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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: TAB on December 21, 2008, 04:29:19 PM
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My motto is:
sell gun bad.
In the very near future( say 1st week in jan)
I will be needing to sell some guns for a relative that is going into a nursing home.( some days he is fine, other he can't move and remembers nothing) I'm just wondering if you guys have had any exp with selling on forums or on places like gunbroker.com.
Anyways, a list of things that must be going...( that I know of)
1911 70 series fired maybe 2 mags, maybe.
DW 6" 357 mag fired about a box
22 darringer, no idea on make
a well worn( carried, not sure about shot) 25 auto jr colt.
ithica model 37 ( might be a light wieght)
marlin model 60.
Things I'm really worried about is legistics. Wire transfer, Cashiers checks, postol money orders... etc. I would assume that a postol money order is the safest, but never having done this I'm not sure. I've always bought things FTF and either cash or cashiers check( even if I had to travel to do so) Lots of scum bags out there skrewing people with fake checks and the like.
This is one of those cases where his life savings is saving his life, so he really can't aford to be skrewed.
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Money Order is the way to go.
I have had no problem buying or selling on gunbroker.com.
For more info, look up:
http://www.gunbroker.com/User/SellerTutorial.asp
http://www.gunbroker.com/Support/SupportFAQView.asp?FAQID=1118&NoCount=1
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My motto is:
sell gun bad.
In the very near future( say 1st week in jan)
I will be needing to sell some guns for a relative that is going into a nursing home.( some days he is fine, other he can't move and remembers nothing) I'm just wondering if you guys have had any exp with selling on forums or on places like gunbroker.com.
Anyways, a list of things that must be going...( that I know of)
1911 70 series fired maybe 2 mags, maybe.
DW 6" 357 mag fired about a box
22 darringer, no idea on make
a well worn( carried, not sure about shot) 25 auto jr colt.
ithica model 37 ( might be a light wieght)
marlin model 60.
Things I'm really worried about is legistics. Wire transfer, Cashiers checks, postol money orders... etc. I would assume that a postol money order is the safest, but never having done this I'm not sure. I've always bought things FTF and either cash or cashiers check( even if I had to travel to do so) Lots of scum bags out there skrewing people with fake checks and the like.
This is one of those cases where his life savings is saving his life, so he really can't aford to be skrewed.
I've found www.ar15.com excellent for selling, trading and buying. I've done all selling FTF.
The focus of the site is people who are interested.
You will have to price your sale items, so check value on auction sites like gunbroker.com.....
Equipment Exchange on ar15 is the spot - make sure you read whats involved.
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Tell me more about the 1911
s/n prefix
general condition (use NRA terms)
Price?
BTW, you look fetching in that skin-tight black top. Just be careful with those nails, you might pop the balloons . . . ;D
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I just got back from picking them up.
you have PM.
No room for the long guns in any of my 3 safes grrrrrr I will not become a 4 safe house hold.
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Tab,
I have sold several guns through gunbroker to out of town buyers. All have been good experience.
a) I hold the merchandise, they send money. I don't care what form, they just have to trust me. If it's a personal check, then I deposit it and wait until I'm sure it cleared. I have an A+++ rating as a buyer and seller on the net, so I play on the "trust me" card. I'm in the phone book, everyone knows who I am. No secrets. I get my money.....then you get the gun.
b) Communicate. Communicate. Communicate. I usually end up calling the buyer and we develop a relationship. This ensures they know what they're getting and I know who I'm dealing with. Inunadate your buyer with emails and phone calls, every step of the process. The worse thing as a buyer is not knowing what's going on. What's happening.
c) Be clear about who pays for what. Shipping guns is expensive for us mere citizens. If you can find an FFL to do the shipping then the costs will come down.
d) I try to be brutaly honest about the gun and its condition. Then the buyer will be pleasantly surprised when the gun is better than expected.
e) If you really want to sell a particular gun.....I mean REALLY want to sell it.....then pick the right forum/auction where you'll find the most interested people and list the gun with NO reserve.
