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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: blackwolfe on November 06, 2008, 06:33:18 PM
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Although the Alaskan senate race is still to close to call it looks as if convicted Senator Ted Stevens will be reelected. If so he will probably be forced to resign or prevented from taking office. This will leave an opening that in many states is filled by an appointment from the Governor, until the next or a special election is held. Governor Palin could certainly run in that election. I wonder if she could appoint herself Senator?
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I think McCain choosing her as his VP was his death blow.
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Talk on this on the radio yesterday was that Alaska does not allow for appointment. It is strictly special election, but Mrs. Palin would be eligible to run without resigning. Based on support during this election, her last election and public polling during the campaign the expert talking heads believe she would make it and that would be a building block for another run in the future.
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I think McCain choosing her as his VP was his death blow.
The economy meltdown sunk McCain.
Some one did a study I think for the year 1936 when the wporld was in an economic slowdown from the great depressio. They studied different countries and different forms of government. What ever party was in power was removed from office regardless of whether it was liberal, conservative, socialist, etc.
For what they're worth the pollsters figured in the end that Palin actually gave a 4-5% boost to McCain
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The economy meltdown sunk McCain.
Some one did a study I think for the year 1936 when the wporld was in an economic slowdown from the great depressio. They studied different countries and different forms of government. What ever party was in power was removed from office regardless of whether it was liberal, conservative, socialist, etc.
For what they're worth the pollsters figured in the end that Palin actually gave a 4-5% boost to McCain
I didn't say it was the only factor... just the last major one. The only people that really liked Palin was the hard core right wing christans... the rest of the GOP didn't like the move. She was a galvnising figure, nothing more. I know of 5 people that were indy, or dem that droped thier support of McCain shortly after the move.
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I didn't say it was the only factor... just the last major one. The only people that really liked Palin was the hard core right wing christans... the rest of the GOP didn't like the move. She was a galvnising figure, nothing more. I know of 5 people that were indy, or dem that droped thier support of McCain shortly after the move.
You do live in CA, so I'm not sure your unscientific poll of acquaintances represents much more than an opinion.
But then I guess I would fall into that hard core right wing "christan" (Christian?) block you alluded to. Still clinging to my guns and my Bibles, BTW.
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So the liberal/progressive wing of the Republican party doesn't like Palin? Here's a factoid: they never liked Ronald Reagan either. The Gipper is my political idol and Sarah reminds me of him in some ways. Palin did not cost McCain the election, nor was she a major factor in his defeat. McCain cost McCain the election. He was a weak candidate and we all tried to "put lipstick on that pig" in supporting him and it didn't work. In fact, Palin's selection probably kept the race closer than it would have been otherwise.
Though it is painful to see this happen, it's time to find out who the real conservatives are. If it means leaving the party, to go where I'm not sure, maybe that's something conservatives need to do. As a conservative/libertarian myself, I have no desire to become like the wussies in the UK who call themselves conservatives; and that is what the progressive wing of the party wants us to become now.
I have been thinking about this election and I'm going to post to or start a thread on the podcast Michael put up on Wednesday. Some of the issues he mentioned need to be vetted and our own ideas need to be tossed out there as well. But before I do all of that, I want to take some time to reflect.
Now back to reflecting....
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Now back to reflecting....
Well, here's another scenario in my honest opinion.
If the people behind Obama's campaign haven't been able to run the most successful campaign ever using modern technology and to reach out to registered and unregistered voters under 30, convincing 2/3 of them to vote for him, we wouldn't discuss what the republicans did wrong.
Another argument we should dwell on is the fact that we have had a secular progressive wind in this county for a longer time than the campaign period infiltrating the education system and the media. Obama was also selected (or convinced) to run by a group of people who knew exactly which button to push. Using him as a facade, they had a better chance to capitalize on their long term investment to move forward social democratic values that embrace goals that has very little to do with traditional American values.
What conservatives and especially NRA and similar organizations need to focus on is the same age group that gave Obama the victory. And we also need a person who can sell the conservative package to this generation.
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What conservatives and especially NRA and similar organizations need to focus on is the same age group that gave Obama the victory. And we also need a person who can sell the conservative package to this generation.
Well stated! Also, having an easily communicated plan combined with a clear vision of the results and benefits doesn't hurt either.
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Well, here's another scenario in my honest opinion.
If the people behind Obama's campaign haven't been able to run the most successful campaign ever using modern technology and to reach out to registered and unregistered voters under 30, convincing 2/3 of them to vote for him, we wouldn't discuss what the republicans did wrong.
Another argument we should dwell on is the fact that we have had a secular progressive wind in this county for a longer time than the campaign period infiltrating the education system and the media. Obama was also selected (or convinced) to run by a group of people who knew exactly which button to push. Using him as a facade, they had a better chance to capitalize on their long term investment to move forward social democratic values that embrace goals that has very little to do with traditional American values.
What conservatives and especially NRA and similar organizations need to focus on is the same age group that gave Obama the victory. And we also need a person who can sell the conservative package to this generation.
Yup. Well said, as per usual.
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I didn't say it was the only factor... just the last major one. The only people that really liked Palin was the hard core right wing christans... the rest of the GOP didn't like the move. She was a galvnising figure, nothing more. I know of 5 people that were indy, or dem that droped thier support of McCain shortly after the move.
She had the one thing McCain lacked, She is a Patriotic Conservitive, not an ass kisser of the dem's. That's why Ca. independents, and RINO's didn't like her, Nor did any others who offer their ass to socialism.
The "Hero worship" offered to McCain is just another example of the democratic tactic of glorifying "victimhood".
As a veteran he desrves our thanks for going into his "Families business" and bombing North Vietnam. As a guy who lost a multi million dollar airplane and got the crap kicked out of him for 5 years he deserves Va benifits and the thought, "Damn, glad it wasn't me." Lots of pilots flew to those exact same targets through just as much AA fire, and actually brought their planes back. He was threatened with recall as a senator and based on the evidence he wasn't that good a pilot.
Ref: www.recallmccain.org
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Another argument we should dwell on is the fact that we have had a secular progressive wind in this county for a longer time than the campaign period infiltrating the education system and the media. Obama was also selected (or convinced) to run by a group of people who knew exactly which button to push. Using him as a facade, they had a better chance to capitalize on their long term investment to move forward social democratic values that embrace goals that has very little to do with traditional American values.
I think this paragraph sums it up well. This is not a one election happening. This is a change that has been worked on for decades of slow change. Once we reached the point of saying "hey the water in this pot is starting to boil" they had enough others that are comfortable with that temperature that voted for more.