Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Hazcat on November 01, 2008, 09:26:04 PM
Title: Obama Vows To Create 'Civilian National Security Force'...
Post by: Hazcat on November 01, 2008, 09:26:04 PM
Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s
"just as powerful" as the military!!
That folks, is TERRIFYING!!!!! And the lefties compared Bush to Hitler!?
Title: Re: Obama Vows To Create 'Civilian National Security Force'...
Post by: TexGun on November 01, 2008, 09:37:50 PM
Saw it on Drudge's site earlier. That's crazy! That goes beyond "big brother". I can only imagine the caliber of citizens that will be signing up for that gig.
Title: Re: Obama Vows To Create 'Civilian National Security Force'...
Post by: TAB on November 01, 2008, 11:20:49 PM
wouldn't that mean they have to open up the M gun registry again? hmmmmmmmmmmmm
Title: Re: Obama Vows To Create 'Civilian National Security Force'...
Post by: alfsauve on November 02, 2008, 06:52:52 AM
No the civilian force would pretty much rely on baseball bats. If they find armed resistance they'll call in LEO.
Title: Re: Obama Vows To Create 'Civilian National Security Force'...
Post by: Rastus on November 02, 2008, 07:45:19 AM
It's how the SS started! "Civilian" (party) police force.
I have thought for sometime that bHo=Hitler. They both great speakers and stirred the masses to fill German Stadiums full of sheep. Both gained popularity in time of economic upheaval. Both suppress others who have differant viewpoints. There are more similarities.
Title: Re: Obama Vows To Create 'Civilian National Security Force'...
Post by: twyacht on November 03, 2008, 05:08:44 AM
Nothing like going to the store, and being asked for "your papers"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW2a15l2VWA
Title: Re: Obama Vows To Create 'Civilian National Security Force'...
Post by: Ocin on November 03, 2008, 06:51:18 AM
Could it be that he is referring to an extension of your National Guard, or a militia as mentioned in your 2A?
On the other hand, when you do think back on WW2:
In the latter stages of the war the Germans needed additional men to control the Dutch populace. They dressed up a group of "loyal" men in black and named them "Landwacht", meaning LandGuard. These men were armed with the hunting shotguns which the Germans confiscated from the Dutch farmers. As a result of that they were nicknamed "Jan Hagel", meaning John Buckshot by the Dutch people.
He isn't referring to a LandGuard, I hope? :o
Title: Re: Obama Vows To Create 'Civilian National Security Force'...
Post by: Hazcat on November 03, 2008, 07:16:16 AM
Could it be that he is referring to an extension of your National Guard, or a militia as mentioned in your 2A?
On the other hand, when you do think back on WW2:
In the latter stages of the war the Germans needed additional men to control the Dutch populace. They dressed up a group of "loyal" men in black and named them "Landwacht", meaning LandGuard. These men were armed with the hunting shotguns which the Germans confiscated from the Dutch farmers. As a result of that they were nicknamed "Jan Hagel", meaning John Buckshot by the Dutch people.
He isn't referring to a LandGuard, I hope? :o
I honestly think he may well be talking about just that type of thing.
Look at how he has tried (and pretty well accomplished) shutting down any negative (truth) about him getting out. One of the first things he campaign did was form a "truth squad" to silence anyone they didn't like!
Title: Re: Obama Vows To Create 'Civilian National Security Force'...
Post by: ericire12 on November 03, 2008, 07:25:33 AM
Everything this man says can and has been said by dictators down through history.
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Post by: TAB on November 03, 2008, 02:03:40 PM
Sarcism, does not always make it over the intardweb.
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Post by: sanjuancb on November 03, 2008, 02:54:45 PM
Not that I'm an Obama fan...
but isn't this just a standing militia?
Sounds like something that isn't entirely evil...
Title: Re: Obama Vows To Create 'Civilian National Security Force'...
Post by: DDMac on November 03, 2008, 04:38:24 PM
"Sounds like something that isn't entirely evil..."
True! If it's us!!!
Mac.
Title: Re: Obama Vows To Create 'Civilian National Security Force'...
Post by: cooptire on November 03, 2008, 05:05:07 PM
"Sounds like something that isn't entirely evil..."
True! If it's us!!!
Mac.
Our problem is that he has already said he doesn't like us, the gun owners of America. So who, exactly, would he be arming, and who, exactly, would he be arming them against! I think I already suspect the answer to both of those questions and I don't like what I suspect. :o
Title: Re: Obama Vows To Create 'Civilian National Security Force'...
