Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: 1776 Rebel on December 26, 2008, 10:55:10 AM
Title: The Future is Now
Post by: 1776 Rebel on December 26, 2008, 10:55:10 AM
Sometimes, not very far away, you can see a bit of the future coming....(lord I hope not during my time) ! But the reality is that in some of our US cities of the SW this may only be a short time away.
Private Assassins Target Gangs In Guatemala by John Burnett
All Things Considered, December 22, 2008 ·
Earlier this fall, the head of the Organization of American States warned that violent crime is an epidemic in Latin America, fueled by street gangs, drug trafficking and poverty. There, gun homicides are four times the world average.
In Guatemala, people have had enough of corrupt police and brutal extortions by gangs. They've turned to vigilantism. Lynch mobs and death squads are now commonplace. Twenty-five years ago, public enemy No. 1 was the leftist guerrillas who were at war with the government of Guatemala. They were branded subversives, delinquents, anti-social elements, and they were disappeared by death squads in the dark of night.
Today, the enemies of society are the maras, the street gangs whose members are estimated to number 80,000. And the violent campaign to eradicate them is called limpieza social, or social cleansing.
Title: Re: The Future is Now
Post by: GASPASSERDELUXE on December 26, 2008, 11:56:06 AM
AT FIRST I THOUGH "SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD PLAN" THEN AFTER READING THE COMPLETE ARTICLE MY THOUGH WAS "WHO WILL WATCH THE WATCHERS"
Title: Re: The Future is Now
Post by: PegLeg45 on December 26, 2008, 02:19:36 PM
Very thought provoking article. Chilling to think that it could one day become that bad here in this country. I know there have always been 'hired killings' here, but not to that scale. Do you agree with the philosophy of vigilantism to control rampant crime that is either ignored or perpetrated by the law? Could it or will it ever get that bad here? And, how far would you go (to protect your family) if it was happening in your hometown, and or you were directly involved?
Title: Re: The Future is Now
Post by: Pathfinder on December 26, 2008, 07:58:02 PM
Very thought provoking article. Chilling to think that it could one day become that bad here in this country. I know there have always been 'hired killings' here, but not to that scale. Do you agree with the philosophy of vigilantism to control rampant crime that is either ignored or perpetrated by the law?
If life devolved to the form they live there, absolutely.
And, how far would you go (to protect your family) if it was happening in your hometown, and or you were directly involved?
Far enough.
People confuse being a Christian with being some form of Rodney King - can't we all just get along let's-join-hands-and-sing-kumbaya weak willed individual. Christ was a tough guy, took a whip to people in the Temple in Jerusalem, called people hypocrites to their faces. For us to walk in His footsteps, we have to be willing to stand up to evil, face it squarely and destroy it when it rises.
So, if the gummint is violent and/or corrupt, and unable/unwilling to stop the criminals or gangs, then we have every right - legally and morally - to protect ourselves by whatever means.
Just ike the folks in the town in Missouri (?) did when they whacked the local bad guy who was allowed to run rampant and the law was unable or refused to intervene. You have to protect yourself and your families - it was done long before there was anything even remotely looking like a gummint.
Title: Re: The Future is Now
Post by: tombogan03884 on December 26, 2008, 08:03:26 PM
We ARE the government, if the politicians are corrupt it is because we allow it. If our neighborhoods are over run with crime, it is because we allow it. I'm Not advocating individual initiatives, but if the COMMUNITY wants their streets back it is the communities responsibility to take action and a candlelight vigil ain't gonna cut it.
Title: Re: The Future is Now
Post by: runstowin on December 26, 2008, 11:34:31 PM
We do have a gang problem right now, just not nearly as bad.
MS-13' is one of nation's most dangerous gangs In-depth look its members, enemies and its threat to our national security
FREE VIDEO MS-13 gang Officials believe MS-13 is one of the most dangerous gangs in the United States. MSNBC-TV's Rita Cosby takes an in-depth look at the members, their enemies, and why the battle against MS-13 is so critical to our national security.
