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Title: Learn something new every day
Post by: Fatman on December 10, 2008, 07:44:30 PM
Currently watching the shite part of a shite sandwich lineup on AMC tonight (Quigley Down Under, Posse, Ride with the Devil)
and I see a pump action shotgun in the Van Peeble flick.

Impossible! Until I google the pump action and see Browning had an 1893 model.  Also found out the original pumps had no disconnector - hold the trigger down and they fired as fast as you pumped.  ;D
Title: Re: Learn something new everyday
Post by: TSB on December 10, 2008, 07:54:47 PM
I got a kick from the movie "Titanic" where the bad guy was carrying a Colt Model of 1911, Nickel Plated, a real beauty....  A pistol that, as of the sinking of Titanic on April 14, 1912, was not commercially available to the public yet...

Almost as good as the never empty 1911 in most Steven Segal movies....the bottomless magazine.....
Title: Re: Learn something new everyday
Post by: Big Frank on December 10, 2008, 07:57:56 PM
The '97 didn't have a disconnector either. I would love to have one in riot gun configuration with a M1917 bayonet.  :)
Title: Re: Learn something new everyday
Post by: alfsauve on December 10, 2008, 09:07:17 PM
I got a kick from the movie "Titanic" where the bad guy was carrying a Colt Model of 1911, Nickel Plated, a real beauty....  A pistol that, as of the sinking of Titanic on April 14, 1912, was not commercially available to the public yet..

Well, yes, but the bad guy worked for one of the "captains of industry" so it's entirely possible that he had access to the latest weaponry.   
Title: Re: Learn something new every day
Post by: 1776 Rebel on December 10, 2008, 10:05:41 PM
Is it possible the Titantic pistol was a 1910?

http://www.usfirearms.com/cat/1910.asp

updated....

Here is a downloadable history of the 1911 design...

http://www.hlebooks.com/ebook/col4load.htm
Title: Re: Learn something new every day
Post by: Fatman on December 10, 2008, 10:10:24 PM
(http://www.usfirearms.com/im/1910_sm.jpg)


Argh! Didn't your momma tell you not to tease the fat man?
Title: Re: Learn something new everyday
Post by: Fatman on December 10, 2008, 10:22:49 PM
I got a kick from the movie "Titanic" where the bad guy was carrying a Colt Model of 1911, Nickel Plated, a real beauty....  A pistol that, as of the sinking of Titanic on April 14, 1912, was not commercially available to the public yet...

Almost as good as the never empty 1911 in most Steven Segal movies....the bottomless magazine.....

I remember being bored stiff in the theater watching Titanic. The high point was when the BG fired, puncturing the bulkheads and I remember saying (a little louder than I thought), "So that's why it sank. Can we leave now?". Guy behind us made some comment about me and my B-I-L being 'insensitive louts'. Bad thing, as he had already made other disparaging comments about my B-I-L who was in camo (just out of the Corp) and I had already calmed him down once. 

Long story short, there was blood and I thought it best to leave.   Semper Fi!  ;D
Title: Re: Learn something new every day
Post by: tombogan03884 on December 11, 2008, 12:51:24 AM
I remember being bored stiff in the theater watching Titanic. The high point was when the BG fired, puncturing the bulkheads and I remember saying (a little louder than I thought), "So that's why it sank. Can we leave now?". Guy behind us made some comment about me and my B-I-L being 'insensitive louts'. Bad thing, as he had already made other disparaging comments about my B-I-L who was in camo (just out of the Corp) and I had already calmed him down once. 

Long story short, there was blood and I thought it best to leave.   Semper Fi!  ;D


DO or Die Fatman  ;D

Currently watching the shite part of a shite sandwich lineup on AMC tonight (Quigley Down Under, Posse, Ride with the Devil)
and I see a pump action shotgun in the Van Peeble flick.

Impossible! Until I google the pump action and see Browning had an 1893 model.  Also found out the original pumps had no disconnector - hold the trigger down and they fired as fast as you pumped.  ;D


Didn't you ever see "The magnificent seven" ? Yul Brenner did just that. There was another old western, I think it was an early Clint Eastwood one, were the bad guy had a Broom handle Mauser.
Title: Re: Learn something new every day
Post by: TSB on December 11, 2008, 05:52:51 AM
Is it possible the Titantic pistol was a 1910?

