", and "doing it"
You can design a bridge in a classroom and get the idea.
It's different when you need to get yourself across that river.
Neither Caesar or Patton used paperwork to cross the Rhine, they just used a SH!TLOAD of guys who knew how to build bridges. ;D
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That’s why one of the few charities I donate to is Mike Rowe Works! He’s given out $5,000,000 worth is scholarships for trade schools to try and fill the skills gap!
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where is the case that does not suck for say $200???
Right here. It even comes in colors:
https://www.harborfreight.com/9800-weatherproof-protective-rifle-case-long-black-64520.html?_br_psugg_q=apache+gun+case
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I've never looked at one of those Bill. If you are one of their club members, the price is only $120. I may look one over today...but they do look heavy at 22 lbs and I saw a couple of comments knocking the wheels and latches. I don't know what a similar Pelican case weighs, but there shouldn't be too much difference in weight?
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That’s why one of the few charities I donate to is Mike Rowe Works! He’s given out $5,000,000 worth is scholarships for trade schools to try and fill the skills gap!
You got a link to that ?
If I can put up with Patreon's BS to donate to C&Rsenal, and Forgotten Weapons then Mike Rowes site shouldn't baffle me.
It's one of the best causes and it never comes up when people talk about donations.
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You got a link to that ?
If I can put up with Patreon's BS to donate to C&Rsenal, and Forgotten Weapons then Mike Rowes site shouldn't baffle me.
It's one of the best causes and it never comes up when people talk about donations.
https://www.mikeroweworks.org/
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I've never looked at one of those Bill. If you are one of their club members, the price is only $120. I may look one over today...but they do look heavy at 22 lbs and I saw a couple of comments knocking the wheels and latches. I don't know what a similar Pelican case weighs, but there shouldn't be too much difference in weight?
They make a good case. I'm not sure if I already posted this, but I bought a CMMG AR-15 .22 Conversion kit. It came with 3 magazines in a cheap, crappy plastic blister pack. So I went to Harbor Freight and bought a small size Apache case for it. I only paid $30 bucks for it, and it worked out beautifully. Perfect size for the unit. The "pluckable" foam inserts are easy to work with.
(https://i.imgur.com/s8ZsdoM.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/fKBNj6b.jpg?1)
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https://www.mikeroweworks.org/
Thanks.
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Pelican runs about $275, depending on size, but you can get their private label, (Cabelas, etc.) for about $70 less.
Kalispel makes a great aluminum, but right now the only model I can find available is the double rifle for $325-$350. I have a single rifle that I often load up heavy, and it is darn near indestructible.