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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: Fatman on November 07, 2008, 08:18:16 PM
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The cartridge for each caliber is individually 'tuned' to maximize the effectiveness of the bullet. Flex tip material is a different density across the product line offering.
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• The patented FTX™ bullet will expand reliably EVERY SINGLE TIME!
• Optimized propellants burn quickly, reduce recoil and limit muzzle flash to protect night vision.
• Shiny nickel cases resist tarnish and greatly enhance low-light chamber checks.
Critical Defense™
380 Auto Item No. 90080
38 Special Item No. 90310
38 Special+P Item No. 90311
9 mm Luger Item No. 90250
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A stunning breakthrough in personal defense ammunition design.
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http://www.hornady.com/story.php?s=786 (http://www.hornady.com/story.php?s=786)
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Looks like they took a page from Cor-Bon with the "Power Ball".
Richard
PS: After checking out their video I am of the opinion that this is the ammo designed specificly for the LCP.
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Looks like they took a page from Cor-Bon with the "Power Ball".
Richard
PS: After checking out their video I am of the opinion that this is the ammo designed specificly for the LCP.
No doubt it is the LCP ammo. As to the Power Ball analogy, kinda sorta. The flex tip material Hornady is using fills the entire hollow, and is actually compressed down and bulges at the sides as it does. So the flex material starts the bullet expansion by it's own deformation properties under hydrostatic pressure. Think of it as a gooey eraser. Squeeze it top and bottom and it bulges out.
Powr Ball has a hard polymer ball sitting on top of a conical hollow, and it starts expansion more on a lever principle. Ball goes down, cone moves outward.
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Looks like something I need to investigate. I wonder why didn't think to use their black nickel cases that they market as being more reliable in pistols, but then switched to shiny silver nickel cases for this ammo. They mentioned that it is easier to see the silver nickel than the black nickel in low light brass checks, but nobody should be doing brass checks in low light; you should do your brass check before you leave your house, not before you enter a dark area. Still, the ammo looks good in the propaganda video.
Looks like they took a page from Cor-Bon with the "Power Ball".
Richard
PS: After checking out their video I am of the opinion that this is the ammo designed specificly for the LCP.
This is probably the company and loading that MB has been alluding to for a few months now.
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Looks like something I need to investigate. I wonder why didn't think to use their black nickel cases that they market as being more reliable in pistols, but then switched to shiny silver nickel cases for this ammo. They mentioned that it is easier to see the silver nickel than the black nickel in low light brass checks, but nobody should be doing brass checks in low light; you should do your brass check before you leave your house, not before you enter a dark area. Still, the ammo looks good in the propaganda video.
This is probably the company and loading that MB has been alluding to for a few months now.
Somewhere along the line, someone (who shall not be named) did say it was Hornady developing the LCP specific ammo.
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The .380 has decent ME - 200 ft.-lb. The .38 +P is 394 ft. lb. With guaranteed expansion it sounds good to me. They show the Ruger LCP right on the product spec sheet. http://www.hornady.com/images/sell_sheets/09-critical_defense.pdf
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Any bets on how long it will take to hit the dealers shelves?
Richard
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Since the LCP has a "that which shall not be named", I'm perfectly happy to try and use this Kel-Tec P3AT specific ammo 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
P.S. This Walther PPK/S specific ammo sounds great also... ;D
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The first listing for distribution in the retail channel that I've found is MidwayUSA. You can't order it, but you can sign up for email notification.
Price: $18.49 for 25
Date Expected In-Stock: 11/27/2008
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=352263&t=11082005 (http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=352263&t=11082005)
Product Spec Sheet: http://www.hornady.com/images/sell_sheets/09-critical_defense.pdf
Guns & Ammo article: http://gunsandammomag.com/cs/Satellite/IMO_GA/Story_C/Critical+Defense?packedargs=pagenum%3D2
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Fans of the LCP check out the forum devoted to it. http://LCPforum.com/.
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My dad just picked up some of this for his Kel Tec 380. I'm thinking of getting some of this in .357 Mag. Might not hurt to get a couple boxes of .45 ACP too, for that matter.
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I've noticed Hornady is moving away to the silver nickel plating on all the TAP rounds from their more unique black coating. I picked up a few boxes of .223 55 grain TAP and it's now silver nickel. I don't know what provoked it. Their catalog no longer shows any of the black coated rounds.
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Got some @ McBrides in Austin, TX last week. McBrides is "rich guy's" gun shop-they had stuff we don't see here in KY much-plenty of Ed Brown and Les Bear 1911's in stock and a couple thousand long guns. Browning White Gold BLR Takedown in 270 wsm was cool and should have come home with me !!!!!
#90311 38 spcl +p 110 gr ftx-$26.07
#90250 9mm luger 115 gr ftx $21.88
I have a half dozen boxes of each, have not shot any yet.
They had none in .380 acp.
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Be WARNED I bought 2 boxes of 9mm a few months ago and had 3 failures to fire on the first strike in my M&P9c. 2 came from the first box 1 from the second. >:( After the 3rd FTF I put the remaining 7rds that I haven't fire back in the box and plan on sending it back to Hornady. I would make sure to fire plenty of this ammo through your gun and all from the same lot no. before I would trust it for PD carry!!!!!!! They did all go bang on a second strike but I'm not going to trust my life to a second strike ability!
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I quite carrying TAP in my SD handguns and switched to Gold Dot HP. Mainly because a friend gave me 100 rounds he had stashed away. I keep TAP in my AR15.