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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Magnum on November 22, 2008, 03:56:57 PM
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Hello, Just wanted your thoughts / opinions on this local Gun Buy-Back program.......I have my own opinion, but wanted to hear from all of you on it.
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Great place to get rid of busted old worthless crap that you can't even sell for parts. otherwise a waste of time and money that has been proven ,even to the HUD bureaucrats, to NEVER work. (That's why HUD defunded their buy back program years ago.)
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And of course, I messed up the link and the story post.....Sorry.......Will try again ???
http://www.ohio.com/news/34884884.html
Gun buyback draws crowds
By Jim Carney
Beacon Journal staff writer
POSTED: 01:42 p.m. EST, Nov 21, 2008
The parking lot of the Jerusalem Missionary Baptist Church on East Wilbeth Avenue in Akron had the look of the wild, wild west in a snowstorm this morning.
Men and women stood in line holding rifles, shotguns and pistols. They were waiting to turn in the weapons to get $100 grocery gift cards from Acme Fresh Market stores.
Officials of the Goods For Guns buyback program at the church's two Akron campuses at 270 East Wilbeth Road and 1225 Vernon Odom Boulevard said they had collected about 580 guns by 5 p.m. today and Saturday will be accepting weapons at just one location -- East Wilbeth Road.
The program will run from 10 a.m. to 6 p.m. Saturday. More than 100 gift cards were left to distribute.
The program is sponsored by Summit County Crimestoppers, the city of Akron, Summit County Sheriff Drew Alexander, Acme Fresh Market grocery stores, the Thomarios Co., Medical Mutual, the Dellagnese Co., Summit County Juvenile Court and the Oriana House.
At the start of the buyback this morning, nearly 700 grocery cards were available for people who turned in their guns, said Bill Holland, an inspector with the Summit County Sheriff's Office.
''I got here at around 9 o'clock and there were already people lined up'' outside the church, said Holland, who was overseeing the buyback at the Wilbeth Road location.
Law enforcement officers checked weapons at the door to make sure they were not loaded.
By 10 a.m., a large plastic garbage can was loaded with riffles and shotguns.
As people waited in line outside the church, Holland said, some gun collectors attempted to purchase weapons, but they were asked to leave.
Collected guns were to be destroyed.
Marlayna McKinley-Harmon and her husband, Kenneth Harmon, brought in two handguns.
She carried a purse on which the photograph of her 5-year-old grandson, Logan, was imprinted.
''I don't want him to get ahold of it if he comes over,'' she said.
She turned in a .32-caliber pistol and her husband turned in his father's .25-caliber pistol.
''It will make things safer around the house,'' she said.
Paul Raymond, 46, of Akron, who turned in his late father's .32-caliber pistol.
''There are three families in our parish that can use some food,'' he said, explaining that he decided to turn in the gun and then give one of the families the grocery card.
The Rev. Marc Neal, who has been pastor of the Jerusalem Missionary Baptist Church for the past 15 years, said he thinks the program will help prevent accidental shootings that take place in homes.
''It relieves the easy access of guns being available inside the home,'' Neal said.
Last year, he said, a gun that had been under a mattress was turned in and another loaded gun was found in an Easter basket.
The goal of the program, he said, is to prevent ''as many accidental shootings as possible.''
Neal said each year there are about 4,800 accidental shootings in the United States.
''Every gun turned in,'' he said, could prevent a shooting.
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Jim Carney can be reached at 330-996-3576 or jcarney@thebeaconjournal.com.
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Magnum, my wife showed me that article...didn't want to disappoint her and tell her that the guns were junk and they would probably trade the food cards for dope so I just said the guns were mostly worthless.
Richard
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Wow.
Neal said each year there are about 4,800 accidental shootings in the United States.
4800 accidental shootings (not all deaths, mind you) divided by 250,000,000 million firearms (probably more than than that by now) x 100 = 0.00192%
I must be dense, or maybe my QC training in statistics telling me this is statistically not significant is wrong. In fact, given the 95% rule to prove a hypothesis, I'm shocked (not) that the raw numbers are used instead of a percentage in a shameless attempt to vilify a tool.
by all means use the program to get rid of any wall hangers you can't fire. Most everyone else that turned a gun in did.
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Boston tried one last year. They paid out $140,000 for about 700 guns with Target Gift cards. Most of the 700 guns were junk, unsafe and antique. Some of the older ones were actually placed in museums to be put on display! Remember, the Revolutionary War was fought around here! It did absolutely nothing to remove guns from the streets of Boston. In fact, a Harvard study found that some folks were taking their gift cards and selling them so they could buy newer guns!
FACT...Buybacks don't work! FACT...Bostonians are morons!!!!!
FACT...Parts of Boston are very dangerous places to be regardless of the time of day or color of your skin...I will never get close to Boston without my .45, cocked and locked.....
