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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Rastus on September 30, 2024, 04:12:12 PM
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Biden, et.al., is acting somewhat either vindictive or are extorting the dems before the election. Biden says he will not invoke Taft-Hartley to stop the strike. So yeah, why not? So what might you need to get by?
If you like bananas you better buy some dried ones to get by.
Foreign fruits or veggies you like fresh settle on getting some canned ones.
Anything you were going to buy in the near future associated with electronics or Christmas gifts...would be good to get now.
I am getting tires this week that I was going to wait a couple of months until November...
Chocolates for Christmas.
Imported liquor.
Buying a car...especially a foreign one in the next few months...get it sooner. US made cars will not go at a discount off sticker if this hits.
Anything imported you need....you may want to have a spare or two.
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Capt Jack Sparrow:
Rum. Why is it always the rum?
Whiskey actually. I assume whiskey will be okay. AMERICAN whiskey. Don't drink that Canadian stuff, since they cheated on us during prohibition.
Got an extra TV. Ham radio's working fine. Have extra Arduino chips as well. Most of what we buy food wise is at least N. American. I can live on peaches and peanuts for quite a while. Apples are about ready to pick, though I don't know what happened to the NC/SC/E.TN crops, we have a substantial local crop of them in N. GA
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I have more than I weigh in elk meat in the freezer. I am not worried.
Let them strike. They only really hurt thenselves
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Let them strike. They only really hurt thenselves
No, they will hurt everyone, and by "they" I mean the shippers as well as the union. The shippers made huge profits over the past 4-5 years, profits (not revenue) in the billions of $$$. Plus they are making profits with the red Sea/Suez all but closed by the Houthis. The ILA wants a piece of that action, as well as a reduction in automation in the docks (I dislike this one very much).
There is a video running around where the ILA head, Harold Daggett (who is the very epitome of a tattooed, gruff talking longshoreman) talking about crippling "them". He plainly describes what will happen over the next four weeks to availability and prices of goods on the shelf.
As for Biden, there is a thought moving through the ether that he is doing this to kill "da hoe" and her chances at the polls. He is seriously that pissed at being unceremoniously shoved aside - and forgotten! Or maybe it's Jill pulling his strings, don't know.
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No, they will hurt everyone, and by "they" I mean the shippers as well as the union. The shippers made huge profits over the past 4-5 years, profits (not revenue) in the billions of $$$. Plus they are making profits with the red Sea/Suez all but closed by the Houthis. The ILA wants a piece of that action, as well as a reduction in automation in the docks (I dislike this one very much).
There is a video running around where the ILA head, Harold Daggett (who is the very epitome of a tattooed, gruff talking longshoreman) talking about crippling "them". He plainly describes what will happen over the next four weeks to availability and prices of goods on the shelf.
As for Biden, there is a thought moving through the ether that he is doing this to kill "da hoe" and her chances at the polls. He is seriously that pissed at being unceremoniously shoved aside - and forgotten! Or maybe it's Jill pulling his strings, don't know.
don't you remember what happened to the port of seattle?
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Another group wanting income, benefits, wealth and future, but are unwilling to exhibit the work ethic that goes with it.
Not apologizing for any toes I step on. I'm tired of listening to people around my current home whine about only getting 7% raises, only having three or four weeks of vacation, being required to go to the office (classroom) to work and being expected to actually work more than 40 hours per week, either weekly or occasionally.
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don't you remember what happened to the port of seattle?
No. What?
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No. What?
about 10 years ago they went on strike, 80% of the ports business was one company. They said fu and went to a different port. Most of the long shore man got laid off.
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about 10 years ago they went on strike, 80% of the ports business was one company. They said fu and went to a different port. Most of the long shore man got laid off.
As it should be.
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Some of us (Lowly little me and a few high power businessmen i have become friends with) have been following this. The demands are for $5 per hour pay increase per year for six years, no automated gates, no automated crane functions, and no automated transports in the yards. I watched and listened to these highly successful men reason it out. These men grew business from nothing to annual sales ranging from $750 million to $1.25 billion. They did this while keeping the unions out. Their labor strategy was to pay above union scale, have superior benefits to union, and offer overtime (big pay bonus for people who have a work ethic).
These men came up with a plan:
1. Offer a three-year contract with $10 per hour increase.
2. No automation additions to operations.
Now the kicker:
1. Automated gates, container tracking and vehicle tracking is available. Day one of year four all tracking, inventory, and access is automated.
2. Day one through month 6 of year four, all cranes are fitted with automated control and readers for RFID and/or bar codes.
3. Day one through month 3 of year four, all yard tractors are replaced with automated that will pickup empty chassis, move to be loaded with container, and move the chassis to the pickup lot.
4. Longshoremen will be offered the opportunity to modernize and grow with the companies, or they will be offered a small severance package to assit in vocational retraining or to aid in moving out of town.
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Just leaving this here
https://nypost.com/2024/10/01/business/who-is-harold-daggett-the-port-union-boss-with-alleged-mafia-ties/ (https://nypost.com/2024/10/01/business/who-is-harold-daggett-the-port-union-boss-with-alleged-mafia-ties/)
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Just leaving this here
https://nypost.com/2024/10/01/business/who-is-harold-daggett-the-port-union-boss-with-alleged-mafia-ties/ (https://nypost.com/2024/10/01/business/who-is-harold-daggett-the-port-union-boss-with-alleged-mafia-ties/)
Maybe someone needs to arrange a meeting with Jimmy Hoffa for him!
