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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: 1776 Rebel on November 30, 2008, 01:59:35 PM
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Looks like it is time to question another major corporation on their stand regards guns and kids. Heard this over at Tom Greshams radio show this afternoon. May be a time to choose another pharmacy?
http://www.cvshealthresources.com/topic/kidsguns
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Yep, and according to the Child Death Review in 2000 there were 6,466 children killed in automobile accidents. Many of these deaths were due to poor or lack of use of proper restraints.
Perspective ... What is the automobile industry doing on their own to solve this outrageous carlessness they creat by building and selling cars?
Gun owner groups, gun manufacturers, shooting and hunting supply manufacturers and retailers are working hard to educate the public on their own and with their own money!
http://www.childdeathreview.org/causesMV.htm (http://www.childdeathreview.org/causesMV.htm)
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Dang ... Forgot it was a drug company. Should have done my search on deaths by accidental overdose and side effects :-[
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What a bunch of crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Unbelievable..................... The stupidity and ignorance that is allowed to breed.
I DID get a kick out of this in the first article..
(Don't give your child a BB gun as a toy -- writer Alice Walker is among the many Americans who have lost an eye to a sibling's BB gun.)
Poor Little Ralphie...... ;D ;D
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Yep, and according to the Child Death Review in 2000 there were 6,466 children killed in automobile accidents. Many of these deaths were due to poor or lack of use of proper restraints.
Perspective ... What is the automobile industry doing on their own to solve this outrageous carlessness they creat by building and selling cars?
Gun owner groups, gun manufacturers, shooting and hunting supply manufacturers and retailers are working hard to educate the public on their own and with their own money!
http://www.childdeathreview.org/causesMV.htm (http://www.childdeathreview.org/causesMV.htm)
Most of those 'child' deaths are murders. Last I checked, the people putting out the numbers (Brady or another group, I forget) classified under 23 or there abouts as 'children', and included gang murders, etc. in the numbers. The context in which this number is usually presented leads the reader to believe the number represents accidental deaths.
I actually found a listing of cause of accidental deaths by age on the web years ago. Child accidental death by firearm was extremely low.
This isn't the one, but it serves to show the discrepencies
Injury Facts
Firearm Injury (Unintentional)
The Facts
Unintentional shootings account for nearly 20 percent of all firearm-related fatalities among children ages 14 and under, compared with 3 percent for the entire U.S. population. Americans possess nearly 200 million firearms, including 65 million handguns. Approximately one-third of families with children (representing more than 22 million children in 11 million homes) keep at least one gun in the home. Gun owners keep firearms in the home for hunting and recreation (60 percent) or for protection and crime prevention (40 percent). Guns in the home for protection are more likely to be handguns, found in a home with children, and stored loaded and unlocked.
Exposure to guns and access to a loaded firearm increase the risk of unintentional firearm-related death and injury to children. Unrealistic perceptions of children's capabilities and behavioral tendencies with regard to guns are common. These include misunderstanding a child's ability to gain access to and fire a gun, distinguish between real and toy guns, make good judgments about handling a gun and consistently follow rules about gun safety. Promoting the safe storage of firearms in the home and reducing their availability and accessibility are important steps in preventing unintentional firearm-related death and injury among children.
FIREARM DEATHS AND INJURIES
* In 2001, 72 children ages 14 and under died from unintentional firearm-related injuries. Children ages 10 to 14 accounted for 54 percent of these deaths.
* In 2002, more than 800 children ages 14 and under were treated in hospital emergency rooms for unintentional firearm-related injuries; 35 percent of these injuries were severe enough to require hospitalization.
http://www.usa.safekids.org/tier3_cd.cfm?folder_id=540&content_item_id=1131 (http://www.usa.safekids.org/tier3_cd.cfm?folder_id=540&content_item_id=1131)
Big difference between 72 and a couple of thousand...
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Reading this article, I guess a kid shouldn't have a drivers license until they are at least 21.... >:(
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Just an anti-gun hate filled rant
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Big difference between 72 and a couple of thousand...
So they fudged a little on the numbers, remember they lied for the children after all.
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With the number of guns we have in the U.S. only one in several million will kill a child in an accident. On the other hand lightning strikes will kill on average more than 1 out of a quarter million people. Why doesn't Congress try to outlaw lighning? Where's the public outcry against it? Why aren't there several groups lobbying against it?
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When is a child old enough to use a gun responsibly?
Never, according to the American Academy of Pediatrics. This is what the distinguished organization has to say about children and guns: Never allow your child access to your gun(s). No matter how much instruction you may give him or her, a youngster in the middle years is not mature and responsible enough to handle a potentially lethal weapon. Certainly the recent wave of school massacres give ample evidence of that.
I almost fell out of my chair laughing when I read that one.
Recalling my own childhood, and the number of guns available to me when I was in grade school, it's only by sheer luck that anyone in my city is alive. ::) ::)
But drink the Koolaid and shut up: IT'S FOR THE CHILDREN!
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lightning strikes will kill on average more than 1 out of a quarter million people. Why doesn't Congress try to outlaw lighning? Where's the public outcry against it? Why aren't there several groups lobbying against it?
Now that is an idea. We can have signs made up with showing a lightning bolt in the Slashed Red Circle, declare Lightning Free Zones around schools and playgrounds.
Owners of Golf Courses and other businesses could post their property as Lightning Free or not, at their discression.
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Now that is an idea. We can have signs made up with showing a lightning bolt in the Slashed Red Circle, declare Lightning Free Zones around schools and playgrounds.
