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David Spade helps Phoenix police buy rifles
Monday, December 22, 2008 5:48 PM EST
The Associated Press
LOS ANGELES (AP) — The Phoenix Police Department has gotten some high-powered goodies courtesy of actor David Spade.
The one-time Phoenix resident donated $100,000 so that the department can buy approximately 50 AR-15 rifles.
Spade said he wanted to make the donation after seeing a TV news report about Phoenix officers having to buy their own rifles. Spade grew up in the Phoenix area and graduated from Arizona State University.
Phoenix Police Sgt. Alan Hill says the rifles will be given to patrol officers and that the agency was grateful for the gifts.
"These guys need to be able to do their jobs and I am just happy I could help," Spade said in a statement released by his publicist.
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I take back everything I ever said about him. ;)
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Well it's good to know that there is atleast one semi-sane person in Hollywood. ;D
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Well, I guess the weaselly-lookin' little dude did OK.
Go figure.
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Yer all looking only at a result, not the reason. What if he is a gun grabber that thinks ONLY cops and military should have guns? Just cause we like this action does not mean he is a friend.
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Yer all looking only at a result, not the reason. What if he is a gun grabber that thinks ONLY cops and military should have guns? Just cause we like this action does not mean he is a friend.
That's a distinct possibility. I posted this story cause I thought at least a celeb was helping the cops, not obstructing them. I don't know if the Phoenix PD respects private gun owners or thinks they're part of the problem. Not all cops are pro-2A, with the exception of the guns they need for their work. Look at the New Orleans PD during Katrina. Also, if the cops needed the rifles so bad they made their officers pay for them, why didn't go to the city council to expand their operating budget or find some other form of revenue generation to pay for the weapons. Maybe the citizens don't want the police to have the rifles for whatever reason.
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Either way he helped the good guys fight the bad guys on equal terms or better in a time of need. It's not the first time he's helped out that PD.
http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=3354541&referralPlaylistId=b895e6943a20a5ba0d5beadb011b18b7ea0a1398
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well done David
however it is a real shame that a Cleb feels the need that he NEEDS to throw cash in to the police department for them to get what is required caus they are not able to with out that help
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Not only did he give the $100,000 for rifles, October 9, 2007 he gave $25,000 to a fallen Phoenix officers family to create a trust fund for his child's education.
Merry Christmas David Spade - you done good.
Thank you form someone that may never meet you , or may never go to Phoenix.
But thank you none the less.
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well done David
however it is a real shame that a Cleb feels the need that he NEEDS to throw cash in to the police department for them to get what is required caus they are not able to with out that help
I have to disagree, whatever David Spades political leanings may be, (I have no idea ) these actions are in line with the conduct of our forefathers. If your town needed a school teacher then every one pitched in some money to hire one, if you needed a bridge the folks of the town made appropriate donations of material, money, or labor.
In that tradition Mr. Spade saw a need in his community and instead of waiting for "the Govt" to do something he stepped up and contributed a resource he had available.
Whether he agrees with us on the gun rights issue or not we would be better off if more people acted in this manner. If you see a need in your community, and you have the appropriate resources, don't stand around saying, "Gee, someone should take care of that." Act.
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I have to disagree, whatever David Spades political leanings may be, (I have no idea ) these actions are in line with the conduct of our forefathers. If your town needed a school teacher then every one pitched in some money to hire one, if you needed a bridge the folks of the town made appropriate donations of material, money, or labor.
In that tradition Mr. Spade saw a need in his community and instead of waiting for "the Govt" to do something he stepped up and contributed a resource he had available.
Whether he agrees with us on the gun rights issue or not we would be better off if more people acted in this manner. If you see a need in your community, and you have the appropriate resources, don't stand around saying, "Gee, someone should take care of that." Act.
Don't get me wrong, I think it grate that the bloke has pulled his finger out and done something about it instead of being all talk and having a cry like the rest of them
all i was saying is it is a shame that the "officials" let it get to a point like that where someone out side of the Department / Gubbermint had to stand up and do that
Thumbs up to him
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I have to disagree, whatever David Spades political leanings may be, (I have no idea ) these actions are in line with the conduct of our forefathers. If your town needed a school teacher then every one pitched in some money to hire one, if you needed a bridge the folks of the town made appropriate donations of material, money, or labor.
