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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Rastus on October 11, 2008, 08:43:17 AM
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I've noticed a drop in some 5.56 and .308 prices in the last couple of weeks. I ordered 1,000 rounds of 5.56 this week for $350...loaded by a manufacturer that loads NATO XM193...they called it XM193 spec without the head stamp.
On the other hand, I spent an extra $ or so on 100 rounds of Winchester white box 9MM ball at Wally's World yesterday.
We're still way high on prices right now but I'm thinking we may have turned the corner on ammo prices.
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.308? Where?
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Wal-Mart's ammo prices are horrible.... so is their inventory.
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.308? Where?
Sorry about that Haz....I was supposed to send you that. Now, the prices have dropped...they still aren't cheap.
http://www.wideners.com/ $230 for 500 rounds of new South African & 45 cents per round for 480 rds 7.55 Swiss
http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalog1/index.php/cName/super-incendiary-raufoss Special .308 and other ammo for states where you can own it....that would not be you Haz
http://www.natchezss.com/ammo.cfm?contentID=ammoGroup&ammoGroup=1&ammoSize=246
http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/308_Ammunition.html
http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/ammunition_requirements.html
http://www.ammo4guns.com/RIFLE_AMMO.html
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Thanks, buddy! 230 for 500 ain't bad!
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Thanks, buddy! 230 for 500 ain't bad!
Yeah...I thought not. I just happened to catch that in my eye whilst perusing for 5.56. Now...if I could just get that AR-10 I want....
Eric...I agree on many things about Wally being high. But for new bulk ball ammo in they have the best store price around...reloads and mail order may be cheaper, but I can't beat it for a walk in for bulk ball ammo or...really, any of the white box Winchester or bulk 22 ammo for that matter. Turn me on to something cheap that's new not a reload...I need it. I want to avoid the Post-Apocalyptic (sp) buying on November 5.
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I agree about Wally World prices. I buy Winchester white box .45 acp for 29'ish a 100. Bass Pro wants 35'ish for the same stuff, and local gun stores are even worse.
Brian
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I agree about Wally World prices. I buy Winchester white box .45 acp for 29'ish a 100. Bass Pro wants 35'ish for the same stuff, and local gun stores are even worse.
Brian
Yup. That Bass Pro thing is cool to visit and they have some neat things to buy....but when it comes to shooting they only compete with their specials.
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Wally World is cheap no doubt, but remember, your local gun shop is supporting local business and we all know where Wally's money ends up.
I buy .45 ball from the guy and his wife up the street for two reasons. He's a small business who's doing the American Dream thing and there is something to be said for a beautiful, smart woman who's packin' heat!
I get Winchester .45 ball for about 35/100 and cheaper on the foreign brands like Sellier & Bellot, MagTech or UMC. My Para will eat anything regardless of what I feed it.
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Thanks, buddy! 230 for 500 ain't bad!
The PMP ammo is pretty good.
I bought 10 boxes from Sportsman's guide a few years ago (don't think they have it now) and shoot it in my A-Bolt.
Accuracy is good.
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Wally World is cheap no doubt, but remember, your local gun shop is supporting local business and we all know where Wally's money ends up.
I get my wwb from Walmart. Honestly I don't give a damn about local guy if he treats me like an idiot. Just came back from the gun show. Most of the vendors are local gun shop owners. Most of them selling the same wwb 9mm for $15, this is $5 pemium compare to Walmart.
There are only few who don't jack up the price and the do get my business. I make my money the old fashion way - I earn them.
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I get my wwb from Walmart. Honestly I don't give a damn about local guy if he treats me like an idiot. Just came back from the gun show. Most of the vendors are local gun shop owners. Most of them selling the same wwb 9mm for $15, this is $5 pemium compare to Walmart.
There are only few who don't jack up the price and the do get my business. I make my money the old fashion way - I earn them.
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I believe in patronizing the 'hometown' stores as much as possible, but not at the expense of common sense....(or crooks).
A friend in another town knew a gunstore owner that went to Wally-World a few days before deer season one year and bought up their supply of standard hunting loads ('06, 30-30, .242, etc). Knowing that many hunters wait until the 'last minute' to buy ammo and licenses, he took it back to his store and marked it up 30%, knowing if wally was out, they would come to him.
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There are jackasses in every business, but I also know that the little guy can't buy product for the same cost that a place like Walmart can buy, in fact, Walmart might make the little guys price go up even higher since they twist the supplier's arm so hard- they have to make it up somewhere.
PLUS, if you consider that a local guy is putting his money back in your community, maybe employing a couple of people, whatever...
Walmart beats the crap out of everyone they deal with, and I won't shop there unless I have NO choice...
