The Down Range Forum
Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: Big Frank on December 12, 2008, 09:53:42 PM
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The Lyndhurst Police Department has recently had a failure to one of its Glock 32's. .357sig. While
qualifying at the range an officer experienced a weapon malfunction and difficulty dropping the
magazine. Upon closer inspection of the weapon it showed that the Receiver was completely
cracked through, from the locking block pin hole up to the top of the receiver. On the inside of the
receiver the locking block pin was sheared and the internal part of the receiver is bent.
These weapons have been in service since April of 2000. If there are any other departments that
has experinced anything similar to this please contact Captain Cinardo at 201-939-2900 ext:253 or
Sgt. Devlin at 201-939-2900 ext:273
Pics here. http://ammoguide.com/myag/parts/attentionfirearmsinstructors.pdf
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oh noes, a glock broke... they never do that, they are prefect... ::)
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This doesn't sound like the mythical exploding Glocks that may or may not blow up from badly reloaded ammo. This sounds like something else to me. If it's only .357 SIG caliber I won't buy that one. I didn't realize this was from last year. I thought it was something new. Sorry.
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No Sorry needed, JF, especially if it's last year, I would like to know the round count through the pistol, it may not matter, but would be informative. The fracture looks like battering, and the .357 Sig is hot, and the main reason I don't own one is they are LOUD, louder than a model 19, 2 1/2" barrel S&W .357 magnum with the real stuff.
Damn, a Glock finally broke. I would like to know more about why perhaps, since it's been a year, did the department get any answers back? Maybe the officer who owned it, shot a lot of factory through it, and the frames will have this happen! Only time and record keeping will tell. Hell, 8 years old with who knows how many rounds through it, flaw from the beginning or lots of trigger time with a cartridge that is double + the pressure of a .45 acp.
Let us know if you get any follow up on this. ;D
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It may have had a bazillion rounds through it. I talked to a guy in a gun store when it was still a new caliber and he said his .357 SIG was the most accurate pistol he owns. I don't remember the make and model but I think it was a SIG. The ballistics are impressive, so with accuracy and power too I thought it sounded like a good caliber. The .400 Cor-Bon sounds good too but I can't afford one of every caliber.
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The sammi presure limits are actually higher for the 357 sig then they are for the 10 mm
Think about that for a second :o
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JF...one of every cal. just takes a little longer!
Richard
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I have heard of/seen only a few cracked Glocks. They both did not explode, they both had cracked. They both belonged to local Sheriff Deptartment Deputies. And in both cases the deputies ...later admitted that they had both shot very hot reloads..which in turn caused the cracks. I suspect this might have happened here. Only time Glock has a problem is when you don't clean the barrel good or when you don't change out the barrel and shoot reloads through the regular barrel.
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The local deputies had 4 of 230 new Glocks break frame rails the first year they were in use. Another local PD noticed some cracked slides on their Glock 40s (still worked, just changed POI). Glocks are tough guns, but NOBODY makes "perfection".
Berettas, SIGs, HKs, and S&Ws have cracked slides and/or frames too. P226s in the final XM9 trials cracked frames under 7K rounds. Swiss cops had P229 slides crack w 9mm duty ammo made to CIP specs (about same as SAAMI +P limit). Stuff happens to everybody sooner or later.
FWIW, internal testing done by SIG showed the DHS 40 duty ammo (155g at 1195 fps) was harder on their guns than the DHS 357SIG duty ammo (125g at 1350 fps) even though the 357 operated at higher pressures. A P229/357 in federal service had over 100K of duty ammo through it. Does not mean they can all do that, plenty have not, but at least one did.
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When ever there is large scale manufacturing of anything, there are going to be errors. Thats why Six Sigma came into being..... to try to reduce those errors to as minuscule of a percentile as possible. No product is perfect, and anytime you have controlled explosions there is always the possibility of mishaps.
This could also have been a bad factory load with too much gun powder.... They too are also not immune from mistakes.
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I starting to think it was a great idea to get rid of my H&K P2000 in .357 Sig. I didn't like the paddle release and the cost of the ammo, but it also appears that I might have avoided a new paperweight had I kept the gun. Still, I suspect that the .357 Sig cartridge is a good one for self-defense and law enforcement, even if it will kill your gun faster than a .40.