In that tradition Mr. Spade saw a need in his community and instead of waiting for "the Govt" to do something he stepped up and contributed a resource he had available.
Whether he agrees with us on the gun rights issue or not we would be better off if more people acted in this manner. If you see a need in your community, and you have the appropriate resources, don't stand around saying, "Gee, someone should take care of that." Act.
Also very well said Tom! Just because someone doesn't agree with me on everything, doesn't mean that he or she is a bad person. Hell, I don't even agree with me all the time! ;) Why should anyone else be in 100% agreement with anyone else? Good can come from many different people in many different ways. We just need to be positive, polite and strong in our beliefs.
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That's a distinct possibility. I posted this story cause I thought at least a celeb was helping the cops, not obstructing them. I don't know if the Phoenix PD respects private gun owners or thinks they're part of the problem. Not all cops are pro-2A, with the exception of the guns they need for their work. Look at the New Orleans PD during Katrina. Also, if the cops needed the rifles so bad they made their officers pay for them, why didn't go to the city council to expand their operating budget or find some other form of revenue generation to pay for the weapons. Maybe the citizens don't want the police to have the rifles for whatever reason.
THe problem is that city council representatives are politicians, and may either not like the PD or honestly not have the funds available to give the cops (or any other city department) everything they request.
Here in my little town a couple of years ago the city council turned down the PD's request for funds for the purchase of Tasers. As a result the cops went to the local business community and raised, through donations, the $7000-$8000 needed to outfit every officer with these less-lethal devices. I applaud the business people who contributed (as I do David Spade) for their community spirit. It's called "giving back" to the community.
In case you attended the public meeting here where they introduced them to the public, I was the sick bastard with tears of laughter streaming down his face everytime somebody got tazed in the video presentation!! ;D
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THe problem is that city council representatives are politicians, and may either not like the PD or honestly not have the funds available to give the cops (or any other city department) everything they request.
Here in my little town a couple of years ago the city council turned down the PD's request for funds for the purchase of Tasers. As a result the cops went to the local business community and raised, through donations, the $7000-$8000 needed to outfit every officer with these less-lethal devices. I applaud the business people who contributed (as I do David Spade) for their community spirit. It's called "giving back" to the community.
Ahh I was not sure how it worked over there and I did not know that the City Council runs and funds the PD's
over here it is the State Government that does that
In case you attended the public meeting here where they introduced them to the public, I was the sick bastard with tears of laughter streaming down his face everytime somebody got tazed in the video presentation!! ;D
hehehe will done
DON'T Taze Me Bro ROTFLMAO
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THe problem is that city council representatives are politicians, and may either not like the PD or honestly not have the funds available to give the cops (or any other city department) everything they request.
Here in my little town a couple of years ago the city council turned down the PD's request for funds for the purchase of Tasers. As a result the cops went to the local business community and raised, through donations, the $7000-$8000 needed to outfit every officer with these less-lethal devices. I applaud the business people who contributed (as I do David Spade) for their community spirit. It's called "giving back" to the community.
In case you attended the public meeting here where they introduced them to the public, I was the sick bastard with tears of laughter streaming down his face everytime somebody got tazed in the video presentation!! ;D
Exactly. Here the local PD did the same thing to raise money to add a K-9 officer and training here. Yes I did help out, and so did a LOT of the business' in town.
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Beat cops do not need ARs.
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Beat cops do not need ARs.
Until they come up against people armed with something bigger than a pistol. Remember the Hollywood bank shootout?
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yeah... a complete lack of training had nothing to do with that...
Buck shot could have stoped them cold, if they were trained to use it correctly against people with body armor. ( they did not have slugs at that time)
All that did was show the lack of training the LEOs in the greater LA area. Its also the the reason LEAs use for need ARs... complete crap.
Two good things did come out of that shoot out.
1 they got rid of the 9 mm
2 they got slugs for thier shot guns.
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Beat cops do not need ARs.
