The Down Range Forum
Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: ericire12 on December 12, 2008, 10:20:33 PM
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Hit!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdqIhmu9Fuk
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Shoot yeah, buddy. 8)
I'm a 1911 man to the bone...it'll always be my favorite.
BUT, I do love my little G27 too. It's a good shooter.
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And Munson can hit a balloon at 200 yards with a Smith snubbie.....Indian, not the arrow. ;)
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And Munson can hit a balloon at 200 yards with a Smith snubbie.....Indian, not the arrow. ;)
Here is balloon at 200 yards with a .45
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9ajwIqOoOs
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And Munson can hit a balloon at 200 yards with a Smith snubbie.....Indian, not the arrow. ;)
Bob Munden is a pretty good Indian. ;)
I have hit 5 of 6 clay pigeons (laying on the back berm at the range) with my short-barreled Super blackhawk at 120 yards off handed.
But that was about as good as I could do at that range. Put a paper target up at the same distance and they were all over the place.
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All I'm saying is you can give a 'bad' gun to a great shooter and he/she will still beat you.
I had a cousin (later went Marine sniper) who would give me the best .22 and he would take one that dropped 1 inch diagonally to the right at 50 yards. Whistle a ground hog up at 100 yards and he could nail it in the eye before you could aim. Indian, not arrow.
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I'm agreeing with you on all counts, old sport. ;)
I have a good friend that is the same way.
I could do good with an Anshutz........he can do better with bent-barreled, smooth-bore musket.
8)
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I'm agreeing with you on all counts, old sport. ;)
I have a good friend that is the same way.
I could do good with an Anshutz........he can do better with bent-barreled, smooth-bore musket.
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LOL! Don't that kinda stuff make ya HUMBLE!
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I've known many a people that can hit a ballon at 100 with a snub 5 out of 6 times. shorter barrels tend to be more accurate then longer ones. its just that your site radius sucks.
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The longer it takes the bullet to get out of the barrel the more likely you are to pull the shot, right?
My dad's friend who we used to go camping with had a Luger he brought home as a war trophy. He would shoot empty .22 shells off a log with it. No idea what the range was, not far, but those are some small targets and he nailed them all the time.
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LOL! Don't that kinda stuff make ya HUMBLE!
Yes...and much less likely to piss of my friend, too.... ;)
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TABs right, sort of, I don't know about MORE accurate, although Frank has a good point, but I was listening to some one, (Either MB or Tom Gresham) talking about shooting a J frame with Crimson Trace grips and the point made was that once the sight radius variable was removed there was no differance in accuracy between 2 inch and 6 inch barrels.
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My understanding is that it has to do with the vibrations of the barrel.
assuming you can put enought spin on the bullet.
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With my eyes it goes like this 6 & 8 inch barrles make it hard for me to see front and back sights plus target. With rifles and 5.5 and under handguns I can see both sights and the target.
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TABs right, sort of, I don't know about MORE accurate, although Frank has a good point, but I was listening to some one, (Either MB or Tom Gresham) talking about shooting a J frame with Crimson Trace grips and the point made was that once the sight radius variable was removed there was no differance in accuracy between 2 inch and 6 inch barrels.
Yes, he's right to an extent. There are many variables. Bullet weight, velocity, harmonics (more in rifles) etc.
Example: I had a Ruger Super Blackhawk with a 10 1/2" barrel that I sighted in point of aim, point of impact at 25 yards with 200 grain .44 specials. I switched to 258 grain specials and they wouldn't even hit the 2' x 2' target at the same range.
Barrel length and recoil effected point of impact. The bullet was so slow getting out of the barrel, that muzzle rise threw impact off target.
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See I have to close my right eye, cock my head and use my left eye to shoot anything past about 50 yds. other wise its a blur.
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Dang it! I already have a 22 and a 23. Now I have to (get to) get a 27 too? ;)
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Dang it! I already have a 22 and a 23. Now I have to (get to) get a 27 too? ;)
The Taurus is the same as the 27, had one of each at the same time, only diff was the S&W had a hammer mounted firing pin.
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The furthest that I have ever shot my Glock 26 is 50 yards...... But I could gong the steel silhouette like it was at 15 feet.
My buddy (who is a rather inexperienced shooter) couldn't hit it with his .38 snubbie to save his life.... He thought it was for sure because the barrel was so short..... He handed me the gun, and after missing the first shot, I rang the steel with the next four.