Rita Cosby Anchor • Profile
Some of the most notorious and dangerous criminals in the United States are part of one gang. It's not the Bloods, it's not the Crips, but a gang called MS-13. 'Live and Direct' takes MSNBC into the streets to investgate how the gang is terrorizing neighborhoods and treating their friends and enemies with brutal,bloody force.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11240718/
Title: Re: The Future is Now
Post by: Big Frank on December 26, 2008, 11:57:04 PM
Nearly half of all gang members in the US are Hispanics. The next biggest group is blacks. If the Hispanics were deported that would take care of half of the gang problem.
Title: Re: The Future is Now
Post by: warhawke on December 27, 2008, 04:01:26 AM
Nearly half of all gang members in the US are Hispanics. The next biggest group is blacks.
That's cause most of the white punks could f@#k-up a rock fight.
Title: Re: The Future is Now
Post by: 1776 Rebel on December 27, 2008, 07:23:43 AM
Just across the border an all out war is being fought. FOUR THOUSAND DEAD JUST THIS YEAR ! But the MSM hardly covers it. Here is one story from the summer ...
Title: Re: The Future is Now
Post by: Solus on December 27, 2008, 07:34:13 AM
The problem with "hired guns" is that they are not necessarily motivated by the same value as their employers.
This applies to both the unofficial and official hired guns.
In the article, it is the corruption of the official hired guns that leads to the use of the unofficial hired guns.
As Tom said, the duty and responsibility lays with us to first police the official hired guns and if that is not possible through official channels, then by force, preferably without the assistance of unofficial hired guns.
Now, if all hired guns had the values of Richard Boone's character, Paladin, we would not have any problems.
Title: Re: The Future is Now
Post by: CurrieS103 on December 27, 2008, 07:59:57 AM
The problem with "hired guns" is that they are not necessarily motivated by the same value as their employers.
This applies to both the unofficial and official hired guns.
In the article, it is the corruption of the official hired guns that leads to the use of the unofficial hired guns.
As Tom said, the duty and responsibility lays with us to first police the official hired guns and if that is not possible through official channels, then by force, preferably without the assistance of unofficial hired guns.
Now, if all hired guns had the values of Richard Boone's character, Paladin, we would not have any problems.
I doubt hired guns like Blackwater ever will have the motivation of Paladin.
Title: Re: The Future is Now
Post by: 1776 Rebel on December 27, 2008, 10:50:22 AM
Now you done did it ! ;D You had to bring up Paladin !! ;D ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7hcoyE-Bow
THE guy who was an armorer on the early westerns was Thell Reed. As a fastdraw guy he taught a lot of the Hollywood crowd. I found one single video of him on YouTube . Sorry it is from France. Done for the Russell Crowe movie the other year, 3:10 to Yuma. But if you fast forward to around 3:00 minutes you will pick up the interview with Thell Reed. Pretty cool ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2-ZblSIClo
(pssst....Marshal how about a Cowboys profile of Thell?)
Title: Re: The Future is Now
Post by: runstowin on December 27, 2008, 11:08:20 AM
Just across the border an all out war is being fought. FOUR THOUSAND DEAD JUST THIS YEAR ! But the MSM hardly covers it. Here is one story from the summer ...
Good article, thank goodness our government is imprisoning border guards Ramos and Compean for for the mortal sin of apprehending a Mexican drug smuggler.
Title: Re: The Future is Now
Post by: Big Frank on December 27, 2008, 08:36:05 PM
We do have a gang problem right now, just not nearly as bad.
MS-13' is one of nation's most dangerous gangs In-depth look its members, enemies and its threat to our national security
Some of the most notorious and dangerous criminals in the United States are part of one gang. It's not the Bloods, it's not the Crips, but a gang called MS-13. 'Live and Direct' takes MSNBC into the streets to investgate how the gang is terrorizing neighborhoods and treating their friends and enemies with brutal,bloody force.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11240718/
You know? I don't see the problem.
