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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Rastus on September 18, 2023, 07:50:01 AM
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Liberty Safe gave the fbi the code to get into someone's safe. Whaddya' think about that?
Gun safe maker gives FBI customer’s safe access code; FBI raids home
SEPTEMBER 06, 2023 ELIZABETH LAWRENCE
Liberty Safe, a popular gun safe maker, gave one of its customer’s access codes to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) last week, the company revealed. The FBI requested......
Read more at the link below:
https://americanmilitarynews.com/2023/09/gun-safe-maker-gives-fbi-customers-safe-access-code-fbi-raids-home/ (https://americanmilitarynews.com/2023/09/gun-safe-maker-gives-fbi-customers-safe-access-code-fbi-raids-home/)
This was to get one of those J6 people.
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Troubling is the wave of cooperation from those who should least be cooperative. Such is the tendency as the disease of liberalism grows.
I don't know the command hierarchy at Liberty, but there have been several other industry companies that have made stupid choices...mostly due to younger progressive CEO's or some trying to placate the powers that be.
When it comes to safes, my large one is a Cannon and I have a Sentry fire safe for ammo.
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Liberty was not served with a court order. The safe owner chose not to open the safe for law enforcement. Law enforcement had other ways, yes destructive ways, to gain access to the safe. It was not Liberty’s responsibility to prevent damage to a safe they did not own.
So. Take note that Liberty (as do other manufactures) have a back door code to open their electronic locks. And that they’re willing to give such code away without justification.
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I'm sure that Liberty will face a law suit from the owner of the safe over this. It is a difficult situation, and I have read Liberty's reasoning. Their legal team has dealt with this, and this is not the first time they have provided the code. They have also refused to provide the code in many situations. My understanding is that their legal team follows a set of guidelines that starts with the safe owner being served a valid search warrant or not.
Bottom line to all of this is that this is the reason I will not ever purchase a security device that utilizes digital codes.
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Liberty was not served with a court order. The safe owner chose not to open the safe for law enforcement. Law enforcement had other ways, yes destructive ways, to gain access to the safe. It was not Liberty’s responsibility to prevent damage to a safe they did not own.
So. Take note that Liberty (as do other manufactures) have a back door code to open their electronic locks. And that they’re willing to give such code away without justification.
Yep.
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They did have a warrant to search the safe and he did refuse to open it. They were getting in one way or another.
Never liked electric safe anyways
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They did have a warrant to search the safe and he did refuse to open it. They were getting in one way or another.
Never liked electric safe anyways
True TAB, but it shouldn't be Liberty's decision. It's the owner's call whether to open it or let them tear it open.
And no. I've never trusted electronic locks, either.
I mean, just look at what happened at Nakatomi Plaza. ;)
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Alf you made me look up Nakaohoatachihomey Tower. Or however you spell it.
Good catch.
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While, online at least, most problems with safes have to do with electronic locks, mechanical ones have problems as well, though not very often.
S&G makes some internal wheels out of Delrin (Polyoxymethylene) which for all its qualities has been known to become brittle with age and break. Mines 40+ yo and I’ve never taken the cover off the door to see what it’s made of. Might be time
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Yeah I would check it! I'd also look at the drill point (if your safe has one) to break the glass release mechanism if you cannot get in. Some have those things but they never tell you where they are...however you can call and find out for a few $$$'s if you need to.
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While, online at least, most problems with safes have to do with electronic locks, mechanical ones have problems as well, though not very often.
S&G makes some internal wheels out of Delrin (Polyoxymethylene) which for all its qualities has been known to become brittle with age and break. Mines 40+ yo and I’ve never taken the cover off the door to see what it’s made of. Might be time
My Sentry has stamped steel wheels.
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Do any of you know if there are components to swap from electronic to mechanical exist and where to look for those? At one time I thought they were offered but that has been years ago. I have 2 large Cannon safes but would love to upgrade (downgrade) to a dial lock.
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Buy direct. Of course you have to identify which model fits your safe. Probably by the model of the existing lock.
https://sargentandgreenleaf.com/product/6700-series/ (https://sargentandgreenleaf.com/product/6700-series/)
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Appears to take you to Amazon which says Not Available. However, with a little searching I found other listings. Not cheap. ~$150+/-
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Not cheap. ~$150+/-
Cheaper than a new $1200.00 PLUS safe.
Thanks for the info.
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I have two of the A series electronic locks from these guys: https://sargentandgreenleaf.com/gun-safe-locks/ (https://sargentandgreenleaf.com/gun-safe-locks/)
They also have mechanical locks for replacement.
I don't know if either have a "code" embedded in it from the company that they are able to supply to "prying eyes". I wonder about that. The two electronic locks have both been encoded with my code....but that doesn't say that there isn't something in there from the factory that will override and open them. Same thing with mechanical?
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https://www.westernjournal.com/liberty-safe-scandal-parent-company-exposed-major-donor-gun-control-democrats-report/
From The Western Journal and edited:
1) Liberty Safe, which describes itself as “America’s #1 heavy-duty home and GUN SAFE manufacturer,” has come under fire after a report revealed that its parent company (which bought Liberty Safe in 2021) has DONATED almost half a million dollars to pro-gun control democratic officials.
2) Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk shared FEC filings that show Liberty Safe’s parent company, Monomoy Capital Partners, has donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to democrats.
“I pulled the FEC reports on the company and found approximately $400,000 over the last 10 cycles of max donations to Democrats,” Kirk wrote.
“Liberty Safe’s current CEO, Justin Hillenbrand, was a founding partner of Monomoy and DONATED $4,600 to Obama for America,” Kirk added.
3) Kirk’s report comes as Liberty Safe is already facing FIERCE backlash for GIVING the FBI the passcode to a conservative customer’s safe, although there was NO legal requirement to do so.
4) Among the many donations listed, the most notable were to Democratic Sens. Raphael Warnock of Georgia, John Fetterman of Pennsylvania and Mark Kelly of Arizona, and former Lt. Gov. Mandela Barnes of Wisconsin – all of whom have expressed support for gun control.
And, here's the damage control part......... ::) ::)
Meanwhile, Liberty Safe has attempted to recover from the backlash by announcing that customers can now remove their safe’s passcodes from Liberty Safe’s database of combinations.
“Effective immediately, customers can visit www.libertysafe.com/pages/combination-removal and fill out the form to have records of their access codes expunged,” Liberty Safe said in a statement shared on X.
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Peg that for sure ices them down....
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Meanwhile, Liberty Safe has attempted to recover from the backlash by announcing that customers can now remove their safe’s passcodes from Liberty Safe’s database of combinations.
Too little , too late Liberty.
You stepped on your wedding tackle wearing spikes and NOW you want to make nice with gun owners. (Those campaign contributions seal the deal fully)
It was solely the safe owners choice to make the Feebs do the work, not Liberty’s, it wasn’t even *their* safe anymore! Someone else owned it.
Welcome to being the Bud Light of the safe world! Don’t forget to smile during your bankruptcy filing.
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Just putting it our there.. I need a new safe. If any one wants to sell their liberty cheap...
I won't buy one new, but I sure as he'll would buy it used
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Just putting it our there.. I need a new safe. If any one wants to sell their liberty cheap...
I won't buy one new, but I sure as he'll would buy it used
A lot of folks are selling their liberty cheap these days.......but that's another thread..... 8)
Now, back to safes........