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Member Section => Tactical Rifle & Carbine => Topic started by: 1776 Rebel on June 02, 2007, 06:33:20 PM
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Interesting article believe it or not in the NY Times. Bane, Nuge and even Zumbo are quoted....
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/03/business/yourmoney/03rifle.html?pagewanted=1
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Getting Zumbo back on the air might well be a good thing.
We need more 'hunting' shows explaining that the 2A covers ALL guns not just those 'high power sniper rifles' that most hunters prefer and that if one is banned then it just means that another one, maybe theirs, is next.
BTW what did Michael promise them to get referred to as "Mr Bane"? ;D
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tooo bad that Zumbo now sees the light. Things were done which his shooting a hole in "Zumbosworld" with a AR(pink or not) can not be forgiven.! Case closed!!!!! Dumbo has been writen off. MB himself cannot fix Dumbo's clusterbomb assult of not only ourguns but are American pride. Call us terriost will he. TERRIOST!!! That son-of-a-*@$#% !!!!!!Which leads me to my last rant. It has already started with the (blackrifles=terrorist guns), fueling the bigot legislatures to try and bring laws to band our kind. That right I said BIGOTS. Hate me for my belief that (blackrifle=good rifles). Zubmo, antigun goverment and the bradiebirgade law makers are on the same page in my book! Where is the out rage in that. and how dare " the Nuge" or anyone else expect my forgiveness. Zums lack of income buys a lot of SSSSOOOORRRYS.I SPIT ON THE NOTION OF OUR FORGIVENESS AND HIS RENEWED SHOW Spit, Spittle, Hack-tuwee........ I have only begun and I am already dehyreated dang it. I AM RELOADING W/ A HUGE GLASS OF ICED TEA ZUMBO...... SALIVA HI-CAP IF YOU WILL! Sooooo Zumbo I suggest a zig zag pattern w/ a comando roll to the rain gear cause you can hang out with Tom Sellick for all i care, not even Magnum P.I. could right your wronngs in my book you"66yr old burly outdoors guy".
Tex
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That is a rarity from the New York Times, a fairlybalanced article. If Zumbo gets another show, so be it. I guess I could forgive him for his ill-advised beliefs no matter what damage he did to our sport. One of the great things about this country is we give people second chances...But I'll probably will still be skeptical of him for a long time.
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I can forgive....................................... But I can't forget. >:(
It's only my opinion mind you.. but he sold us out.
Flat out... 100% sold us out !!
Nope ... my vote is " No second chances" for the Zumbo.
(((And I'm not a hard ass.... it's just the way it is!))) :-\
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I can forgive....................................... But I can't forget. >:(
It's only my opinion mind you.. but he sold us out.
Flat out... 100% sold us out !!
Nope ... my vote is " No second chances" for the Zumbo.
(((And I'm not a hard ass.... it's just the way it is!))) :-\
Didn't say I was going to watch it, though.
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I can forgive....................................... But I can't forget. >:(
It's only my opinion mind you.. but he sold us out.
Flat out... 100% sold us out !!
Nope ... my vote is " No second chances" for the Zumbo.
(((And I'm not a hard ass.... it's just the way it is!))) :-\
I agree 100%! What he said is unforgiveable, IMHO. He is just the kind of gun owner that the Sarah Brady's of the world love to quote.
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Guys (and Lady), I would venture to guess that 'we' (shooters, not hunters) never watched his show before. I wouldn't if he came back even if he had never written that blog, not my type of show BUT hunters do watch him and I have found that many hunters still have the wrong attitude about the 2A.
They would watch Zumbo and MAYBE he could bring them around to thinking of the shooting, gun owning, hunting community a whole.
I see too much fragmentation within our ranks and would like to fix that. That way we won't fall into the old "When they came for ** I didn't say any thing..."
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Guys (and Lady), I would venture to guess that 'we' (shooters, not hunters) never watched his show before. I wouldn't if he came back even if he had never written that blog, not my type of show BUT hunters do watch him and I have found that many hunters still have the wrong attitude about the 2A.
They would watch Zumbo and MAYBE he could bring them around to thinking of the shooting, gun owning, hunting community a whole.