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The furthest that I have ever shot my Glock 26 is 50 yards...... But I could gong the steel silhouette like it was at 15 feet.
My buddy (who is a rather inexperienced shooter) couldn't hit it with his .38 snubbie to save his life.... He thought it was for sure because the barrel was so short..... He handed me the gun, and after missing the first shot, I rang the steel with the next four.
They HATE it when you do that ;D
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One of the funniest gun incidents I saw was my dad's friend shooting an old water tank with a .38 snubby and it didn't even make a dent. He looked at his gun like there was something wrong with it and we all laughed at him. Then my dad drilled a hole clear through it with a .22 magnum rifle. Hitting something with a short barreled gun doesn't always mean you're hitting effectively, but good shooting like this is still cool to watch.
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One of the funniest gun incidents I saw was my dad's friend shooting an old water tank with a .38 snubby and it didn't even make a dent. He looked at his gun like there was something wrong with it and we all laughed at him. Then my dad drilled a hole clear through it with a .22 magnum rifle. Hitting something with a short barreled gun doesn't always mean you're hitting effectively[/u], but good shooting like this is still cool to watch.
I dunno. I know of one shooting where a man got shot at close range by a Glock 27 (.40) an the bullet went through the guys arm...chest area...through the heart area...out the otherside chest area.. and out the other side. He died instantly. I would call that very effective.
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I dunno. I know of one shooting where a man got shot at close range by a Glock 27 (.40) an the bullet went through the guys arm...chest area...through the heart area...out the otherside chest area.. and out the other side. He died instantly. I would call that very effective.
If your aorta is severed you're going to die fast like that. At 80 yards it would have been a lot less power.
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If your aorta is severed you're going to die fast like that. At 80 yards it would have been a lot less power.
Yeah that's true. Course, that guy had such a big exit hole, even if it didn't hit the aorta.. it was still going to be TKO. As for 80 yards.. mmm yes and no. I wouldn't stand out at 80 yards and let someone shoot my hand with a G27.. would you? I would still say it is effective though.
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Bullets coming in your general direction from ANY distance would tend to suck, in my opinion.
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Hell I wish I could hit like that at 8 yards ;D
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Yeah that's true. Course, that guy had such a big exit hole, even if it didn't hit the aorta.. it was still going to be TKO. As for 80 yards.. mmm yes and no. I wouldn't stand out at 80 yards and let someone shoot my hand with a G27.. would you? I would still say it is effective though.
No, I wouldn't want to get shot at any range, but It's less effective at extreme long range. Short barreled pistols have less energy to start with and it drops off faster. You could pop a balloon with one at 200 yards but the majority of shots wouldn't be lethal at that range. If you can hit at typical rifle ranges it still doesn't have the impact of a rifle.
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when are you going to need to shoot someone in self defense at 80 yards with a glock 27??? thats what the gun in the truck is for... but thats just my opinion.. kudo's to anyone who can shoot a sub compact that well though... i'm positive it's going to help someone to practice that distance.
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when are you going to need to shoot someone in self defense at 80 yards with a glock 27??? thats what the gun in the truck is for... but thats just my opinion.. kudo's to anyone who can shoot a sub compact that well though... i'm positive it's going to help someone to practice that distance.
Yes. Theoretically if your trigger control and sight alignment allow you to hit consistently at 80 yds, you should be good to go at closer ranges.
Nothing like a little distance to show the errors of your way. ;)
JMO
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You know I need to try this at the range with some of my guns.. I do know that I can get 5-7 shots out of 13 to hit a big standard shooting circle target at 100 yards. I've tried it a few times bracing the gun on a rest. And that was shooting my G23..Glock .40..with a 4.02in" barrel and wwb ammo. I just wanted to see if I could hit the target.. amazingly I did about half the time with the compact Glock. My buddy tried the same thing with a beretta 9mm and didn't hit once.. but I think I'm a better shot than him anyways.. perhaps I could have got the beretta to have hit too. .dunno.. :)
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The shortened grip on the G27 does inhibit the ability of a shooter to "milk" the grip while firing. Increasing grip pressure as the trigger is pulled will introduce lateral misses. Further the distance, the more the error that is created by even a tiny increase in grip pressure.
Add the G27's dual recoil spring and you have a nice shooting pistol with very good accuracy potential.
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The shortened grip on the G27 does inhibit the ability of a shooter to "milk" the grip while firing. Increasing grip pressure as the trigger is pulled will introduce lateral misses. Further the distance, the more the error that is created by even a tiny increase in grip pressure.
