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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: fullautovalmet76 on October 19, 2008, 01:15:38 PM
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I am disappointed but not surprised.
I saw the interview this morning on MTP. It is clear to me that this election isn't really about McCain vs. Obama, it really is about our core values as conservatives versus those of liberals (aka Progressives). Powell made it clear that he does not like what Sarah Palin, and by extension, the conservative base of the Republican party stands for.
I am reminded what a black friend once told me about black culture:
Keep in mind I grew up in the post-segregation South. I attended integrated schools all the way through high school in working class neighborhoods. My friend told me that black children are taught early on in their lives that they are to stick together. If they are forced to choose between a white person and a black person, they are to go with the black person to maintain solidarity. Powell's endorsement of Obama is an apt illustration in my opinion. The reasons he cites for supporting Obama are very flimsy and his criticism of McCain's campaign is very contrived.
I am also reminded about the presentation Powell made to the UN to set the stage for the Iraq war:
Maybe by endorsing Obama, he can put some distance between himself from that ill fated decision to go to war with Iraq. Now he can be seen as someone who is trying to fix the problem he helped create.
Watch for heavy ads from Obama campaign using Powell...
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I saw Powell on the news this morning talking about the tone of McCain's campaign including references to Obama being a Muslim, which I don't think McCain EVER said, reference to the war (of which he was the front man- the salesman) and other things. His comments didn't make much sense to me.
McCain's reply was that he was not surprised, but that he has the endorsements of four previous secretaries of state including James Baker and Henry Kissinger. Look for some of that in his coming ads.
For a guy who did so much for his country and SEEMS intelligent, how can he back a guy who is basically a show pony for the liberal democratic machine...a guy who has done nothing for his country. I respect Powell's service, but you have to wonder about what, if anything, is going on in his head.
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The first time I heard this it was all about the comparison with the economy, and he felt BHO would be better. However, as I hear more and more it just gets goofy. Powell should have shut up quick. It looks to me like he's been sucked into the twisted hype and emotions that are unfortunately shaping this race.
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Powell has a lot going for him...but he appears to have been an empty suit that eloquently spoke of tactics and plans someone else created yet claimed them for his own. Military guys...am I right or wrong here?
This endorsement did not surprise me.
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Colin Powell has come a long way from being Ronald Reagans NSA to stumping for a Marxist/Socialist...funny how things turn out when you get to the core of one mans values.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Colin Powell, is a RiNO (Republican in Name only) moderate republican. I don't believe he ever said he was a conservative. In fact back in February 2008, just after McCain was the presumptive candidate, he said he met twice with Obama and advised him on world affairs.
It looks like Obama was cultivating an endorsement from Powell.
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Right on WatchMan, this has been coming for a long time. I thought Powell had it together but.
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There's no telling what he's been promised as a reward for his support.
Just like Hillary and her presumptive SCOTUS appointment.
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There's no telling what he's been promised as a reward for his support.
Just like Hillary and her presumptive SCOTUS appointment.
I just threw up in my mouth again!!!!! :P
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There's no telling what he's been promised as a reward for his support.
Just like Hillary and her presumptive SCOTUS appointment.
You can bet your ass that Hillary, Bill, Chelsea and all the rest of the Clinton inner circle will be voting for McCain. A McCain victory is the only way that Hillary will have a shot in 2012.
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I wasn't surprised by the nod to BHO by Powell either. The RiNO tag mentioned earlier was along my lines of thought. As an aside, Powell was one of the people credited with steering Bush 41 away from an actual victory in the first Gulf War when southern Iraqis were hung out to dry because finishing what you started was too inconvenient.
I have had several conversations with my dad about this very thing in the upcoming election. I have come into contact with several people who before the BHO phenomenon, I considered pretty together people. Reason has no place. Its a purely emotional response. I don't know if it is just rampant Bush Derangement Syndrome or what. BHO says 1+1=4 and people nod their heads in agreement.
