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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: dalea on December 03, 2008, 06:03:03 PM
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Before people start to make fun of me I know a 44 special can be fired in a magnum cylinder. I do it all the time in my 629 mountain revolver. My question though is this. I know after much firing a revolver can suffer from "flame cutting" where the top strap is eroded in front of the cylinder. I think at least one company puts a groove in this location from the start. Now can repeated use of specials in a mag chamber cause this same cutting on the walls of the cylinder? As in maybe pitting or such making magnum case extraction sticky.
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Damn! I wanted to make fun of you but that is a good question!
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We have a couple of machinists and gunsmiths on here that should be able to answer you. Tombogan comes to mind.
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I'm not a GS or machinist but it is my understanding from a lot of reading that the only problem in shooting spl. in a mag. gun is lead and powder fouling at the mouth of the case that might keep mag. ammo from seating fully in the cylinder. A good cleaning keeps this to a minimum and is recommended anyway. I have not heard anyone say they encountered gas/flame cutting at that spot. Others might have heard differently.
Richard
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I think the flame cutting and erosion of top straps was/is due to the path of least resistance being blocked by the top strap at or around a 90 degree angle to the blast gasses.
You don't get the same erosion in cylinder walls (presumably) because the blast gasses and particles flow forward/outward, unobstructed except for being blocked by the top strap.
It's not that it's not happening to the cylinder walls, it's just that it is so much slower.
Kind of like water erosion.
Point the open end of a pipe with flowing water toward a concrete surface at around 90 degrees. The concrete will erode much faster than the pipe will.
I may be off the mark here regarding the physics. Maybe someone more learned than I may be able to enlighten us more.
Just my theory, along with two somewhat shiny pennies.
8)
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no thats pretty much dead on.
Flame cutting is only a really a prob if your really pushing the envolpe load wise.
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Flame cuting only happens on magnums and super-magnums and it's on the bottom of the topstrap, not in the chambers.
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Thanks everyone for the answers. This concerns me only because I have some serious and some stupid OCD's and this is one of them. As good and accurate as all the answers and explanations are, the thought would keep me up at night. It has for that matter. There is actually only one soulution. I like big caliber wheelguns. Especialy those that start with a 4. Can anyone suggest a S&W wheelgun in .44 special that is light and concealable? That might be my only hope.
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http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=11101&langId=-1&productId=67971&tabselected=tech&isFirearm=Y&parent_category_rn=15705 (http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=11101&langId=-1&productId=67971&tabselected=tech&isFirearm=Y&parent_category_rn=15705)
Take a look at this one. Not sure of the size. I have a hammerless J frame that I love in my pocket, and I have a 625 that there is no way to carry or use concealed (big and honkin snagger of a hammer). This one has a hammer, but is a lightweight frame and five shot that should make it smaller.
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I'm late but as was said, Lead and powder build up are a concern in the cylinder, if you fire .44 specials (or 38's in .357 Mag ) clean the chambers before loading magnums, Flame cutting will not occur becuase the gasses blow out the front of the chamber.
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Nanny, nanny, boo, boo!!!
Now that I've made fun of you I will send my 2 cents...with 357s firing 38s the only problem has been fouling in the chamber at the rim of the 38 cartrige. if it is allowed to build up it makes it very difficult to load and eject the 357s. Regular cleaning, with special attention to the "business end" of the chambers should keep it from being a problem.
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I also have a J frame 637 I carry a lot in a milt sparks summer special. I was practicing fast draws the other day, unloaded of course when the hammer snagged my drawers. My wife laughed her rear off. Needless to say, my Smith & Wedgie is now hammerless. I need to test it this weekend to make sure it still works.
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I also have a J frame 637 I carry a lot in a milt sparks summer special. I was practicing fast draws the other day, unloaded of course when the hammer snagged my drawers. My wife laughed her rear off. Needless to say, my Smith & Wedgie is now hammerless. I need to test it this weekend to make sure it still works.
Your honesty and candor is much appreciated.
Now, I'm laughin' MY ass off too .........(and, that's a whole lot o' laughin')....... ;D ....(no remarks, Haz).... ;D
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Smith & Wedgie :) LOL
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Your honesty and candor is much appreciated.
Now, I'm laughin' MY ass off too .........(and, that's a whole lot o' laughin')....... ;D ....(no remarks, Haz).... ;D
DARN! and I had such good ones, too! :(
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Hey this is an open forum (mostly). Go ahead Haz need some more laughs!
Richard
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Hey this is an open forum (mostly). Go ahead Haz need some more laughs!
Richard
No, I shall respect the request of the jolly, one legged, fat man with the large buttocks. (after all do you know for sure that Santa has two good legs?) ;D
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Your honesty and candor is much appreciated.
Now, I'm laughin' MY ass off too .........(and, that's a whole lot o' laughin')....... ;D ....(no remarks, Haz).... ;D
I'm lost ... My boss is getting pissed because I can't focus ... No matter what I try to do I just keep trying to picture a one legged pirate with no ass ???