Post by: scw78 on November 03, 2008, 10:48:27 PM
Its really pretty simple. If there is a "Civilian" National Security Force there is no longer a need for us to keep and bear arms because the "Force" will protect us. Then we can get rid of silly things like "the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution" i.e. the Second Amendment.
Title: Re: Obama Vows To Create 'Civilian National Security Force'...
Post by: tombogan03884 on November 04, 2008, 01:22:24 AM
Wonder If they will get black uniforms ?
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Post by: blackwolfe on November 04, 2008, 01:24:47 AM
Brown Shirts
Title: Re: Obama Vows To Create 'Civilian National Security Force'...
Post by: sanjuancb on November 04, 2008, 08:44:40 AM
Current governor (d) won't approve the legislation to create a "State Guard" at NO COST to the state. State militia's are fine if they are run by "We the people" but tend to descend into fascist thugs and "death squads" when run by the Gov. Do you REALLY want to see" Kristalnacht" in America ?
Title: Re: Obama Vows To Create 'Civilian National Security Force'...
Post by: Fatman on November 04, 2008, 12:09:48 PM
I saw this before, but I just watched it again. A 'civilian nationalsecurity force...just as powerful...just as strong...just as well funded (as the military)'. - B Obama
He's talking about a Federally controlled para-military police force. This is unacceptable. Do you think the state police, local sheriffs or police forces would actually collect weapons and arrest people who are currently law-abiding but may become felons with a stroke of Obama's pen? I doubt it. Most cops I know said they would never do this, and would consider it an unlawful order, violating our rights.
This is the group that would be doing the gun-grabbing, political intimidation, silencing of the critics. Yes, Brown Shirts. Actually, Black Shirts, as the would be 'just as powerful, just as well funded' as the military. And gee, The Fairness Doctrine is about to be re-imposed on private enterprises again.
I actually heard from my LEO friends that there were rumors of 'private police' being considered to do jobs the current police would refuse to do. I dismissed it as ridiculous until I started seeing the current atmosphere surrounding Obama.
Title: Re: Obama Vows To Create 'Civilian National Security Force'...
Post by: Teresa Heilevang on November 04, 2008, 02:31:59 PM
Sounds like our version of the KGB.
Here's an article by Joseph Farah on this subject. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=69601
Title: Update: Obama Vows To Create 'Civilian National Security Force'...
Post by: ericire12 on November 11, 2008, 04:11:03 PM
Update: Georgia Congressman weighs in on the Obama Gestapo
WASHINGTON (AP) — A Republican congressman from Georgia said Monday he fears that President-elect Obama will establish a Gestapo-like security force to impose a Marxist dictatorship.
"It may sound a bit crazy and off base, but the thing is, he's the one who proposed this national security force," Rep. Paul Broun said of Obama in an interview Monday with The Associated Press. "I'm just trying to bring attention to the fact that we may — may not, I hope not — but we may have a problem with that type of philosophy of radical socialism or Marxism."
"That's exactly what Hitler did in Nazi Germany and it's exactly what the Soviet Union did," Broun said. "When he's proposing to have a national security force that's answering to him, that is as strong as the U.S. military, he's showing me signs of being Marxist."
Broun said he believes Obama would move to ban gun ownership if he does build a national security force.
Obama has said he respects the Second Amendment right to bear arms and favors "common sense" gun laws. Gun rights advocates interpret that as meaning he'll at least enact curbs on ownership of assault weapons and concealed weapons. As an Illinois state lawmaker, Obama supported a ban on semiautomatic weapons and tighter restrictions on firearms generally.
"We can't be lulled into complacency," Broun said. "You have to remember that Adolf Hitler was elected in a democratic Germany. I'm not comparing him to Adolf Hitler. What I'm saying is there is the potential of going down that road."
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Post by: tombogan03884 on November 12, 2008, 12:47:09 AM
Can you say Cult of personality ?
Title: Re: Obama Vows To Create 'Civilian National Security Force'...
Post by: 2HOW on November 12, 2008, 01:34:47 PM
We wont need a CDF if they keep sending in troops, OBTW there is a great article on the Bho plan here also, just found this site thanks to Wenger. As Big Brother Prepares to Assume Command…: Northcom has announced that two more U.S. military units will be assigned for domestic homeland security missions, bringing the total number of combat ready service members operating inside the U.S. to around 4,700, as fears grow about the increasing militarization of law enforcement. The announcement follows the controversy surrounding a September 8 Army Times report (revised on September 30), which revealed that the 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team, fresh from combat duties in Iraq, would be operating inside America for tasks including “civil unrest and crowd control,” a detail that was later denied by Northcom despite the concession that forces would be armed with both non-lethal and lethal weapons as well as having access to tanks…
Poconos gun dealers see hike in sales; customers fear tighter laws under Obama
By Beth Brelje Pocono Record Writer November 12, 2008
Pennsylvanians are "clinging to their guns" more tightly since the election of Barack Obama. Gun and ammunition sales are way up according to local dealers.
