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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: PegLeg45 on June 23, 2025, 04:34:48 PM
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Hopefully things keep moving forward.
UPDATE from GoA:
"Byrd Bath" arguments will take place before the Senate Parliamentarian today for GOA-backed language to gut the NFA.
Senate GOP members will (correctly) argue the:
1️⃣National Firearms Act is an excise tax,
2️⃣tax repeal is budgetary, &
3️⃣NFA repeal passes the Byrd Rule.
We might actually see suppressors SBS, AoW and SBR's as regular purchase items soon.
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I sure hope so. I have visited this subject recently but have not been keeping up with it day by day.
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I'm gonna get real cynical here. MacDonough (the parliamentarian) is a rabid Obamarxist. The parliamentarian serves at the pleasure of the Majority Leader and can be dismissed for any reason at all or none whatsoever. Why hasn't Thune fired her? Why didn't McConnell fire her?
I believe for one very simple reason. When your voters are demanding you do something you REALLY don't wanna do, a parliamentarian becomes a convenient shield to hide behind. "Sorry, Senate rules, nothing we can do..." then the standard Republicrat Three-Step* of "give us all your money and get us 60 votes and We'll GIt 'Em Next Time Fer Shur".
Then if it gets past that, it'll be used as a disposable bargaining chip where each side will agree to throw it out while blaming the other. More of the Standard Republicrat Three-Step...
*Republicrat Three-Step:
1. Drop trou.
2. P*ss in our face.
3. Tell us it's raining.
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That's a good possibility, Red....everybody gets cheese and we get snapped on the back of the neck.
GOA and six other gun rights organizations issued a joint statement urging the U.S. Senate to continue to fight to gut the National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA) despite the Parliamentarian’s egregiously incorrect ruling that NFA excise taxes cannot be repealed using the budget reconciliation process.
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From Kevin's FB page
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Kevin who?
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How soon we forget. Zero to Hero star, now gun writer extraordinaire, Kevin Creighton
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How soon we forget. Zero to Hero star, now gun writer extraordinaire, Kevin Creighton
I enjoy his sense of humor. When the wheels in his head start to spin sideways, what comes out is all the stupid stuff we see and do.
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OK. I don't have a lot of reading time these days. Things to do on the farm....
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Half the Republicans are grabbing their ankles right now but Congressman Andrew Clyde is trying to amend the OBBB for a 2A win.....probably just grandstanding......
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Well, not a 'victory'...but a small win. Still have to fill out useless paperwork, but this should eliminate the extra $200 tax. It should quicken turnaround...if that's even a thing any longer. Guys on the ASA FB page were reporting 24-48 hour approval after submitting via kiosks in the store.
One of my neighbors just opened a new gun store three miles from my house and is approved for suppressors, so now might be the time.
American Suppressor Association:
🚨BREAKING🚨
Senate votes to ELIMINATE unconstitutional NFA tax on suppressors!
Our mission to fully repeal the draconian NFA tax regime is far from over, but today we celebrate this historic step towards dismantling the unconstitutional NFA!
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Well, not a 'victory'...but a small win. Still have to fill out useless paperwork, but this should eliminate the extra $200 tax. It should quicken turnaround...if that's even a thing any longer. Guys on the ASA FB page were reporting 24-48 hour approval after submitting via kiosks in the store.
One of my neighbors just opened a new gun store three miles from my house and is approved for suppressors, so now might be the time.
Two different lawsuits in the pipe. One FPC/NRA/SAF, the other FRAC/GOA/PSA. If Jamin McCallum at PSA cn get this done and get cans to-my-door in WA with no annual BATFascist jackboot in my grill and will stock something like Ruger Silent-SR or Gemtech Mist-22, he's got my first can buy.
https://www.firearmspolicy.org/fpc-coalition-of-pro-2a-orgs-to-file-nfa-lawsuit?utm_campaign=0703_nfalawsuit&utm_medium=email&utm_source=firearmspolicycoalition
https://x.com/gunowners/status/1940842476132356264?s=46
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if the hughes amendment went away, it would be so much better....
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if the hughes amendment went away, it would be so much better....
True, but the game here was the relatively easy sells first.
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Pessimistic thought of the day.
While the tax may have dropped to zero on NFA items, the Bureaucrats will insist that it doesn’t matter. They must still follow all procedures. All paper work, approval processes and stamps must be as before. Theyll also probably try to tack on a processing fee.
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All paperwork, approval processes and stamps must be as before. Theyll also probably try to tack on a processing fee.
It was pushed past the Parliamentarian because it was a tax, but years ago they have learned that fees can be tacked on and they can be justified to get around the constitutional complaint.
Since the fee isn't a tax, the director of the agency can put it in place by saying they are just covering the cost of conducting the background check without increasing taxes on those who don't participate.
Since it is a fee that pays for the costs of transferring the item only, it is not a tax that requires House action or can be argued as a hurdle in exercising a protected right.
Since agencies can do so much internally and under wraps it takes vigilance to hold them in check. That is why those looking to strip rights love agencies.
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It was pushed past the Parliamentarian because it was a tax, but years ago they have learned that fees can be tacked on and they can be justified to get around the constitutional complaint.
Since the fee isn't a tax, the director of the agency can put it in place by saying they are just covering the cost of conducting the background check without increasing taxes on those who don't participate.
Since it is a fee that pays for the costs of transferring the item only, it is not a tax that requires House action or can be argued as a hurdle in exercising a protected right.
Since agencies can do so much internally and under wraps it takes vigilance to hold them in check. That is why those looking to strip rights love agencies.
This is how we ended up with Obamacare. Chief Justice Roberts said it was a fee...not a tax. It drives me crazy how they play on words and think they are so damned cute and smart.
Fee Fee Fee
Bull$hit
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When you think about it, the loss of $200 tax stamp will open up the market to innovation. For both cans and sbrs. Why would you want to buy an inexpensive can when you have to pay say 50% of the cost in a tax stamp. It would also make me want to try some shorter barrels on ars. The tax is more than a lot of barrels. Not to mention it would let you try different muzzle devices on 14.5" barrels as they won't have to be pinned and welded. It also would allow you to try different attachments for cans. I have a few ars that are built from the exact same parts minus a muzzle device so I can run different cans. It's stupid.
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Also opens up home built cans for a lot less money too. Homemade suppressors are legal as long as you did the paperwork, paid the tax, and engraved the can. I know folks who could build functional cans for less then fifty bucks, but then had to pay the two hundred on top. While that is way cheap for a suppressor, fifty is cheaper now than two-fifty.