Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: ericire12 on October 28, 2008, 04:32:58 PM
Title: Obama's anti military message
Post by: ericire12 on October 28, 2008, 04:32:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcqhoiK8-Ww
Change you can believe in!
Title: Re: Obama's anti military message
Post by: tombogan03884 on October 29, 2008, 01:35:26 AM
He will bend us over and tatoo our a$$ "Come and get it "
Title: Re: Obama's anti military message
Post by: CurrieS103 on October 29, 2008, 08:17:31 AM
I'll repeat what I said when I was watching Clinton's 1991 victory speech after turning wrenches on f-16's all night in Germany...
"WE'RE SCREWED"
Title: Re: Obama's anti military message
Post by: tt11758 on October 29, 2008, 11:05:23 AM
Your choice:
Based upon the video, which description would best fit Barack Obama?
A) Naive
B) Overly Optimistic
C) A Friggin Idiot
Title: Re: Obama's anti military message
Post by: tombogan03884 on October 29, 2008, 11:10:11 AM
Can't decide between A or C there should be a "D" Traitor as well because the reason the Iranians took our Embassy personel hostage for444 days and we couldn't do anything about it was carter's applying the exact same ideas.
Title: Re: Obama's anti military message
Post by: shooter32 on October 29, 2008, 11:12:18 AM
Based upon the video, which description would best fit Barack Obama?
A) Naive
B) Overly Optimistic
C) A Friggin Idiot
That would be C) >:(
Title: Re: Obama's anti military message
Post by: tombogan03884 on October 30, 2008, 02:00:17 AM
I know I have posted about this before, but I was a Marine Motor transport Mechanic when the Iran hostage crises took place, The "Failure at Desert One" of the rescue mission was blamed on poor joint service cooperation. That's pure BS. It was actually a "Failure in Washington" We only had repair parts 3 months a year because we could not afford them. Every Marine is a Rifleman, I went to the rifle range ONCE in 2 1/2 years at Camp Lejune because budget cuts meant the Corps could not afford training ammo, When I was on Med Cruise in 78 the trucks that were supposed to tow our artillery were literally falling apart because the democrat peanut carter kept the armed forces to poor for luxuries like Maintenance and repairs. We did what we could with baling wire and good intentions but you can only accomplish so much with nothing. We had CH 47's falling out of the sky because they could not be maintained properly. Marines died so carter could pay welfare dead beats. And B Hole wants to do the same damn thing. If I state my opinion of either of those mo$%^ fu#@$s I would wind up in jail. I bet you other carter era vets have other horror stories.
Title: Re: Obama's anti military message
Post by: jnevis on October 30, 2008, 07:41:53 AM
While I have to agree with Tom about the budget and mismanagement at the national level, the Desert One mishap was in the end the failure of the helo crew to maintain situational awareness in brownout conditions and having to many fast moving parts (helos/herks) crammed into a small space with little coordination to get the aircraft deconflicted while they tried to launch.
We crunch airplanes almost daily on an CV/CVN, mostly minor stuff, and we can SEE what's there even at night. Plus there are hundreds of eyes on each plane move to make sure we don't crunch, all on the same freq, communicating both over the radio and with hand signals.
Anyway, the current Reserves isn't any better. We are SUPPOSED to be qualifying our aircrews with the M9s but we're lucky to get ANY trigger time, even using the BeamHit lasers. We did at least qual before cruise when I was Active but nothing really once I left Security.
I can't view the video at work (YouTube is blocked) and haven't had a chance to see it at home but I'll bet it isn't pretty.
Title: Re: Obama's anti military message
Post by: jlc on October 30, 2008, 09:23:02 AM
Basically he'll weaken our military, drop our guard and then all we have to do is wait for the knock out punch from his islamic associates. :(
Title: Re: Obama's anti military message
Post by: tombogan03884 on October 30, 2008, 10:53:14 AM
While I have to agree with Tom about the budget and mismanagement at the national level, the Desert One mishap was in the end the failure of the helo crew to maintain situational awareness in brownout conditions and having to many fast moving parts (helos/herks) crammed into a small space with little coordination to get the aircraft deconflicted while they tried to launch.
We crunch airplanes almost daily on an CV/CVN, mostly minor stuff, and we can SEE what's there even at night. Plus there are hundreds of eyes on each plane move to make sure we don't crunch, all on the same freq, communicating both over the radio and with hand signals.
Anyway, the current Reserves isn't any better. We are SUPPOSED to be qualifying our aircrews with the M9s but we're lucky to get ANY trigger time, even using the BeamHit lasers. We did at least qual before cruise when I was Active but nothing really once I left Security.
I can't view the video at work (YouTube is blocked) and haven't had a chance to see it at home but I'll bet it isn't pretty.
JNevis, At that point the mission had already been aborted as there were not enough Helo still operational to carry all the personnel to and from Tehran, even though they started out with extra's, one had to turn back becuase it's nav system malfunctioned and 2 others were lost because the lack of proper filters allowed sand to wreck their engines.
Title: Re: Obama's anti military message
Post by: garand4life on October 30, 2008, 12:57:47 PM
This may sound stupid but, I'm thinking the TV show Jericho could have had a precognition of an Obama Presidency. Of course the attacks on the US in Jericho were domestic but I'm thinking we could be very close to a domestic attack that destroys America as we know it. Someone should send this crap sucker back to the Madrassa he was brainwashed in.
