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Title: A number to ponder...
Post by: TAB on November 12, 2008, 02:52:22 AM
23163....



can any one tell what what is important about that number?









yes this is gun related, and the answer may just shock you.
Title: Re: A number to ponder...
Post by: alfsauve on November 12, 2008, 06:45:51 AM
That's easy it's the raw mortality number for children of psychiatric inpatients over a 25 year period spanning an age range of birth to 25years old from all causes. 

Everyone recognizes that number.  BTB: The greatest number of excess deaths were attributable to alcohol related disorders

Title: Re: A number to ponder...
Post by: Solus on November 12, 2008, 12:15:05 PM
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Title: Re: A number to ponder...
Post by: MikeBjerum on November 12, 2008, 01:11:36 PM
Do a search on that number and gun related, and it is amazing the things that pop up.
Title: Re: A number to ponder...
Post by: 2HOW on November 12, 2008, 01:41:02 PM
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Title: Re: A number to ponder...
Post by: PegLeg45 on November 12, 2008, 01:52:41 PM
It's about how much money I've lost in the stock market.
Title: Re: A number to ponder...
Post by: twyacht on November 12, 2008, 04:31:56 PM
The number of "newly found" ballots that are going to put Stewert Smalley aka, Al Franken, in the Gov chair in Minn?

Title: Re: A number to ponder...
Post by: ericire12 on November 12, 2008, 06:00:59 PM
Tab-

Why dont you just tell us already!
Title: Re: A number to ponder...
Post by: TAB on November 12, 2008, 06:15:28 PM
Tab-

Why dont you just tell us already!


I was at work...

the answer is...

the number of yearly NRA member ships needed to pay Wayne LaPierre salary...

That number really shocked me.
Title: Re: A number to ponder...
Post by: MikeBjerum on November 12, 2008, 06:19:59 PM
Didn't know it, but it doesn't surprise me.  I know what it costs our professional organization for a director, a lobbiest, and two clerical people, and they don't do near what the NRA does.
Title: Re: A number to ponder...
Post by: TAB on November 12, 2008, 06:26:12 PM
I figured he made about half a mil... I was not expecting just over 800k. 
Title: Re: A number to ponder...
Post by: TSB on November 12, 2008, 06:37:47 PM
I figured he made about half a mil... I was not expecting just over 800k. 

800K is pocket change to most CEO's of the bigger companies...He could make a boatload more as the Chief exec at another organization...
Title: Re: A number to ponder...
Post by: TAB on November 12, 2008, 06:41:02 PM
it depends on the company...  Some CEOs of 100 mil + in sales  compays ( I'm talking about whole foods in this case)   only make 300k.   While others make 10s of millions.
Title: Re: A number to ponder...
Post by: TSB on November 12, 2008, 06:53:32 PM
True.

Walmarts CEO this year on 378 Billion in sales will make over 31 million in salary and stock options, they were number one in total sales.  3M was the lowest sales of 100 companies at 24 billion and their CEO will make just over 17 million in salary and stocks...

GM lost  38 billion this year and the their CEO will make nearly 15 million....

I should have stayed in school and become an asshole!!!  Nice guys do finish last.....
Title: Re: A number to ponder...
Post by: CJS3 on November 12, 2008, 07:02:16 PM

I was at work...

the answer is...

the number of yearly NRA member ships needed to pay Wayne LaPierre salary...

That number really shocked me.


I hope that's a number you all are "one of"
Title: Re: A number to ponder...
Post by: TAB on November 12, 2008, 07:07:21 PM
True.

Walmarts CEO this year on 378 Billion in sales will make over 31 million in salary and stock options, they were number one in total sales.  3M was the lowest sales of 100 companies at 24 billion and their CEO will make just over 17 million in salary and stocks...

GM lost  38 billion this year and the their CEO will make nearly 15 million....

I should have stayed in school and become an asshole!!!  Nice guys do finish last.....

yeah no shit... I still can't figure out how a company can lose money, yet the CEO gets paid... In private companys ( IE not traded)  you lose money, you pay, not get paid.
Title: Re: A number to ponder...
Post by: TSB on November 12, 2008, 07:41:11 PM
yeah no shit... I still can't figure out how a company can lose money, yet the CEO gets paid... In private companys ( IE not traded)  you lose money, you pay, not get paid.

I know and this new auto maker bail out talk is really pissing me off!  Make a decent product at a competative price and people will buy that product!  If you make turds, learn how to improve the smell, improve the product, or close the doors...