Owners of Golf Courses and other businesses could post their property as Lightning Free or not, at their discression.
Don't forget to ban, or at least tax heavily, golf clubs and trees. Both are terrible perpetuators of death by lightning, you know like ammo. ::)
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Well, since drug stores are now telling me how to raise my kids, maybe they ought to pitch in a few buck to help out with the expenses.
Just another on the long list of 'self-righteous a$$holes" telling us non-thinkers how to do things 'right'.
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Should we ban Lightning Rods because they have no Sporting Purpose?
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Should we ban Lightning Rods because they have no Sporting Purpose?
Only the evil black ones ones of color ;)
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Instead of telling your kids to say no to drugs you can tell tem to say no to drug stores. There are places other than CVS that will be glad to take their money and not tell you how to raise them.
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Here's a question....WHERE are the reliable statistics? This would be a good place for the NRA to serve their membership. Maybe they have done this already but it's not "out there" enough..
They could collect gun related statistics with iron-clad proof and backup of the credibility of the studies, so that all of us (including the press and legal professions) have access to the REAL facts. It would be a lot easier to shut some of these jackasses up if we had supportable statistics and facts.
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I sent to CVS...since we did do business with them (Jaybeth I posted a link to CDC sometimes in November that had the statistics on U.S. mortality...gotta go to work now so no time to find it),
"My wife orders Coreg, Lasix, and few other drugs from you for her maintenance drugs that control her heart condition.
The following article, "Children's Health Kids and Guns" is at once both inaccurate and offensive. Your business is to merchant drugs; not to be politically active.
We will no longer purchase drugs from CVS.
Name
Address
Skiatook, OK"
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I sent them a letter including a correction for their bogus statistics, a comment for their committee that authored that article to keep to their day jobs as they are incompetant outside their field, and a promise to pass the word as well as no more business at their stores, website, etc. I received a reply they had forwarded my letter to the appropriate people - probably the circular file!
Everyone needs to get in on this - letters, boycott & pass the word. If we get no response, maybe some signs in front of their places of business are in order?!
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Bumper sticker campaign......??
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Good idea.
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Another way to act is with your business cards. I have written notes on the back of my card and handed them to businesses in the past, however I just finished making some stickers I can place on the back and hand to a business.
My current sticker simply says "Due to your stance on guns and gun control I will not support you with my business."
If I know of a business like CVS I will make a stop just to give this message to the management. If I stop for gas or food and am faced with a no guns sign I will present them with the message and leave. My favorite, forgive me if I've told this before, is to see a no guns sign after I've started refueling. At that point I will stand outside, knock on the window, and make them come outside to transact business. I waited on gas customers through most of my jr. high, high school and vo-tech years, so why can't they do it today when they won't let me in the door?
I have sent an e-mail and a printed letter to the NRA asking them to renew the rolling billboard program the had against Phillips/Conoco for an attack on CVS. I encourage everyone to do the same with the NRA and any other organization you are a part of.
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This type of thing with CVS is the same reason I don't partake at Pizza Hut anymore.
There was an incident back in April:
Employee Right’s Stifled in Iowa!
Friday, April 25, 2008
This week, James William Spiers, a Pizza Hut delivery person, was “asked to resign” from Pizza Hut after a recent incident where he defended himself with a firearm. On this particular delivery an armed male confronted Spiers, and instead of becoming a victim, Spiers, a law-abiding gun owner, defended himself with his handgun. Spiers was acquitted of assault, but Pizza Hut fired him.
Please take a moment and contact Pizza Hut Headquarters at (972) 338-7700 and urge them to support their employees’ Second Amendment rights to self-defense.
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?id=3861
I think m58 has a good idea.
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This type of thing with CVS is the same reason I don't partake at Pizza Hut anymore.
There was an incident back in April:
Employee Right’s Stifled in Iowa!
Friday, April 25, 2008
This week, James William Spiers, a Pizza Hut delivery person, was “asked to resign” from Pizza Hut after a recent incident where he defended himself with a firearm. On this particular delivery an armed male confronted Spiers, and instead of becoming a victim, Spiers, a law-abiding gun owner, defended himself with his handgun. Spiers was acquitted of assault, but Pizza Hut fired him.
Please take a moment and contact Pizza Hut Headquarters at (972) 338-7700 and urge them to support their employees’ Second Amendment rights to self-defense.
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?id=3861
I think m58 has a good idea.
You better not get pizza from some of the other places either. I recall a Dominos driver getting fired for defending himself. I believe the same thing happened at Little Ceasers too, but maybe it was a different pizza place.
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Little Ceasers doesn't deliver (at least here they don't)
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I don't get pizza at any of those places...we have Tony's. They're all arabs named Tony (can't figure it out) but they cook some mean italian food and awesome pizza. We call it terrorist pizza. Those guys are all packin' anyway- this is america!
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jumbo - your avatar is starting to get to me - is that spittle hanging off the lip?
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jumbo - your avatar is starting to get to me - is that spittle hanging off the lip?
Heck if I know. It could be. What do you expect from a guy who gets drunk and shoots his lawnmower to death?
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Heck if I know. It could be. What do you expect from a guy who gets drunk and shoots his lawnmower to death?
Tips on lawn care?
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Heck if I know. It could be. What do you expect from a guy who gets drunk and shoots his lawnmower to death?
Knee-high grass?
;D
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Knee-high grass?
;D
I don't think the "grass police" would be in any hurry to post his lawn either! ;)
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I don't think the "grass police" would be in any hurry to post his lawn either! ;)
Especially if he's sitting on the front steps...lookin' like THAT. ;D