As far as Powell is concerned, it is no wonder that journalistic malpractice was in full effect. Some one should have asked if someone (BHO) with so little actual leadership experience would be placed in charge of a small group of soldiers with their life on the line. ("Here Corporal Obama, take this platoon and take that hill") Now consider the same person in as Comander and Cheif. The mind reels.
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Colin Powell has come a long way from being Ronald Reagans NSA to stumping for a Marxist/Socialist...funny how things turn out when you get to the core of one mans values.
Powell lost me when he wimped out after the highway of death (the road out of Kuwait) and the utter and complete devastation that the USAF, Navy, Marines and whoever else was involved on Hussein's Republican Guard as they retreated. I really thought a military man should have had a stronger stomach than he displayed at that time. And I thought the devastation was entirely appropriate, did not go far enough IMHO.
Lesson of Nam - in for a penny, then do the damn job and get it over with as fast as you can. No strings, no tying our military's hands, just turn them loose and let them do what they have been trained (at great taxpayer expense I might add) to do. And for God's sake, Colin, grow a pair.
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I wasn't surprised by the nod to BHO by Powell either. The RiNO tag mentioned earlier was along my lines of thought. As an aside, Powell was one of the people credited with steering Bush 41 away from an actual victory in the first Gulf War when southern Iraqis were hung out to dry because finishing what you started was too inconvenient.
I have had several conversations with my dad about this very thing in the upcoming election. I have come into contact with several people who before the BHO phenomenon, I considered pretty together people. Reason has no place. Its a purely emotional response. I don't know if it is just rampant Bush Derangement Syndrome or what. BHO says 1+1=4 and people nod their heads in agreement.
As far as Powell is concerned, it is no wonder that journalistic malpractice was in full effect. Some one should have asked if someone (BHO) with so little actual leadership experience would be placed in charge of a small group of soldiers with their life on the line. ("Here Corporal Obama, take this platoon and take that hill") Now consider the same person in as Comander and Cheif. The mind reels.
Always on the mark Brosometal....always on the mark.
You can bet your ass that Hillary, Bill, Chelsea and all the rest of the Clinton inner circle will be voting for McCain. A McCain victory is the only way that Hillary will have a shot in 2012.
Interesting...what will the Dems who are not far left loonies have to do for votes. They cultivated this atmosphere....now it's turned to bite them.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081020/ap_on_el_pr/obama
Obama: Powell will have a role in administration
By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON – With or without a formal title, Colin Powell will have Barack Obama's ear if the Democratic presidential candidate wins the White House in the Nov. 4 election, the candidate said Monday.
"He will have a role as one of my advisers," Barack Obama said on NBC's "Today" in an interview aired Monday, a day after Powell, a four-star general and President Bush's former secretary of state, endorsed him.
"Whether he wants to take a formal role, whether that's a good fit for him, is something we'd have to discuss," Obama said.
Being a top presidential adviser, especially on foreign policy, would be familiar ground to Powell on a subject that's relatively new to the freshman Illinois senator. Obama has struggled to establish his foreign policy credentials against GOP candidate John McCain, a decorated military veteran, Vietnam prisoner of war and ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee.
In the NBC interview, Obama said Powell did not give him a heads-up before he crossed party lines and endorsed the Democratic presidential candidate on the network's "Meet the Press" a day earlier.
In that interview, Powell called Obama a "transformational figure" in the nation's history and expressed disappointment in some of McCain's campaign tactics. But, Powell said, he didn't plan to hit the campaign trail with Obama before Election Day.
"I won't lie to you, I would love to have him at any stop," Obama said with a grin Monday. "Obviously, if he wants to show up, he's got an open invitation."
Powell's endorsement came just hours after Obama's campaign disclosed that it raised $150 million in September — obliterating the old record of $66 million it had set only one month earlier.
White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said she had not spoken to Bush about his reaction to Powell's endorsement but added that Bush and Powell have a good relationship.
"The president greatly respects Gen. Powell as we all do," Perino told reporters aboard Air Force One en route to an event in Louisiana.
Powell expressed disappointment in the negative tone of McCain's campaign, his choice of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as a running mate and their decision to focus in the closing weeks of the contest on Obama's ties to 1960s-era radical William Ayers, saying "it goes too far."