Unless you are the beat cop. I'm taking on work as armored car security. Technically, I don't need a vest. But I do need a CDL. I'm getting the vest first. Oh, and since I technically don't need a sidearm or the shotty should I rely on the criminals/terrorists being altruistic and not killing me or my partner? Despite what the left says, we are at war. Here. Now.
Cops need the proper equipment, and an AR is a lot more pinpoint than a shotgun.
This is not the 1950s anymore.
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do you want the average beat cop taking a shot where you, your wife or your children are in the line of fire?
I know I don't want the average beat cop taking that shot. There was a recent police shooting here, 3 sheriffs fired 38 rounds at distances of 3-7 yards. The supect was hit twice, his left ankle and hits right hand.
but hey its yours and your familys life... let them make that shot.
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do you want the average beat cop taking a shot where you, your wife or your children are in the line of fire?
I know I don't want the average beat cop taking that shot. There was a recent police shooting here, 3 sheriffs fired 38 rounds at distances of 3-7 yards. The supect was hit twice, his left ankle and hits right hand.
but hey its yours and your familys life... let them make that shot.
An AR-15 has a longer sight radius than a pistol and is more accurate. I'd rather have them take one shot and hit than fire 38 shots and miss 36 times.
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I figured some one was going to mention that... so I left one detail out...
one of the officers had a AR 15. he fired 17 times, all of them misses. Both hits came from one of the deputys. he fire 14 rounds.
So yeah... ARs help... ::)
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I can hit a man 9 times out of 10 anywhere from muzzle contact up to 300 meters and I'm not a very good shot. I don't know how it's even possible to fire 17 shots at 3 - 7 yards and miss every time unless he thought it threw patterns like a shotgun. As with any other weapon, training is everything.
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I guess we should do like England and just take away the guns from cops all together -- and while we are at it, everyone else in the country. ::)
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I can hit a man 9 times out of 10 anywhere up to 300 meters and I'm not a very good shot. I don't know how it's even possible to fire 17 shots and miss every time unless he thought it threw patterns like a ashotgun. As with any other weapon, training is everything.
In combat situations like that, the adrenaline makes you go damn near stupid..... the hit percentage in almost all police shootings is very very very very low.
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I can hit a man 9 times out of 10 anywhere from muzzle contact up to 300 meters and I'm not a very good shot. I don't know how it's even possible to fire 17 shots at 3 - 7 yards and miss every time unless he thought it threw patterns like a shotgun. As with any other weapon, training is everything.
a shot gun will have a extremly tight pattern at those ranges. I agree its all in the training, they can't use the weapons they have now, why should we give them more weapons?
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I can hit a man 9 times out of 10 anywhere from muzzle contact up to 300 meters and I'm not a very good shot. I don't know how it's even possible to fire 17 shots at 3 - 7 yards and miss every time unless he thought it threw patterns like a shotgun. As with any other weapon, training is everything.
Speaking as a former LEO who has been involved in a firefight I can tell you that it's a helluva lot harder hitting a target that's shooting back. Your arm tends to turn to jello when you're trying to keep from tucking your head between your legs to kiss your ass goodbye.
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One other thing. TAB, I mean this in the nicest possible way, but I couldn't give a rat's ass WHAT you think.
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One other thing. TAB, I mean this in the nicest possible way, but I couldn't give a rat's ass WHAT you think.
which is exactly whats wrong with LEOs today. They don't care what the public thinks anymore.
its not protect and serve... its we are better then you.
This can be extend to most of the goverment officals as well. They forget who signs thier check.
it won't be long now until a day comes when that pay check bounces and then, if we are lucky the crimals in office will realize that you can't spend money you don't have.
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which is exactly whats wrong with LEOs today. They don't care what the public thinks anymore.
its not protect and serve... its we are better then you.
This can be extend to most of the goverment officals as well. They forget who signs thier check.
it won't be long now until a day comes when that pay check bounces and then, if we are lucky the crimals in office will realize that you can't spend money you don't have.
Our Fed Gov't is doing that at record pace right now.
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which is exactly whats wrong with LEOs today. They don't care what the public thinks anymore.
its not protect and serve... its we are better then you.