If your local guy is helpful and a decent guy, it's worth a few extra bucks to help him stay in business. When there's no one left but Walmart, THEN see how much they charge you.
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There are jackasses in every business, but I also know that the little guy can't buy product for the same cost that a place like Walmart can buy, in fact, Walmart might make the little guys price go up even higher since they twist the supplier's arm so hard- they have to make it up somewhere.
PLUS, if you consider that a local guy is putting his money back in your community, maybe employing a couple of people, whatever...
Walmart beats the crap out of everyone they deal with, and I won't shop there unless I have NO choice...
If your local guy is helpful and a decent guy, it's worth a few extra bucks to help him stay in business. When there's no one left but Walmart, THEN see how much they charge you.
+1 AND THEN SOME...There are sharks everywhere you look, like an auto mechanic, once you find someone you can trust, stick with em!
My Bro-in-law manages a Wally World and I wouldn't buy a used car from him...!!! >:(
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There are jackasses in every business, but I also know that the little guy can't buy product for the same cost that a place like Walmart can buy, in fact, Walmart might make the little guys price go up even higher since they twist the supplier's arm so hard- they have to make it up somewhere.
PLUS, if you consider that a local guy is putting his money back in your community, maybe employing a couple of people, whatever...
Walmart beats the crap out of everyone they deal with, and I won't shop there unless I have NO choice...
If your local guy is helpful and a decent guy, it's worth a few extra bucks to help him stay in business. When there's no one left but Walmart, THEN see how much they charge you.
Well Said !!!
I take this attitude with things I must buy, and support our local "Mom & Pop" whenever I can. And when it comes to my hobbies and fun, if I can't support my friends and neighbors I need to reevaluate my priorities.
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But when you only have ONE local gun store, and it charges exorbitant prices for ammo, and the only other place in town to buy ammo is wal-mart, sorry guys, I'm going to wal-mart.
$22.95 a box for ammo I can get at wallys for $12.95 is too high.
An old man that used to run a family gun shop in my town for years (before passing on) sold his ammo dirt cheap (nearly at cost). He told me he made his living off the sale of the guns and gear, not ammo. He said that when people were looking for guns, many also asked what the cost to shoot them was. If ammo was too high, it cut down on gun sales. He told me he had saw people pay way more money for a rifle because the ammo was cheap. When the old man died and the son took over, guess what, he jacked up ammo prices. Two years later the shop was gone. I know it might have been other poor business decisions that led to closing, but it didn't help.
Heck, I'd love there to be some competition among gun stores, but we only have one...so he's got the market cornered, for now.
I do a lot of business with him...just not ammo...and I was honest with him and told him why. Heck, my wife let me buy an $800 rifle and scope combo from him for my anniversary.....so he don't give a rat's ass that I buy my ammo from wally-world.
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This is turning into a great little debate about big-box retail vs local guns shops.....
Might I interject:
I can see the importance of buying ammo where ever it is cheapest, and that is how I also shop, BUT there really is a greater good being served by helping to keep those local gun shops in business. Wal-Mart may sell ammo and a limited assortment of firearms, but in my opinion Wal-Mart is not a friend of gun owners. They have already shown that they are only willing to sell certain firearms, certain ammo, and certain firearm accessories. They have also shown that they are more then willing to get on board with initiatives that compromise our 2nd amendment rights and hinder the firearms industry as a whole.
See past discussions:
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=2008.0
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=2007.0
In my opinion, it is vital that we help to keep full service gun shops open and profitable. These places represent something greater then just a place to buy ammo or some hunting/shooting gear. They represent an uncompromising way to exercise our constitutional rights. Not everyone has a big box outfitter like Bass Pro, Cabela's, or Sportsman's Warehouse within driving distance, so we must make sure that our local community gun shop is not priced out of business by big box retailers or internet storefronts.
Wal-Mart has put other mom and pop stores out of business before, and mostly it has proven to be a natural evolution in which consumers benefit. If Wal-Mart prices the mom and pop gun stores out of business, then the consumers lose. All of the Wal-Marts where I live will not sell me a handgun and I dont have a FFL, so if the local gun stores go out of business I would have to drive halfway across my state to buy one at a Sportsman's Warehouse - wouldnt the Democrats consider that disenfranchisement?
We are outraged that Obama wants to tax us out of ammo and handguns, but why are we not as outraged over Wal-Mart doing it by default through buying power and low prices?
Look, I know the importance of saving a buck or two or five, but all that I am saying here is that there is a greater good being served. I think it is becoming harder and harder for gun shops to stay in business and be profitable, and contributing to those who give us a viable and accessible source for guns, ammo, and gear is of the utmost importance. There are other effective ways to use your money to protect our right to bear arms other then just giving it to the NRA.
