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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: MLC on November 01, 2008, 05:33:38 PM
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I couldn't find this is the search, so please forgive me if this is question has already been asked.
I'm looking for a good .22LR Conversion Kit for my 1911. Any suggestions?
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whats your price range? the go anywhere from 300-700
I have a marvel...shoots all the high power stuff just fine.
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I've had all of 'em at one time or another (including the profoundly obscure and bizarrely overcomplicated Peters-Stahl German unit). I presently have one of the Kimbers and a new Tactical Solutions .22 conversion unit. I think the Tac-Sol is the best out there — reliable with hotter loads and accurate; less touchy about dirt than some; better magazines (the bane, so to speak, of all the conversion units. The T-S unit is threaded, too...
Michael B
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I had a ciener kit and it worked fine, and was decently accurate, found a deal on a Marvel, with both open sight system, and optic sight system for a good deal, and it works well, and is very accurate. The downside besides initial cost, was the magazines, as the Marvel uses Colt Ace mags, 50 bucks + apiece, But then I read they could use, ciener mags, and since I had some, tried them and they do work well, and less expensive, + at least for now, come in 15 round increments.
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From Brownells:
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=5476&title=SEMI-AUTO%20.22%20LR%20CONVERSION%20KIT
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Maybe that's why you showed the link, Brownell's has dropped Ciener. Midway still has them at least for now. From my personal experience with the man behind the product, not hard to believe.
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Maybe that's why you showed the link, Brownell's has dropped Ciener. Midway still has them at least for now. From my personal experience with the man behind the product, not hard to believe.
Was it that obvious?
My sarcasm tends to fade with type written words........ ;D
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I have a Ciener. Had I known then what I know now.....
Still a cheap date even if it is a poor performer.
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I've given thought to this and I'd rather put the money into a "1911ish" .22lr pistol. Then I got two complete pistols instead of 1 1/2. The "conversion" process seems like a good idea but given the cost and frustration factor people seem to run into, I don't think it's worth it.
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I had a Colt that was quite accurate at 50' (believe it or not) one hand Bullseye style. Most of the Colt conversions are just so-so. The Marvel I had was good after a trip back. That is all I have had exposure too except the old Kart conversion (out of production I believe) which was a Bullseye conversion and very accurate. If I buy one now it will be the TS.
Richard
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I've given thought to this and I'd rather put the money into a "1911ish" .22lr pistol. Then I got two complete pistols instead of 1 1/2. The "conversion" process seems like a good idea but given the cost and frustration factor people seem to run into, I don't think it's worth it.
This is what I did. I watched friends at the range switching slides back and forth, I looked at the cost, and for little more than a top end conversion I have a 1911 in .22lr. The only draw back is when we switch from gun to gun, we switch targets and I shoot ... then they shoot. Oh well, maybe I'll just buy more magazines and shoot more while they rebuild their guns.
I don't have pictures ... between cameras ... damn electronics. However, I went with Kimber Rimfire Target. This is the middle of the road for them, and the only thing I had to learn was to use high velocity ammo. I was trying standard velocity, because that was what I had along for bullseye. Cheap high velocity cranks through without a glitch. I imagine a lighter spring would make standard work just fine, but why mess with it if you don't need to?
I have not tried it for extreme accuracy. I bought it as a cheap way to practice USPSA.
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Lot to be said for just buying a .22 pistol...I have one of the aluminum-framed Kimber dedicated guns, which is a good for training new shooters but doesn't really feel like a 1911. I also have a T-S Ruger 22/45 (the blood-red vampire gun) and it's great to shoot and as accurate as my ancient S&W M41. The Ruger would definitely be the mose economical solution.
(http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAFamily?type=Pistol&subtype=Rimfire%20Autoloading&famlst=54&variation=Bull%20Barrel)
Still, i would really like to have a dedicated .22 1911, a la the old Colt Ace, for practice. USFA, who owns the rights to the Colt ACE nameplate, makes a beauty, but it's a tidy $2000.
http://www.usfirearms.com/cat/ace-22.asp
I will probably end up leaving the T-S unit on a dedicated frame...it's on a Kimber right now, but I might do some disassembly on a Rock Island gun, turn it into a donor gun, overhaul the trigger, blah blah...
I definitely now shoot a lot more rimfire than I used to!
Michael B
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I would have liked to go with a full time conversion of a heavier 1911 as well. However, I do not have an extra 1911 to convert, and if I had the money to spend to go that way I would just shoot more .45.
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I too thought of building a dedicated lower, and I have 2 spares, to make 2 complete guns. But 1 is a Les Baer matched slide and frame, and needs to stay a center fire. The other however is a Safari arms match master, and I could certainly see it as a .22, as I only have 200 bucks in it, I could sell the slide for 75. HMMMM, keep talking.
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I too thought of building a dedicated lower, and I have 2 spares, to make 2 complete guns. But 1 is a Les Baer matched slide and frame, and needs to stay a center fire. The other however is a Safari arms match master, and I could certainly see it as a .22, as I only have 200 bucks in it, I could sell the slide for 75. HMMMM, keep talking.
If it were me I'd go for it. A little money in the conversion, some time in making it work smooth, and you've got what I'd like to have done.
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Are there any other 1911 .22 out there besides the Kimber and the Colt Ace?
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Let me take this one step further. I also have a .22 co2 air pistol that has a similar angle to a 1911. It's an old Crosman MK I. The seals went bad after 20 years and while it was in the shop I had it ported and a new Walther (Lothar not Karl) barrel installed. I can practice not only in the back yard, but in the basement as well.
I guess the next step would be an airsoft.
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My 1911/2011 toys ...
(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e330/m58/1911s.jpg)
Top Left - STI 2011 5.5 Eagle
Middle Left - S&W 1911
Bottom Left - Kimber Target Rimfire .22lr
Top Right - Caspian 1911 airsoft
Bottom Right - Caspian Hi-Cap airsoft
The Caspian airsofts are blow-back using GreenGas (or I use propane with a little silicone added)
I also have an old Crosman Marksman that I forgot to put on the pegs to show. The gun is forty years old, and still fun to play with.
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I also have an old Crosman Marksman that I forgot to put on the pegs to show. The gun is forty years old, and still fun to play with.
Totally forgot about the Marksman. Yes, I have one too.
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I would love to have the Ace but the price is way out of my league. I still haven't been able to find a conversion for a wide-body Para so I got a Ruger 22/45 instead several years ago. It's not the same as having a 1911 .22 but looks and feels more like one than my Mark II and at $185 it was only 1/11 - 1/10 the price of the Ace.