McCain, meanwhile, seemed dismissive of Powell's endorsement, saying it wasn't a surprise, that the two share mutual respect and are longtime friends.
The Republican from Arizona pointed out on Sunday that he had support from four other former secretaries of state, all veterans of Republican administrations: Henry Kissinger, James A. Baker III, Lawrence Eagleburger and Alexander Haig.
At a boisterous rally Sunday, Obama said McCain was "out of ideas and almost out of time."
He and his aides appear so confident of his prospects that apart from a brief stop in Madison, Wis., next Thursday, Obama currently has no plans during the next 10 days to return to Pennsylvania, Minnesota, New Hampshire or any other state that voted for John Kerry in 2004.
Instead, he intends to spend two days this week in Florida, where early voting begins on Monday, and travel to Virginia, Iowa, Ohio, Colorado, New Mexico and possibly Nevada and Indiana. Those states hold 97 electoral votes combined, and Bush won all in 2004.
Obama also may stop in West Virginia, where his campaign recently bought statewide television advertising in a late attempt to put the state's five electoral votes into serious contention.
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No WMD jokes people. ;D
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I have a number of friends who served under Gen. Powell in the 101 St and thought he was a terriffic CO.
I have great respect for him as an officer and what he has accomplished in his carrers but my politics and his are very different.
I respectfully disagree with his choice and will vote for Palin and that old guy.
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I too, like you all, am very dissapointed in Powelll's decision to do what he has done. By backing Obama he sends the wrong message to the rest of the world. This will have far reaching ramafications in how the remaining world powers see us. I have heard from friends of mine who are currentlly abroad that Europe seems to be already pulling for Obama to take over the reins. IMHO, they do this with the anticipation of perhaps being able to manipulate Obama once he is in office. . . with the anticipation of testing his resolve in the future, and with seeing where the Untied State is heading in the next generation. The countries that are the real threat to the US are counties that ALL respect and fear strength and power. If we show our soft underbelly because it is the politically correct thing to do we could face annihilation to a way of life that seems to be secretly envied by many in the world. They want what we have.
I am begining to become truely afraid of our future and freedoms that we enjoy NOW and I pray that we will NEVER say, "freedoms that we ONCE knew and enjoyed". To me things seem to be so obvious, so black and white. I cannot understand someone looking at the same picture that I see and say to me that the artisit painted such a beautiful purple sky when I can look at it and see that it is not purple but a shade of blue which the sky should be. How is it that another person can see white when I see black? How is it that I see increased taxes coming our way when other people see 0% taxes for 95% of the people? How is it I see a real danger of loosing the 2nd Amendment in this country, a danger to my freedoms that this liberal party wants to take away from me and everyone who thinks like me? Some of these are not only inalienable rights but they arerights afforded to all of us by our Constitution our very blood shed on battlefields around the world that we as United States citizens have fought for over generations and generations. It appears that they have been breached and are begining to crumble as I sit by and watch. I feel helpless. My representatives do not listen to me in Washington. It scares me.
The hynotic way of Obama's speech dulls the senses. If the man says an object is black well by golly it is black. If he says that 2X2=5, then by golly it equals 5 and we DO NOT QUESTION it. We are walking in the stepfallls of the living dead. We are so dazzeled by the bright hypnotic light that we are blinded and cannot see what lies ahead of us. The light has cut off out distant vision. Is this an omen of things to come? Is this what is written in Revelation? Seven years followed by seven years?
Sure, there might be a lot of things wrong with this country . . . BUT, there sure are a lot more things right with this country then there are wrong and I for one wouldn't want to be FORCED to live anywhere else in this world.
God help America!
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I'm extremely disappointed, to say the least. I used to like Powell and probably would have voted for him had he ran for Pres. Needless to say, that is no longer the case.
Swoop
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I have a number of friends who served under Gen. Powell in the 101 St and thought he was a terriffic CO.
I have great respect for him as an officer and what he has accomplished in his carrers but my politics and his are very different.
I respectfully disagree with his choice and will vote for Palin and that old guy.
;D +10