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Look, I'm in total agreement concerning the 'Local"guy versus Wally-World....it's just sometimes you don't have much to work with.
Now, based on some arguments:
In my opinion, it is vital that we help to keep full service gun shops open and profitable. These places represent something greater then just a place to buy ammo or some hunting/shooting gear. They represent an uncompromising way to exercise our constitutional rights. Not everyone has a big box outfitter like Bass Pro, Cabela's, or Sportsman's Warehouse within driving distance, so we must make sure that our local community gun shop is not priced out of business by big box retailers or internet storefronts.
Wouldn't these large sporting goods stores also serve to put mom & pop's out of business too?
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Wouldn't these large sporting goods stores also serve to put mom & pop's out of business too?
Yes, and that is fine. That is just a natural evolution in a free market.
The most important thing is that you still have accessibility to purchasing firearms of all types. If there is a Bass Pro, Cabela's, or Sportsman's Warehouse, etc. within driving distance then your ability to obtain handguns, ARs, high capacity mags, or anything else not available at Wal-Mart b/c of their corporate policies has not been compromised.
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Well Wideners just got 246.00 from me for 500 rnds of .308.
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There are eighteen super Wally Worlds within thirty minutes of where I live and none of them sell firearms anymore. With the exception of a few other stores, they have put most everyone out of business in our town so in some respects, I have no other choice but to cave in and shop there. Their ammo inventory is really pathetic anyway...
On the Bass Pro front, we have but one and they charge retail for all of their firearms and will not reduce the price unless the manufacturer allows them to do so! That leaves the local guy up the street for me. He and his lovely wife were more than willing to reduce the price if I paid cash and were several hundred dollars under the MSRP for my pistols and gave me other discounts as well. Since they opened last August, myself, my daughter and her boyfriend have bought five handguns from them and will continue to do so in the future.
I guess we are one of the lucky ones but there are several gun shops near me that I won't even walk into because of the way they do business.
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Wal-Mart is the only company I know of that's been sued for breaking anti-slavery laws in the 21st century IN THE U.S. If anyone needs another reason not to shop there, is forcing your fellow Americans to work without pay a good enough reason? I shop everywhere except Wal-Mart.
I used to get some ammo mail-order from CheapShot but I think they went out of business. Now I go to several local stores, and get it from places like Sportsman's Guide too, except for .357 Maximum. I got most of that at Reed's Ammo, and don't remember where I got the other brand.
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.45 Long Colt, never goes down >:( :( :-\ :'(
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Well Wideners just got 246.00 from me for 500 rnds of .308.
Good deal Haz...glad you saved a few $$$$'s.
Can we get back on track with the thread...notice a drop in prices for ammo lately....not that I'm opposed to pickin' on Wally but have you noticed prices softening for ammo lately?
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NO.
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I would rather pay $100 for brick of 22s then step foot in walmart... they are evil. I mean evil.
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Ras,
I don't buy .223 but it seems that that is certainly coming down, as is 50 bmg.
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Nope >:(
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I buy my guns from the little guys, but ammo from wherever is cheapest. If the little guy is close in price, I will pay a little more, but most often the liitle guy is nowhere close on ammo. On common calibers WalMart is hard to beat, but only the little guy has 8mm Mauser, .303 British, etc.
I do buy my reloading bullets from little guys online.
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Can we get back on track with the thread...notice a drop in prices for ammo lately....not that I'm opposed to pickin' on Wally but have you noticed prices softening for ammo lately?
In a word.....NO.
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No here too. And I know the metal markets are softening, and fuel prices are coming down. So by all rights prices should come down. But now that they have us paying these prices, they won't change it back. Someone will hold onto the savings rather than pass it on.
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if you watch the auctions on ammo it's still going up damn the bad luck :'(
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9mm Blazer Brass $10/ box of 50 This is the re loadable Blazer, I think .45 and .357 were the same price.
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1980's German Surplus $210/500rd. Thought this might get your claws out Haz. I think this is less than last week. That other you got was new SA, wasn't it?
http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/German_.308_NATO_147grn_FMJ.html
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Yeah, the stuff I bought is new PMP.
The only thing wrong with this is 'berdan primed'. You can't reload it.
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Yeah, the stuff I bought is new PMP.
The only thing wrong with this is 'berdan primed'. You can't reload it.
You can still get few bucks for it as scrap after you shoot it.
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But the PMP was all of $20 more and I can get it reloaded for cheap. My reloader (commercial) likes me!
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I was trying to look at the bright side. Like if you got bit but didn't need tetanus shots. ;)
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One of the bigger ammo dealers around told me ammo is going up! No sign of any drop in prices. Naturally, just when I plan to stock up.
Richard