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here is what worrys me, is if I send then thru a FFL, and the guy on the other end fails the check. they will have to be shiped back... the prob with that is under CA law they would be consitered imports and if they are not on the aproved list, they can not be transfered to a Non-leo. So basicly they would sit in the FFLs safe for ever. Working at a FFL we had this happen tiwce during my time there. Thats why they stoped shiping hand guns. Hand guns have to go over night = $$$$$ (federal law)
Crap like that is why I'd much rather sell them face to face, but with a remodel starting in Jan, I won't have time til april. As I said his life savings is litterly saving his life.
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Money orders do not bounce ;D
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the prob with that is under CA law
OH! California! Sorry.
BUT. If you have their money. And their FFL has their gun. What's the problem? It's between them. You're not involved. If their FFL has to re-sell their gun so they can recover SOME of their money.....that's their problem.
That's why you communicate, communicate, communicate. Get to know the buyer. Ask point blank, "Are you qualified?" TELL THEM UP FRONT, "You don't qualify. You fail NICs. You're out the money!"
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here is what worrys me, is if I send then thru a FFL, and the guy on the other end fails the check. they will have to be shiped back... the prob with that is under CA law they would be consitered imports and if they are not on the aproved list, they can not be transfered to a Non-leo. So basicly they would sit in the FFLs safe for ever. Working at a FFL we had this happen tiwce during my time there. Thats why they stoped shiping hand guns. Hand guns have to go over night = $$$$$ (federal law)
I have bought a couple guns through the mail and had shipped to FFL. The key is like alf said, COMMUNICATE! The understanding has always been once paid for and shipped the guns were my problem. If I failed the NICS check the guns were still my responsibility in my FFL's care until I had them resold, but they would not go back to the original seller.
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The FFL will really not like you. What it means for them is they have a gun in thier safe, that they must keep track of, but can not ever sell or give away. We also had a private party go badly, Guy was in a nasty devorce and his wife got a restraining order. Which means you have 48 hours to trun over your gun, or sell it. So he sold it to his brother, well his brother got a DMV kick back( unpaid parking ticket IIRC) well so we have a gun we can't release to the buyer, and we can't release it to the seller.( if he had not said why he was selling it we could have) Its really fucked up here in many respects.
Yet oddly enough, we actually have very good self protection laws, and even let you have loaded and ready guns in a temp place of residence( hotel,camp site). Even CCWs are prefectly legal just about every where other then state buildings, some state parks , schools and banks. There is no large gathering restrictions or places that serve booze restrictions( non bars). The only prob is its up to the sheriff on rather or not you get one. In most countys, its really easy... others you can't get one.
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I have bought a couple guns through the mail and had shipped to FFL. The key is like alf said, COMMUNICATE! The understanding has always been once paid for and shipped the guns were my problem. If I failed the NICS check the guns were still my responsibility in my FFL's care until I had them resold, but they would not go back to the original seller.
The FFL could not resale them as you never took posession. Now the seller could release them to the FFL and all we be hunky dory.
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I have bought a couple guns through the mail and had shipped to FFL. The key is like alf said, COMMUNICATE! The understanding has always been once paid for and shipped the guns were my problem. If I failed the NICS check the guns were still my responsibility in my FFL's care until I had them resold, but they would not go back to the original seller.
Yup. You transfer ownership to the buyer and possession to the FFL. Two concepts...ownership...possession. The buyer can own the gun without possession if he fails his NICS. The FFL owner is bound to possess but has no ownership. It's the buyer's dilema to work out....
That hurt my head.
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Yup. You transfer ownership to the buyer and possession to the FFL. Two concepts...ownership...possession. The buyer can own the gun without possession if he fails his NICS. The FFL owner is bound to possess but has no ownership. It's the buyer's dilema to work out....
That hurt my head.
I've never had to sign with my FFL's, but most have a form that purchasers must sign that transfers ownership to the FFL in a case like this. It is a done to 1. allow them to have a gun in their possession beyond the normal transfer time frames, and 2. to allow them to resell it for you (something they can not do unless they have a pawn shop FFL). It is done to protect them.
Besides, this is not an issue for the seller, because you put it in record with your FFL, he transferred it to the buyer's FFL, so it becomes a customer/FFL issue on the other end. Your not the bad guy, your FFL isn't the bad guy, it is the buyer that is the bad guy to work things out with his FFL.
This is what you learn when you sit in the bar with your FFL, and he explains the reason he charges $25 for these transactions.