Add the G27's dual recoil spring and you have a nice shooting pistol with very good accuracy potential.
Not if you use a grip extender.. :)
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Not if you use a grip extender.. :)
The grip extender has been a culprit in allowing a shooter to milk the grip. I've improved shooters by removing extenders.
More often, after market extenders are not made to a consistent standard. I have much personal experience in the problems that after market extenders cause. Most often the fit is so tight of the top of the extender against the bottom of the frame that wear increases on the notch for the magazine release, causing damage to the magazine.
If one must, the OEM "plus" magazine floor plate is the way to go for folks that want to increase the length of the pistol grip.
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Not if you use a grip extender.. :)
Or use full size mags.... maybe also with one of these:
(http://www.lonewolfdist.com/images/products/AG-1722.jpg)
(http://www.lonewolfdist.com/images/products/AG-2021.jpg)
17+1 baby! :)
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You know I need to try this at the range with some of my guns.. I do know that I can get 5-7 shots out of 13 to hit a big standard shooting circle target at 100 yards. I've tried it a few times bracing the gun on a rest. And that was shooting my G23..Glock .40..with a 4.02in" barrel and wwb ammo. I just wanted to see if I could hit the target.. amazingly I did about half the time with the compact Glock. My buddy tried the same thing with a beretta 9mm and didn't hit once.. but I think I'm a better shot than him anyways.. perhaps I could have got the beretta to have hit too. .dunno.. :)
I've been putting some thought into this and have come up with an idea. If there are trees or some other objects behind your ranges targets that you can use for reference, you could aim at a ridiculous range target, ( 100 - 500 yards) start low, aiming right at the target, you or an observer watching the fall of your shot and adjusting based on back ground aiming points.
If you keep notes of, firing lane, aim point, ammo, etc you should be able to repeat the shot at a later date on first try.
This is the way artillery works, indirect fire, it's not something that would have any PRACTICAL use, but it could win you some free beers if it works.
Make sure you consider the safety situation of your particular range, we don't want to be putting rounds over the berm. Start low and work up carefully.
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I've been putting some thought into this and have come up with an idea. If there are trees or some other objects behind your ranges targets that you can use for reference, you could aim at a ridiculous range target, ( 100 - 500 yards) start low, aiming right at the target, you or an observer watching the fall of your shot and adjusting based on back ground aiming points.
If you keep notes of, firing lane, aim point, ammo, etc you should be able to repeat the shot at a later date on first try.
This is the way artillery works, indirect fire, it's not something that would have any PRACTICAL use, but it could win you some free beers if it works.
Make sure you consider the safety situation of your particular range, we don't want to be putting rounds over the berm. Start low and work up carefully.
The ballistics say that a .40 155 gr FMJ zeroed at 25yds will have a -3.8 inch trajectory at 75 yds. -8.9 at 100 yds. -16.3 at 125 yds. -26.3 at 150 yds. -38.8 at 175 yds. and -54.3 at 200 yds
500yds = -516.6 inches!
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The ballistics say that a .40 155 gr FMJ zeroed at 25yds will have a -3.8 inch trajectory at 75 yds. -8.9 at 100 yds. -16.3 at 125 yds. -26.3 at 150 yds. -38.8 at 175 yds. and -54.3 at 200 yds
500yds = -516.6 inches!
Like I said, indirect fire ;D I had not done the math on it though. About 8.5 man heights high at 500 yards.
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I've been putting some thought into this and have come up with an idea. If there are trees or some other objects behind your ranges targets that you can use for reference, you could aim at a ridiculous range target, ( 100 - 500 yards) start low, aiming right at the target, you or an observer watching the fall of your shot and adjusting based on back ground aiming points.
If you keep notes of, firing lane, aim point, ammo, etc you should be able to repeat the shot at a later date on first try.
This is the way artillery works, indirect fire, it's not something that would have any PRACTICAL use, but it could win you some free beers if it works.
Make sure you consider the safety situation of your particular range, we don't want to be putting rounds over the berm. Start low and work up carefully.
lol tombogan03884.. It already won me free lunch! ;) .. And for the record I was aiming about what I percieved to a foot high..with my G23 at the time to get the hits at 100yrds. But, it is hard because at that distance the target is hard to see because the sights cover em' up too much. But make no mistake about it.. people say "you can't hit nothing that far", that's not true.. you can.. it's just a lot harder.
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Glad to know I'm not crazy ;D