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Boston tried one last year. They paid out $140,000 for about 700 guns with Target Gift cards. Most of the 700 guns were junk, unsafe and antique. Some of the older ones were actually placed in museums to be put on display! Remember, the Revolutionary War was fought around here! It did absolutely nothing to remove guns from the streets of Boston. In fact, a Harvard study found that some folks were taking their gift cards and selling them so they could buy newer guns!
FACT...Buybacks don't work! FACT...Bostonians are morons!!!!!
FACT...Parts of Boston are very dangerous places to be regardless of the time of day or color of your skin...I will never get close to Boston without my .45, cocked and locked.....
Mass does not honor CC permits from any other state, therefore I do not go to Mass, for the reasons Timothy just listed.
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Hello, Just wanted your thoughts / opinions on this local Gun Buy-Back program.......I have my own opinion, but wanted to hear from all of you on it.
Complete waste of time - used to provide the image of "safety" and "control" when in fact there is little of either. But it is used to show John Q. Public that the police are on the case and "doing all they can" to stop terrorists and evil gun owners. In fact, the police are this close to worthless when it comes to terrorists, gangs and the like. They basically keep the lid on a simmering pot.
Remember the old Hill Street Blues, and the gang summits the Capt. used to hold? Not that far from the truth, just not that public. It's called "Let's make a deal".
BTW, everyone on these boards, any gun owner, can expect to be labeled a "terrorist" under the new regime, especially those with AKs and EBRs. It is a broad label that will be applied to manipulate public opinion.
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So how do you "buy-back" something the city never owned in the first place?
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can you imagine how much cool stuff we could get from the crack heads if we were to do something similar? $100.00 for functional guns. (key word functional) good way to get the guns that aren't in the stores now. -
sorry, just dreaming of all those guns that will be destroyed by the fuzz. :-\
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Well, It seems that the opinions I see so far are on line with my thoughts going into this subject. I think that these programs that run about twice a year in the Akron, OH area are a waste of time because they do nothing to stop the criminals from committing crimes, and may actually ADD to crimes because some of these guns are stolen!! I hope the stolen ones are being returned to their rightful owners, but I have reason to doubt that is the case......I have read that if you go to this sort of program, there are "no questions asked" and you just get your gift card or whatever with no names given or anything, so whats to stop the criminal from trading in a hot gun?? I think this sort of program just feeds the Anti's crazy idea that if no one had any guns, and the gov't "bought-back" all of them, then the world would be a safe place.
And yes, it actually bothered me to think about what COULD be going to be destroyed.......Maybe some really fine firearms or a lot of junk, you just never know.
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So how do you "buy-back" something the city never owned in the first place?
My thoughts exactly! I have never seen a gun dealer participating in this.
I always hear that these programs are a huge success because of all the guns that are off the streets (has anyone here ever seen a gun just lying on the street?). However, the headline in the paper the next day is that someone has been shot. What do they call a success anyway? Oh that's right ... They got an old rusted, busted piece of shit for the price of a debit card that will be spend on crack ... Job well done!
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Great place to get rid of busted old worthless crap that you can't even sell for parts. otherwise a waste of time and money that has been proven ,even to the HUD bureaucrats, to NEVER work. (That's why HUD defunded their buy back program years ago.)
Spot-On!
I participated in a buyback a few years ago and I will tell my story. Many years ago, I was very broke and very ignorant of quality firearms so I bought a Bryco 9mm for $94. This gun was so bad that I had to rack the slide several times to get it to fire once. When one looks up "POS" in the gun dictionary, this gun is recommended as a synonym. It was truly a gun that I should have given to my enemies.
The Jacksonville Sheriff's Office, along with some "community organizers", sponsored a gun buy-up; $50 and no questions asked. When I arrived with the Bryco, there were many people there like me selling guns that did not work. I took the $50 dollars and never looked back. The media covered the event as if the streets of Jacksonville were safer because of this.
Since that time, the murder rate has gone up!
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4800 accidental shootings (not all deaths, mind you) divided by 250,000,000 million firearms (probably more than than that by now) x 100 = 0.00192%
Along that line:
Why Doctors Are 9,000 Times More Likely to Accidentally Kill You Than Gun Owners
A widely publicized report saying that as many as 98,000 people die each year in the United States from medical errors is conservative, and the number is probably much larger than that. The estimate by the Institute of Medicine (IOM) is low because it looked only at deaths of patients at hospitals. The Institute is a private, nonprofit organization that provides health policy advice under a congressional charter to the National Academy of Sciences.
Janet M. Corrigan is the IOM's director of health care services. The Institute is a private, nonprofit organization that provides health policy advice under a congressional charter to the National Academy of Sciences. She told reporters at a Capitol Hill briefing May 8 that the study did not look at medical-error deaths at nursing homes, emergency rooms or in doctors' offices. The mortality estimates are low also because most of the information was based on medical record reviews. Medical errors are a problem that has been hidden from the public for far to long.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2000/05/14/doctor-accidents.aspx