Possible, but that sucks the fun out of hating that movie!!! ;D

(http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo283/tsbevins/movieprop.jpg)
Title: Re: Learn something new every day
Post by: Pathfinder on December 11, 2008, 06:09:26 AM
I remember being bored stiff in the theater watching Titanic.

Titanic - greatly overrated movie, like the English Patient. Best part (of Titanic) - other than the damn boat finally sinking - was Kate Winslet naked. She needed to be moving around, but it was good as is.

Didn't you ever see "The magnificent seven" ? Yul Brenner did just that. There was another old western, I think it was an early Clint Eastwood one, were the bad guy had a Broom handle Mauser.

That would be the movie Joe Kidd.
Title: Re: Learn something new everyday
Post by: Bidah on December 11, 2008, 09:14:25 AM
I got a kick from the movie "Titanic" where the bad guy was carrying a Colt Model of 1911, Nickel Plated, a real beauty....  A pistol that, as of the sinking of Titanic on April 14, 1912, was not commercially available to the public yet...

Almost as good as the never empty 1911 in most Steven Segal movies....the bottomless magazine.....

I have a Colt Model 1911, that is a low serial number, purchased new in 1911 and is a commercial model.  It has been in my family since purchased, and carried by soldiers as a personal arm.  So yes, it is plausible.  It does bite my hand bad... :)

-Bidah
Title: Re: Learn something new every day
Post by: Fatman on December 11, 2008, 09:28:41 AM
Titanic - greatly overrated movie, like the English Patient. Best part (of Titanic) - other than the damn boat finally sinking - was Kate Winslet naked. She needed to be moving around, but it was good as is.

That would be the movie Joe Kidd.

Could you imagine Titanic and the English Patient being sold as a 2 DVD set? Could be the ultimate cure for insomnia.
Title: Re: Learn something new everyday
Post by: TSB on December 11, 2008, 10:54:11 AM
I have a Colt Model 1911, that is a low serial number, purchased new in 1911 and is a commercial model.  It has been in my family since purchased, and carried by soldiers as a personal arm.  So yes, it is plausible.  It does bite my hand bad... :)

-Bidah

Good for you Bidah.  It's a rare piece...

The information I have on commercial models is as follows though I have no way to confirm the validity of the serial numbers...

Colt Commercial Production: Govt. Model: 1912 to 1981

Model 1911
Serial Numbers                              Date                Number Made

S/N C1         to C1899                      1912                          1899                 
S/N C1900   to C5399                      1913                          3500                 
S/N C5400   to C16599                    1914                          11,200             
S/N C16600 to C27599                    1915                          11,000             
S/N C27600 to C74999                    1916                          47,400             
S/N C75000 to C98999                    1917                          24,000             
S/N C99000 to C105999                  1918                          7000                 
S/N C106000 to C120999                1919                          15,000             
S/N C121000 to C126999                1920                          6000                 
S/N C127000 to C128999                1921                          2000                 
S/N C129000 to C129999                1922                          1000                 
S/N C130000 to C133999                1923                          4000                 
Title: Re: Learn something new every day
Post by: tombogan03884 on December 11, 2008, 11:40:36 AM
Titanic - greatly overrated movie, like the English Patient. Best part (of Titanic) - other than the damn boat finally sinking - was Kate Winslet naked. She needed to be moving around, but it was good as is.

That would be the movie Joe Kidd.

Best part of Titanic was the first 5 or 10 minutes with the actual footage of the wreck.

Joe Kidd ? That was Eastwood then ?
Title: Re: Learn something new every day
Post by: PegLeg45 on December 11, 2008, 02:27:49 PM
Best part of Titanic was the first 5 or 10 minutes with the actual footage of the wreck.

Joe Kidd ? That was Eastwood then ?

Yep. Eastwood played Joe Kidd, the drunk tracker/hunter. I spent a month in ICU and that damned movie came on 17 times on AMC.
The guy with the Broomhandle Mauser was Lamar, one of Robert Duvall's character's cronies.
There was also a takedown-style hunting rifle that was used but I don't know what type of rifle it was. Anyone?
Title: Re: Learn something new every day
Post by: Big Frank on December 11, 2008, 06:05:42 PM
The broomhandle Mauser was built in 1896, so it actually was around in the late 19th century, just like the 1894 Winchester rifle, but I'm not sure how many cowboys used either one.