This can be extend to most of the goverment officals as well. They forget who signs thier check.
it won't be long now until a day comes when that pay check bounces and then, if we are lucky the crimals in office will realize that you can't spend money you don't have.
My point is simply that unless and until you've "been there" you're little more than a Monday Morning Quarterback. Opinions are, as my dad used to say, like a-holes......everybody has one.
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My point is simply that unless and until you've "been there" you're little more than a Monday Morning Quarterback. Opinions are, as my dad used to say, like a-holes......everybody has one.
Thats exactly what every one says... If you have not been there you don't know. Does not matter what it is... LEOs, Army, iron workers, maids.... you name it. Well guess what, Since I sign your check, I do have a a say. That was THE founding principle of this country.
In my case I have been there...I have done that.
While we are giving them ARs... why not mount a m2 in a turret on the crown vics... after all they might need it...
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Thats exactly what every one says... If you have not been there you don't know. Does not matter what it is... LEOs, Army, iron workers, maids.... you name it. Well guess what, Since I sign your check, I do have a a say. That was THE founding principle of this country.
In my case I have been there...I have done that.
While we are giving them ARs... why not mount a m2 in a turret on the crown vics... after all they might need it...
Sure, if that's what the BGs have on their cars.
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The bad guys don't have ARs.
Some SKS and a few AKs, yes, but not many. Most bad guys have hand guns, normally very small ones at that.
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Thats exactly what every one says... If you have not been there you don't know. Does not matter what it is... LEOs, Army, iron workers, maids.... you name it. Well guess what, Since I sign your check, I do have a a say. That was THE founding principle of this country.
In my case I have been there...I have done that.
While we are giving them ARs... why not mount a m2 in a turret on the crown vics... after all they might need it...
If you weren't a small minded cheap skate you'd go with this
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/jul/28/advertising1?gusrc=rss&feed=media
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My point is simply that unless and until you've "been there" you're little more than a Monday Morning Quarterback. Opinions are, as my dad used to say, like a-holes......everybody has one.
Exactly.
Thats exactly what every one says... If you have not been there you don't know. Does not matter what it is... LEOs, Army, iron workers, maids.... you name it. Well guess what, Since I sign your check, I do have a a say. That was THE founding principle of this country.
In my case I have been there...I have done that.
While we are giving them ARs... why not mount a m2 in a turret on the crown vics... after all they might need it...
You are correct also, but until you are in a SHTF situation, you don't really know what the check covers.
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The bad guys don't have ARs.
Some SKS and a few AKs, yes, but not many. Most bad guys have hand guns, normally very small ones at that.
But some do, Thats like saying cops aren't shot at that much so they don't need body armor.
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As much as I hate to say it, these days I'm starting to support manditory training. Not just for LEOs and Military, but for civilans too. IMO if they buy the ar's they should have maybe 15-20hrs of initial training then 5hrs a week for the following weeks. As for civilians I would like it if there was a maniditory course that was taken before they could perchase a handgun or get a ccw permit. Now don't get me wrong I really don't want to put in place a bunch of stupid laws that will hinders people's ability to obtain legal firearms, but I don't want to be able to trust the people around me with a firearm especially if those people are there to protect me and mine. I would not support the idea if I didn't think that it was necissary since I was taught how to shoot safely and effectively when I was about 4-5 years old, but the matter of the fact is that there are quite a few people that want to carry a gun just because they can. They don't know how to properly use the gun and they don't make the effort to learn on their own. Like I said that's just MO, and beings that I'm one of the youngest members I know that I don't know as much on this subject as most.
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As much as I hate to say it, these days I'm starting to support manditory training. Not just for LEOs and Military, but for civilans too. IMO if they buy the ar's they should have maybe 15-20hrs of initial training then 5hrs a week for the following weeks. As for civilians I would like it if there was a maniditory course that was taken before they could perchase a handgun or get a ccw permit. Now don't get me wrong I really don't want to put in place a bunch of stupid laws that will hinders people's ability to obtain legal firearms, but I don't want to be able to trust the people around me with a firearm especially if those people are there to protect me and mine. I would not support the idea if I didn't think that it was necissary since I was taught how to shoot safely and effectively when I was about 4-5 years old, but the matter of the fact is that there are quite a few people that want to carry a gun just because they can. They don't know how to properly use the gun and they don't make the effort to learn on their own. Like I said that's just MO, and beings that I'm one of the youngest members I know that I don't know as much on this subject as most.