"We absolutely have seen an increase. We've more than doubled our normal sales of guns and ammunition," said Jere Dunkelberger, owner of Dunkelberger's Sports Outfitter in Stroudsburg. He says the emphasis is on home and self-protection weapons. Related Stories
Dunkelberger noticed gun sales shot up about four days before the election. "Election day it cooled off a little bit. Since then, we've been very busy," he said.
Same thing in Brodheadsville, where American Sport Shooting owner Richard Flynn has seen an 80 percent increase of gun sales starting a week before the election. "People are stockpiling ammunition too," Flynn said.
And it goes beyond Pennsylvania. "We have seen the same anecdotal evidence across the country. This trend began in the weeks leading up to the election," said National Rifle Association spokesperson Ashley Varner.
The rush to arms is based on fear of restrictions an Obama's administration may put on gun ownership, plus taxes that could be placed on ammunition.
"The other thing that has people concerned is talk of a civilian security force equally funded as the military. Run by him, I guess. We see that as the Gestapo," Flynn said.
In a July 2 speech, Obama told a crowd, "We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded." With an Obama White House on the horizon, some are reacting to campaign speeches like that by purchasing guns.
"The Second Amendment has nothing to do with hunting. It is about being able to protect ourselves against a government gone bad, which is what we have now," Flynn said. "When a president wants to set up his own national army, that alarms people."
Those worried about restrictions to the Second Amendment often refer to a 1999 article in the Chicago Defender newspaper that lists a host of gun restrictions Obama said he was in favor of and says, "Obama is also seeking to increase the federal taxes by 500 percent on the sale of firearm, ammunition — weapons he says are most commonly used in firearm deaths." At time, Obama did not have the power to make such a move.
"It is fair to say, when looking at Obama's record in Illinois and the U.S. Senate, he has a history of supporting increased gun control measures," said Varner of the NRA.
Varner said that an increase in gun sales has been seen at other times when officials supporting stricter gun laws have been voted into office.
"Most of us in the industry feel that he is going to cripple the gun industry. This is a bad precedent for us. We're not very happy," Flynn said.
Gun control advocates say a little restriction would make the streets safer and would be harmless to gun enthusiasts.
"Let's look to Hurricane Katrina. Government agents were going door to door, beating on doors, asking if they had guns, and taking them away," said Varner. "It has happened in recent history. Let's not say it could never happen."
Title: Re: Obama Vows To Create 'Civilian National Security Force'...
Post by: fullautovalmet76 on November 12, 2008, 08:07:07 PM
The album is great too! I remember getting the CD when it came out then and remember thinking how they were fresh and unique for the genre of music they played. I did have to overlook some of their socialist lyrics on some other tracks though; but that seems to be the case for a lot of Rock's more well known bands.....
Title: Re: Obama Vows To Create 'Civilian National Security Force'...
Post by: cooptire on November 12, 2008, 11:40:56 PM
The album is great too! I remember getting the CD when it came out then and remember thinking how they were fresh and unique for the genre of music they played. I did have to overlook some of their socialist lyrics on some other tracks though; but that seems to be the case for a lot of Rock's more well known bands.....
I can't think of any rock band that I really like that I didn't have to ignore some of the lyrics. Shoot I love my wife but I have to ignore some of the things she says too. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: tombogan03884 on November 13, 2008, 01:34:54 AM
I think the band Living Colour was talking about this very thing in 1988....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ5SVDYBNrY
They certainly were, which is what reminded me of the phrase. Although it was first used at a secret meeting of the Communist party leadership by Nikita Khrushchev in his denunciation of Stalin and his "unfortunate cult of the personality". It was the speech that put Nikita in power.
I can't think of any rock band that I really like that I didn't have to ignore some of the lyrics. Shoot I love my wife but I have to ignore some of the things she says too. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Saturday Night Special, I'll turn the radio off if that song comes on.
Title: Re: Obama Vows To Create 'Civilian National Security Force'...
Post by: Hazcat on November 13, 2008, 06:55:29 AM