I see too much fragmentation within our ranks and would like to fix that. That way we won't fall into the old "When they came for ** I didn't say any thing..."
Difficult for me to ever take Zumbo serious again but your analysis seems reasonable to me.
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it took me a couple of glasses of iced tea to recoop but...... HACKTUWEEE on the Zumbo show, book, article, and his person. It is sad that the only person which even seems half as upset as i am is M'lette. At least she has the..... um..... backbone to state the truth. LETS QUIT THE BROWN NOSING.
They would watch Zumbo and MAYBE he could bring them around to thinking of the shooting, gun owning, hunting community a whole.
And what could zumbo do towit "the Nudge" could not better him. HMMM!!!
Oh yeah zumbo could slander or other wise harm us again. Thats one! Lets see .....hmmmm..... drawing a blank. ???
Nope just harm. THATS IT!
The man is useless now. Except to the anti's that is.
Spit/Spittle/Hacktuwee for him and his.
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it took me a couple of glasses of iced tea to recoop but...... HACKTUWEEE on the Zumbo show, book, article, and his person. It is sad that the only person which even seems half as upset as i am is M'lette. At least she has the..... um..... backbone to state the truth. LETS QUIT THE BROWN NOSING. And what could zumbo do towit "the Nudge" could not better him. HMMM!!!
Oh yeah zumbo could slander or other wise harm us again. Thats one! Lets see .....hmmmm..... drawing a blank. ???
Nope just harm. THATS IT!
The man is useless now. Except to the anti's that is.
Spit/Spittle/Hacktuwee for him and his.
Simple, he could reach the people that Nugent doesn't.
BTW "The Nuge" has forgiven him. Does that make Uncle Ted a traitor?
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Simple, he could reach the people that Nugent doesn't.
BTW "The Nuge" has forgiven him. Does that make Uncle Ted a traitor?
Nope, doesn't make him a traitor.. ( I'm sure Ted has his reasons)
I said I could "forgive him"...... but I won't "forget" what he said..
BUT hunters do watch him and I have found that many hunters still have the wrong attitude about the 2A.
They would watch Zumbo and MAYBE he could bring them around to thinking of the shooting, gun owning, hunting community a whole.
I AM a hunter..* and a damned good one* ;) and have been 40 years out of my 54.
I don't think that IF he ever got a chance to have another show... that many hunters would watch him,
or ever put much stock in what he says, simply because of this.
I stand by my guns and still say he sold us out. And I DON'T think it was a knee jerk statement.
I think that is exactly how he felt about it and all the apologizing in the world will not convince me that he believes otherwise to this day....
even though publicly he says he has "changed his mind".
Whatever!...the damage is done.
Once again we all... and it doesn't matter if we're hunters or shooters or gun collectors...
We HAVE to stand together strong, regardless of what we think about Jim Zumbo.... or our feelings about the black rifles.
Whether they are black pink or blue...it all comes down to it being about our constitutional right to keep and bear arms,
regardless of the types of firearms people choose to use for their designated use.
We have heard it 100+ times...
United we stand....Divided we fall.
Personally , I like the sound of "the United" the best. :)
PS~~ I know I'm a woman, and maybe the only one who posts right now in here, but please don't pussy foot around me.
I appreciate you all letting me join in once an awhile, and giving your opinions.
I like how if you all have something to say pro or con to any of my posts, you just hop right up and say it.
I love being a woman with all the niceties that it brings, but I can easily hold my own in a room full of men, and still keep smiling. ;)
So if you think I am full of s***.. tell me. Sometimes a person learns the most about things that way. ;D :D
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Mashal'ette,
I wasn't responding to you about Ted.
I agree 'forgive but not forget' (keep him on a short leash).
I run into many hunters that simply do not understand the 'shooting' side of gun ownership (you know the name they are given) and I think a lot of them would give a listen to Zumbo. Many of them were his defenders during the recent events. They have this idea that their hunting firearms are some how sacrosanct and will never be on the gun grabbers list. Much of that thinking IMO, comes from the fact that we owners of EBRs and such have carried the fight for them.
We have to find a way to 'bring them into the fold' because I too believe in 'divided we fall'.