Find 'em.. kill 'em... and that will be the beginning of the end to the skanky rat and vermin infestation. Better yet.. give me the gun.. I can shoot pretty straight when it comes to between the eyes.
The End ..by Marshal'ette Halloway.
Title: Re: The Future is Now
Post by: Dharmaeye on December 28, 2008, 03:25:11 PM
Loved the Paladin series. Thanks for the great video links
Title: Re: The Future is Now
Post by: Big Frank on December 28, 2008, 04:58:15 PM
Find 'em.. kill 'em... and that will be the beginning of the end to the skanky rat and vermin infestation. Better yet.. give me the gun.. I can shoot pretty straight when it comes to between the eyes.
The End ..by Marshal'ette Halloway.
Are you sure it's the eyes that you would shoot between? :o
Title: Re: The Future is Now
Post by: 1776 Rebel on December 28, 2008, 06:00:03 PM
Not trying to hijack my own thread but I just came across Thell Reed's website (Hey everyone has a website these days !). Catch this cool picture from the early days. Can you recognize and name the 5 giants in this picture?
Find 'em.. kill 'em... and that will be the beginning of the end to the skanky rat and vermin infestation. Better yet.. give me the gun.. I can shoot pretty straight when it comes to between the eyes.
The End ..by Marshal'ette Halloway.
Tell that to Ramos and Conpaen.
Title: Re: The Future is Now
Post by: m25operator on December 28, 2008, 07:47:16 PM
Not trying to hijack my own thread but I just came across Thell Reed's website (Hey everyone has a website these days !). Catch this cool picture from the early days. Can you recognize and name the 5 giants in this picture?
Ray Chapman, Jack Weaver, Thell Reed, Jeff Cooper and Eldon Carle.
Off subject, but we know Bill Jordan could react, draw and hit in .27 seconds at 7 yards, supposedly Thell did it in .13 with a Single action Army Colt.
By the way I still have that rig that Ray Chapman is wearing, save up my hard earned dollars at the time, thought I was tacticool, took it to my 1st Ipsc match, Pre-USPSA, and was politely told, " nice rig, you know you can't wear that in competition? " so much for getting all your info from gun magazines >:( Still have it, anybody want one? just the belt, I still love the chapman high ride holster. The one in the picture is a low ride.
Title: Re: The Future is Now
Post by: tombogan03884 on December 28, 2008, 07:49:50 PM
REALLY COOL LINK ! Thanks for sharing ;D
Title: Re: The Future is Now
Post by: Pathfinder on December 28, 2008, 07:53:42 PM
Ray Chapman, Jack Weaver, Thell Reed, Jeff Cooper and Eldon Carle.
According to Thell's website, you have Weaver and Carl reversed.
Me, I had no clue as to any of them. :(
But then, I am a late-comer to shooting as an adult.
Title: Re: The Future is Now
Post by: m25operator on December 28, 2008, 08:11:54 PM
Ahh! the wheelgun was a dead giveaway. I really liked the angle of the picture and cleanliness of their pistols and revolvers as you could see all the way to the breach face.
Title: Re: The Future is Now
Post by: 1776 Rebel on December 28, 2008, 08:14:57 PM
I am sitting here laughing out loud....Just to be on the muzzle side of these five guys scares the bejeezes out of me !!!
Title: Re: The Future is Now
Post by: shooter32 on December 29, 2008, 09:51:20 AM
Find 'em.. kill 'em... and that will be the beginning of the end to the skanky rat and vermin infestation. Better yet.. give me the gun.. I can shoot pretty straight when it comes to between the eyes.
The End ..by Marshal'ette Halloway.
In jail yards all over the country. Inmates are in their "gang clicks" and have to be watched so they don't kill eachother ??? I say, LET THEM HAVE AT IT!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Future is Now
Post by: Big Frank on December 29, 2008, 10:21:40 PM
Coming soon: death match prison cage fights on cable TV for our entertainment. The fewer left alive the less we have to spend taking care of them. Make them pay-per-view events and the profit can be used to update law-enforcement training and tools.