Title: Re: Obama's anti military message
Post by: WymoreWrangler on October 30, 2008, 05:18:43 PM
+1 on Carter screwing up the Iranian Hostage rescue more than most folks will ever know...
Title: Re: Obama's anti military message
Post by: MikeBjerum on October 30, 2008, 07:19:48 PM
With all his cuts and dreams I say he was going the David vs. Goliath weaponology. However, this idiot has made fun of us with our Bibles, and even though he claims to be Christian he bailed on that for political reasons (admitted that in a formal speech), so I'm not sure he understands a slingshot.
Remember when Reagan was elected? How long did it take for the hostages to be released, and how did foreign affairs change? Something to be said for peace through preparedness! You ever wonder why all of our "former" enemies poll strongly for BHO?
Title: Re: Obama's anti military message
Post by: PegLeg45 on October 30, 2008, 08:54:07 PM
With all his cuts and dreams I say he was going the David vs. Goliath weaponology. However, this idiot has made fun of us with our Bibles, and even though he claims to be Christian he bailed on that for political reasons (admitted that in a formal speech), so I'm not sure he understands a slingshot.
Remember when Reagan was elected? How long did it take for the hostages to be released, and how did foreign affairs change? Something to be said for peace through preparedness! You ever wonder why all of our "former" enemies poll strongly for BHO?
I was listening on radio and as I remember when he finished the oath it was announced that the Hostages were airborne for Germany.
Title: Re: Obama's anti military message
Post by: jnevis on October 31, 2008, 04:26:31 AM
While Reagan was a great President and he did get the hostages released the way they went about it was suspect at the least. It's all a trade off. Getting those hostages released cost Reagan later on. We'll STILL dealing with it now. OBuma wouldn't know what to do in either case.
Title: Re: Obama's anti military message
Post by: shooter32 on October 31, 2008, 04:32:54 AM
While Reagan was a great President and he did get the hostages released the way they went about it was suspect at the least. It's all a trade off. Getting those hostages released cost Reagan later on. We'll STILL dealing with it now. OBuma wouldn't know what to do in either case.
jnevis, I was just talking to a friend about this on Wednesday. You are right on the money on this. Hope OBuma never gets a chance to deal with an issue like that.
Title: Re: Obama's anti military message
Post by: MikeBjerum on October 31, 2008, 07:11:58 AM
While Reagan was a great President and he did get the hostages released the way they went about it was suspect at the least. It's all a trade off. Getting those hostages released cost Reagan later on. We'll STILL dealing with it now. OBuma wouldn't know what to do in either case.
This is what you get in the political arena (especially globally). You wheel and deal, you give and take, you make deals above the table and under the table, and sometimes you make a deal with the devil himself (Sadam). How many "friends" have we put in power only to need to go back and remove later?
The thought I was trying to bring forward is that you don't go into any situation with your tail between your legs. You walk in with your head held high with the true confidence that you are capable of getting the job done. You hope for any one of many plans, but you know that if no one will play that way you can back it up with strength. You also have the security that plan "B" is always there if needed. Isn't that the idea behind having laws on the books and a police force to oversee it?
Title: Re: Obama's anti military message
Post by: tombogan03884 on October 31, 2008, 01:00:29 PM
While Reagan was a great President and he did get the hostages released the way they went about it was suspect at the least. It's all a trade off. Getting those hostages released cost Reagan later on. We'll STILL dealing with it now. OBuma wouldn't know what to do in either case.
I don't mean to sound so argumentative like I'm picking apart every post you make, but the hostages that got Reagan and Ollie North in trouble were the ones taken in Lebanon, not the ones from the Embassy.,
Title: Re: Obama's anti military message
Post by: jnevis on October 31, 2008, 01:52:49 PM
I don't mean to sound so argumentative like I'm picking apart every post you make, but the hostages that got Reagan and Ollie North in trouble were the ones taken in Lebanon, not the ones from the Embassy.,
The Iranian's got I-Hawk weapons systems in return for releasing the hostages and Ollie was caught using CIA money from the sale of the missiles to supply the Contras in South America, hence Iran-Contra
And actually does it REALLY matter, Obama is still an idiot and unfortunately the "average" American voter doen't seem to know any better.
Title: Re: Obama's anti military message
Post by: tt11758 on October 31, 2008, 04:18:14 PM
The Iranian's got I-Hawk weapons systems in return for releasing the hostages and Ollie was caught using CIA money from the sale of the missiles to supply the Contras in South America, hence Iran-Contra
And actually does it REALLY matter, Obama is still an idiot and unfortunately the "average" American voter doen't seem to know any better.
And therein lies the problem.
Title: Re: Obama's anti military message
Post by: tombogan03884 on October 31, 2008, 07:36:11 PM
The Iranian's got I-Hawk weapons systems in return for releasing the hostages and Ollie was caught using CIA money from the sale of the missiles to supply the Contras in South America, hence Iran-Contra
And actually does it REALLY matter, Obama is still an idiot and unfortunately the "average" American voter doen't seem to know any better.