The biggest problem with 'mandatory' training beyond what is given to LEO's goes right back to the heart of this thread, MONEY.
Many agencies can't afford the weaponry, let alone extra, much needed training. I was at the range a few weeks back and some state officers were going trough some practice runs for their up-coming qualifications. My friend (range owner) is a state officer and firearms instructor and he was running the drills. They were having to use their own privately bought ammo so round count was critical for them. Some had no worries, but a couple were borderline and could have used a few hundred more rounds to boost their confidence for the qualification shoot.
Many LEO's are not 'gun folks' and only use them for 'the job'. Many have no interest in training beyond what they get on the job. My B-I-L is one of these types. He only shoots at the pre-qualification warm-up and to qualify. This is one area where mandatory training would be beneficial but cost prohibitive for most departments.
Private citizens are a whole different tater patch. It is very true that many who carry do so only because they can. However, requiring mandatory training as a condition of ownership or even to CCW would serve to open up a whole new can of bureaucratic red tape that we don't need.
Do LEO's need more training? Yes.
Do many citizens need more training? Yes.
Is making it mandatory the way to go? I say no (JMHO)..but I've been wrong before. ;)
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a big part of the prob when it comes to money, miss mangement of the funds.
In these parts that means too high of pay. The local news paper just published an artical about Who was the highest paid Sac City empolyees... out of the top 15, 13 were firemen and PD. All in the top 10, brought in over 100k a year in OT. OT, O f....k T!!!.
There normal salerys were in the 80k range, which is way high compared( the Cheifs did not make the list, these were beat cops) to the average house hold income of the county at just under 50k( CA state is in the low 40s)
If you were to cut thier pay down to levels simlar to other LEAs in the area( about 60k) then they would have plenty of funds to hire more PD or train them better.
edit, and yes for 200k a year I would be a cop... infact where do I sign up? Its a safer occupation then I have now.
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The biggest problem with 'mandatory' training beyond what is given to LEO's goes right back to the heart of this thread, MONEY.
Many agencies can't afford the weaponry, let alone extra, much needed training. I was at the range a few weeks back and some state officers were going trough some practice runs for their up-coming qualifications. My friend (range owner) is a state officer and firearms instructor and he was running the drills. They were having to use their own privately bought ammo so round count was critical for them. Some had no worries, but a couple were borderline and could have used a few hundred more rounds to boost their confidence for the qualification shoot.
Many LEO's are not 'gun folks' and only use them for 'the job'. Many have no interest in training beyond what they get on the job. My B-I-L is one of these types. He only shoots at the pre-qualification warm-up and to qualify. This is one area where mandatory training would be beneficial but cost prohibitive for most departments.
Private citizens are a whole different tater patch. It is very true that many who carry do so only because they can. However, requiring mandatory training as a condition of ownership or even to CCW would serve to open up a whole new can of bureaucratic red tape that we don't need.
Do LEO's need more training? Yes.
Do many citizens need more training? Yes.
Is making it mandatory the way to go? I say no (JMHO)..but I've been wrong before. ;)
I know what you mean I have a friend that is a LEO and I've helped him haul 10,000 rounds of frangible 5.56x45 and .40 s&w that him and two of his co-worker bought to attend a two-day training session.
I also have another friend that is a recruit for one of the local divisions and we were talking about guns and he told me about what he carries on duty. "I have a Glock 27, it's like the biggest one they make in .40." I tried to reason with him, but he was sure that that's what it was so I left it at that.
As far as the thing goes, it's true in so many aspects that it's just scary. If you look at most high ranking executives, especially the ones that work for the companies and banks that are asking for bailout money, they recieve a salary that could pay wages for 2000 or more average workers, and there is nothing that can be done about it. It just seems that it doesn't matter how hard you work to get where you are, but how much leverage you can hold on the person that writes the check.