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I'm lost ... My boss is getting pissed because I can't focus ... No matter what I try to do I just keep trying to picture a one legged pirate with no ass ???
Arrh, that be puzzlin me as well matey. :)
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Well, hell..... fire away Haz (and any body else, for that matter). I can handle the abuse, I'm married. ;D
It took a while to grow my ass back after I left my last job. Upper management didn't like the maintenance dept., so anything that went foul was blamed on us....leading to a good ass-chewing.
For a while I had to resort to stuffing the seat of my pants with pillows and tighten my belt.
Then I married a better cook than me, left the job, and grew it back.
Hanging around here has given me the opportunity to loose a little at a time (laughing it off) when dealing with you characters.
You guys are better than the 'Atkins Diet'.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I've said it before...My says I'm all A**!
Richard
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I made a goof about saying my J frame was hammerless. I meant to say I bobbed the hammer. That is after it bobbed me. That's all moot though. I would rather hear about one leggeg no ass pirates who can't cook. Man I love this place. You folks are rude, crude, and socially unacepted. Ill fit right in just fine. (In a Yakov Smirnof accent) "What a country, I love this place!)
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You folks are rude, crude, and socially unacepted.
>:( Hey, Hey, Hey ... I ... I ... Um ... Ah ... Thank You, that's the nicest thing anyone has said in a long time ;D
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>:( Hey, Hey, Hey ... I ... I ... Um ... Ah ... Thank You, that's the nicest thing anyone has said in a long time ;D
Only to you M58! The rest of us get compliments like that all the time. ;D
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Only to you M58! The rest of us get compliments like that all the time. ;D
Pshaw! (Who says that any more???) I just got 'complimented' by my wife after putting down a laminate floor w/ some pretty complex cuts for two days (and getting stiff every place but one) - "Make sure you don't ruin this job by not cleaning up." *Mumble, mumble* clean this *mumble*
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Pshaw! (Who says that any more???) I just got 'complimented' by my wife after putting down a laminate floor w/ some pretty complex cuts for two days (and getting stiff every place but one) - "Make sure you don't ruin this job by not cleaning up." *Mumble, mumble* clean this *mumble*
What does she think you keep HER around for (besides the cooking ) ?
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And my girlfriends complain about me being a macho Mexican. You guys are the same.
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And my girlfriends complain about me being a macho Mexican. You guys are the same.
;D I'm probably worse ;D
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My wife compliments me all the time. Like the other day for example, she said "Get your big ass out of the kitchen, I just mopped".
;D
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My wife compliments me all the time. Like the other day for example, she said "Get your big ass out of the kitchen, I just mopped".
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Yer just lucky she doesn't shoot ya for the round dents that peg leaves in the floor! ;D
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I'm sorry all, but I can't help but feel sorry for pegleg45's wife. How would you feel if you walked into the bedroom and caught your husband rubbing his peg with tung oil under the covers. See this? I've been on this forum for only a couple of days and I'm already as bad as everyone here my wife was right. I am only as good as the company I keep.
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I'm sorry all, but I can't help but feel sorry for pegleg45's wife. How would you feel if you walked into the bedroom and caught your husband rubbing his peg with tung oil under the covers. See this? I've been on this forum for only a couple of days and I'm already as bad as everyone here my wife was right. I am only as good as the company I keep.
I use shellac, thank you very much....keeps the termites out. :D
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Don't go gettin cocky on us yet. You haven't arrived until you 've been sentenced to corner time by M'ette, and then wondered out on your own without permission ;D
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Don't go gettin cocky on us yet. You haven't arrived until you 've been sentenced to corner time by M'ette, and then wondered out on your own without permission ;D
As the great Rooster J. Cogburn once said, "Now my tail-feathers may droop a little, and my wattles show. But I can still out crow anything in the barnyard".
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Eh... I guess I better tone it down a bit and be good. I always get in trouble when I have fun.
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As the great Rooster J. Cogburn once said, "Now my tail-feathers may droop a little, and my wattles show. But I can still out crow anything in the barnyard".
Viagra ?
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Well now, I wouldn't have anything to crow about if I needed that......... no problems there........ but thanks for asking. ;D
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LOL ;D
I can hear M'ette now. aaa 44 special in a 44 mag cylinder, viagra, under the covers. :o
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Viagra might cause one to try to put a .44 mag in a .44 special cylinder......no go bang for you. ;D
They gave me Viagra when I was in the hospital....it kept me from rolling out of bed. ;)
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Eh... I guess I better tone it down a bit and be good. I always get in trouble when I have fun.
How do you think we wind up in the corner ;D
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Eh... I guess I better tone it down a bit and be good. I always get in trouble when I have fun.
Hell no! We LIKE company in the 'corner'! ;D