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PS~~ I know I'm a woman, and maybe the only one who posts right now in here, but please don't pussy foot around me.
I love being a woman with all the niceties that it brings, but I can easily hold my own in a room full of men, and still keep smiling. ;)
My god gosh Marshal'ette, you sound just like my wife (except she does not hunt nor do I). I like my women strong. I've kept the current one (the only one) for 37 years and counting (or has she kept me).
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As a Fud, I think it was still one of the dumbs things a outdoor writer has ever done.
With archers, it's your not a "true" hunter if you use a compond bow. Compond bowhunters can't stand crossbow archers.
When I lived in PA, anything other then a flintlock was a crime. Out west percussion cap shooters go on and on about inline shooters.
Zumbo missed the point, encourage the activity, not the tool. Anything that gets more people hunting is good. Anything that get people shooting is a win.
Nobody was MAKING you hunt with a AR Mr. Zumbo so chill out and shut up.
As somebody who has 3 AR's and carries everyday, Zumbo was so far over the line I'll never forgive him. I don't buy his whole re-birth as a 2A leader.
We need more shooters and gun owners, not just fine English sidelocks and double express rifle owners.
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I'm with texcaliber and Marshal'ette. I am fed up with this politically correct forgiveness crap!There should be CONSEQUENCES to your actions and RESPONSIBLITY associated with those actions that trample on others ,especially when it involves the very people that are writing your meal ticket.
NO GRAY AREA HERE! ZUMBO SCREWED up and the people have spoken.No slinking back like a weasel and asking to forget. There is enough of that kind of behavior threw in our face by the political figures in this country!!
The ANTI GUN Crowd ain't letting up on thier agenda,they are moving on and we need to cut the cord on Zumbo and put our efforts toward protecting the 2nd amendment and the CONSTITUTION and not waiting to hear what he has to say. He had his day in the Spotight and HE BLEW IT!!
Not only that, NOW I need to massage the veins that are sticking out in my head back in place. >:( Thanks again ZUMBO.
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I agree with many things stated in posts above...
I never heard of, read, or watched Zumbo before his ill-thought rant against black rifles. The outrage that followed his post is when I first even heard of the man. I agree that the lack of an income and the tarnished reputation can be quite the motivator for his current opinions. However, should he make it back to the gun rags, blogs, or "outdoor" shows -- I doubt I'd be part of his audience.
One positive trend I see -- following his "terrorist rifle" blunder -- has been an increased interest in the use of the AR platform for hunting. I've owned a couple of ARs for years -- but did not use them for hunting...that is, until hearing of Zumbo's comments and the backlash. I mean, all the traits I could want were in those light-weight rifles -- why not use it for hunting?
So, within a couple of weeks of Zumbo's blog post -- I took the trusty little 5.56mm AR on a pig hunt. From using the carbine in a few Tactical courses, I knew I could hit the target (4-6" groups from prone with milsurp ammo and an EoTech at 200 yards on any given day) -- but I was not convinced the 5.56mm cartridge would do the job. One spine shot -- and one 150lb sow later -- that uncertainty was diffused, as she dropped in her tracks.
This only increased my appetite for "hunting" AR platforms. Hence, the latest two additions to my collection:
An AR-10 and a .50 Beowulf (seen here in various stages of completion)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/flyandscuba/AR10and50Beowulf.jpg)
You gotta love the business end of the Beowulf!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/flyandscuba/beowulfbore.jpg)
Think of it as shooting a 500 S&W Magnum out of an AR platform, as the ballistics are essentially the same... :o
In summary, what the 1994 Crime Bill did for the development and introduction of small concealable handguns (most of the pocket guns and compact carry pieces came AFTER the ban) -- Zumbo's ill-fated blog comment might do for the black rifle popularity in the hunting sports. Even Hornady is jumping on the train -- with the new collaboration with Bushmaster and the .450 Bushmaster cartridge.
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You gotta love the business end of the Beowulf!
Y E S !!!!! I sure do. As a matter of fact I think it was love at first sight man. :o
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Strong women rule . Mine has been rulling me for 33 years. FORD,DODGE, or CHEVY it's not which one
it's making that payment each month.