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about 10 years ago they went on strike, 80% of the ports business was one company. They said fu and went to a different port. Most of the long shore man got laid off.
LOL. Well, that didn't go the way they expected.
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Some of us (Lowly little me and a few high power businessmen i have become friends with) have been following this. The demands are for $5 per hour pay increase per year for six years, no automated gates, no automated crane functions, and no automated transports in the yards. I watched and listened to these highly successful men reason it out. These men grew business from nothing to annual sales ranging from $750 million to $1.25 billion. They did this while keeping the unions out. Their labor strategy was to pay above union scale, have superior benefits to union, and offer overtime (big pay bonus for people who have a work ethic).
These men came up with a plan:
1. Offer a three-year contract with $10 per hour increase.
2. No automation additions to operations.
Now the kicker:
1. Automated gates, container tracking and vehicle tracking is available. Day one of year four all tracking, inventory, and access is automated.
2. Day one through month 6 of year four, all cranes are fitted with automated control and readers for RFID and/or bar codes.
3. Day one through month 3 of year four, all yard tractors are replaced with automated that will pickup empty chassis, move to be loaded with container, and move the chassis to the pickup lot.
4. Longshoremen will be offered the opportunity to modernize and grow with the companies, or they will be offered a small severance package to assit in vocational retraining or to aid in moving out of town.
:o Their $30/hour pay INCREASE is more than my PAY ever was. That's ridiculous. Labor unions have done a lot of good, but if I owned a business and someone came to me with that demand, I'd replace them. Not everyone can sit at home and get paid to do nothing like they did with the COVID "free money" that was going around. The people who are still willing to work would take those jobs and be happy to have them.
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:o Their $30/hour pay INCREASE is more than my PAY ever was. That's ridiculous. Labor unions have done a lot of good, but if I owned a business and someone came to me with that demand, I'd replace them. Not everyone can sit at home and get paid to do nothing like they did with the COVID "free money" that was going around. The people who are still willing to work would take those jobs and be happy to have them.
Keep in mind what these very successful businessmen are planning with their statements. The carrot on the stick is the three $10 raises. The masses will go for it, borrow against their future wealth, and dream of their next time at the table demanding more. However, this three year period will allow technology to be put in place and be tested (the frog in the pot). At the end of the period the trimming of fat and replacement of workers will take place. Technology will demand that workers have more skills to operate the systems rather than sweating. Yes, people will be paid much more, but many people will be left behind because they refused to grow with the changes. Efficiency and productivity will pay for these higher paid and higher skilled workers who moved along with the company.
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What you said, Mike, reminds me of situations I've seen. Instead of a $1,000 per year bonus for 10 years, most people will take a $5,000 signing bonus. Or even $2,000. Something like that. It's what GM used to do. I don't know if they still do, but probably so.
"Not all people are stupid all of time, but most people are stupid most of the time." - Big Frank :)
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They are asking for a 62% pay increase over 5 years....
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They are asking for a 62% pay increase over 5 years....
And refusing to let the company do anything to improve efficiency and productivity. Latest, they are getting a chunk of their pay increase, but automation discussions are tabled until mid-January. Ports open, and both sides betting on which way the election will go.
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Under the tentative new agreement, workers will earn a 61.5% raise over six years. That means the highest paid workers would make $63 per hour in the final year of the contract, up from $39. I thought only whores made that kind of money. It looks like I was right. ;) I think they'll all be out of work when the contract is up.
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I am all for people getting paid a loving wage, but that for what amounts to truck drivers and fork lift "operators" is nuts.
Now the crane guys unloading the ships do make big bucks, but it's also very hard to get into and you can be fired for 1 bad day.
Even some of the most skilled excuvator operators in things like pipe/utilities/ mining don't make that. Not even close.
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What TAB said. I do think, however, that land based crane operators are overrated and I do understand they can be fired for 1 bad day.
Just for a little different perspective... Back years ago and it continues today that if you worked on an offshore platform you pretty much had to be a crane operator. Certainly if there were only 2-3 people operating a platform they all had to be certified crane operators. There are a lot of platforms in the Gulf of Mexico where I worked....and a whole lot more crane operators...thousands and thousands and thousands of them. Most of the crane operators have the highest certification to lift not only equipment, but men as well. Man certification is the highest certification and that is a certification that I held.
Yes, the dockworker crane operators are lifting things from a big boat and putting them on a truck, train or whatever on a dock. But the boat is stationary and offshore the boat is not. From an offshore platform the boat is moving with waves and wind and picking up a load is far more challenging an dangerous than from a stationary ship to a dock somewhere. Imagine if you haven't lived it, rigging up a load in 12-15' seas with the boat heaving up and down, while the boat is being pushed side to side along with a simultaneous roll...and there are people that are around and under the load because of boat movement dynamics. You have to time your lift and adjust your block to a level (elevation) where you pick up 100% of load weight at the top of the wave without snatching a crane overboard with you the operator...which happens. Then you need to lift the thing quickly because the boat may have moved some crew under your load so you have to pick it up enough and swing it clear before the boat rises on the next wave and crushes the hookup crew.
You have to be cognizant of your boom angle because that determines how much of the maximum lift rating you can have. A 40 ton crane is rated at that when nearly straight up....but boomed down to say 30 degrees from horizontal you may only be able to pick up 12 tons. So while you are dealing with boat dynamics and are concerned to keep personnel safe you must stay cognizant of that boom angle...or you can crater a boom and drop a load through a deck....and sometimes be pulled down with it. The container land operator guys don't have these kind of things to constantly deal with. And it seems they get paid more than offshore operators.....with better bennies....