That goes for all three of em and I'm a product of the auto industry.  My father and several good friends worked at GM for at least thirty years...
Title: Re: A number to ponder...
Post by: TSB on November 12, 2008, 07:42:09 PM
I hope that's a number you all are "one of"

That's affirmative....
Title: Re: A number to ponder...
Post by: TAB on November 12, 2008, 07:50:57 PM
I know and this new auto maker bail out talk is really pissing me off!  Make a decent product at a competative price and people will buy that product!  If you make turds, learn how to improve the smell, improve the product, or close the doors...

That goes for all three of em and I'm a product of the auto industry.  My father and several good friends worked at GM for at least thirty years...


I'm not saying this becuase I like fords( I do, but in this case its the truth)   I went car shoping with a freind... we hit all the major auto makers, I mean all of them... the only makers that made a decent 4 door small car were:  Honda, Ford, BMW, auido and Volvo.    I mean every single other make were complete crap... I have always heard that toyota camerays were great... what a crock that is, The base line GM was better then the "limited" cameray.   Really the only Choice in makers to get a decent car at a price you could actually aford( less then 30k) were Honda and ford.
Title: Re: A number to ponder...
Post by: twyacht on November 12, 2008, 07:57:32 PM
How about the Red Cross, Unicef, the United Way,... They do good things and the CEO's, and staff, admin, etc,.. all get paid from a "non-profit", aka "tax-exempt" corporation.

The CEO of the United way gets right about half a million, fair? worthy? no one is bitchin' about that figure.

The NRA is not tax-exempt, nor public, nor gov't subsidized,...

What would be a fair salary according to TAB for a private organization. How about the United Way or the Red Cross?
Title: Re: A number to ponder...
Post by: TSB on November 12, 2008, 08:06:34 PM
Dad worked at GM from 1956 to 1986.  I don't believe he owned one Chevy during that entire period.  Disloyal?  I don't think so!  When I worked at GM after my discharge, I bought a Camaro, first new car I ever owned!  It lasted about three years and basically fell apart...1979 to 1982  RIP....

So, I too drive a Ford truck and have owned several other small sedans made by Ford because, their well made, relatively inexpensive and the dealer is NOT ripping people off..  They get decent gas mileage and after all, I only sit in it about an hour a day and I'd much rather spend money on other things.  My car is NOT an extension of something else that I may be lacking....

After all, .45 ammo ain't cheap..... ;D


Title: Re: A number to ponder...
Post by: jaybet on November 12, 2008, 10:39:01 PM
I hate to bash American, but didn't these car guys get a pile of money a ways back as well? Doesn't look like they did a very good job of recovering. It's all we've been hearing for years about how Detroit has to be more competetive and have the better products and what happens? They need a bailout. How about a bailout for the engineering office of 20 employees that's going under because there's zero construction? Or the restaurant that has laid off 10 employees because no one is having Christmas parties this year. Or the vet with the lunch cart who's business is off 45% 'cause workers can't afford to buy a sandwich for lunch every day.

The true impact of this thing is going to be evident come spring when thousands of businesses have closed because no one is buying what they sell . And you can bet that the whole time Washington will be still talking about where to spend what's left of the bailout money after they've pissed it away giving it to their friends.
Title: Re: A number to ponder...
Post by: tombogan03884 on November 13, 2008, 01:55:34 AM

I was at work...

the answer is...

the number of yearly NRA member ships needed to pay Wayne LaPierre salary...

That number really shocked me.


Me too, most heads of 4 million member organizations get Bonus's that are 3 to 5 times that amount, when the head of Home Depot was FIRED by the board of directors he got about $8 million if I remember right.
Title: Re: A number to ponder...
Post by: tombogan03884 on November 13, 2008, 02:00:24 AM
American car companies need to do what Jap car companies do, build cars people can afford to drive that last 500,000 miles
Title: Re: A number to ponder...
Post by: TAB on November 13, 2008, 02:02:09 AM
American car companies need to do what Jap car companies do, build cars people can afford to drive that last 500,000 miles

ford is ranked # 2 in relaiablity( for cars), right behind honda... toyota is not even in the top 10...

hd is the worlds 3rd largest retailer.
Title: Re: A number to ponder...
Post by: Big Frank on November 13, 2008, 02:26:56 AM
Anyone who isn't an NRA memebr needs to sign up so we can keep Wayne LaPierre working for us. We can't afford to lose him. We had less than a million members when I joined the NRA. We have a lot more political clout now thanks to WLP and our board of directors.