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Member Section => Tactical Rifle & Carbine => Topic started by: pioneer on December 30, 2008, 12:53:52 PM
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My son presented me with a Bushmaster 5.56 lower on Christmas morning, leaving it up to me to build the rest. I'm not sure if I want to thank him, or spank him. This gift is going to cost me about $800.00. My former partner / gunsmith will build it for me and said that's what the parts I want will cost. He won't charge me labor, but that's a long story.
Since I want an A3 flat-top configuration I'm interested in putting some kind of red dot optics on it that won't cost me an arm and a leg. My question is; What experience does anyone have with the lower cost red dots? I'm looking for positive as well as negative comments.
This rifle will not be used for 1000 yard tack-driving competition, just your basic SHTF defense and utility rifle.
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Glad you posted this. I was going to ask basically the same question.
I'm thinking of putting a low-buck scope on a truck gun (mini-14 carried around under the rear seat). I don't need a high dollar rig. I'll save those for my hunting rifles.
I saw these the other day and wondered of they are junk.
http://www.centerpointoptics.com/quick_aim_sights/1x34/
Thanks,
PegLeg
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http://www.centerpointoptics.com/quick_aim_sights/1x34/
If I am not mistaken, they are made by Tasco.... what I have read about center point online is that they are junk.... I have found that Simmons makes some of the best budget scopes you will find -- although I have no experience with their red dots. BSA is not so bad either.....
Here are a couple of simmons red dots for under $30
(http://natchezss.com/images/products/SN800879_small.jpg)
http://natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=SN800879&prodTitle=Simmons%2030MM%20Red%20Dot%20Black%20Matte%20Tube%20Unirail
(http://natchezss.com/images/products/SN800880.jpg)
http://natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=SN800880&prodTitle=Simmons%2042MM%20Red%20Dot%20Black%20Matte%20Tube%20Unirail
Simmons for $65
(http://natchezss.com/images/products/SN851234_small.jpg)
http://natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=SN851234&prodTitle=Simmons%20RED%20DOT%2030MM%20Multi%20Reticle%20Sight%20with%20Rings
Then there is also Barska $94
(http://natchezss.com/images/products/BKAC10984_small.jpg)
http://natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=BKAC10984&prodTitle=Barska%201X30%20ELECTRO%20M16%20Black%20Matte%20Illuminated%20Tactical%20Red%20Dot%20Sight
TruGlo also for $70
(http://natchezss.com/images/products/XRTG8030B2.jpg)
http://natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=XRTG8030B2&prodTitle=RED%20DOT%2030MM%202X%20BLACK
http://natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=BKAC10984&prodTitle=Barska%201X30%20ELECTRO%20M16%20Black%20Matte%20Illuminated%20Tactical%20Red%20Dot%20Sight
Or you could put just about any laser on it if you have rails.
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If you go out to Midwayusa.com and do a search on red dot you will find a number of red dot sights for el cheapo. One BSA scope is this one...
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=294221
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Based on my nephews comments, one career Army Ranger with service in 1st Gulf war, Iraq and Afghansitan, the other Marine Recon, Army LERP, Iraq and Afghansitan. They both have used various red dot sights in combat and they go for the Aimpoint, not cheap but when TSHTF, why would you trust your life to a cheap sight. That is what eventually I'll put on my evil black gun.
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I'd just get a good red dot off the bat as opposed to buying several cheapo ones, especially if this rifle is going to have a defensive role. Aimpoints and Eotechs are good and each have their proponents. You may also want to check out the Leupold Prismatic.
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Any reason why you don't look at an Aimpoint? I know the COMP4 are pricey but there are other models available in lower price ranges. Also you might find a good used one. I sold a Model 2000 for $60 this past year.
Also, I have the Millet red-dot tube on my Crosman pellet pistol and it seems like a reasonable low end scope.
One thing to be aware, though, even though you can mount things real low, depending on your stock it may be too low for your eye to line up on. So, I'd probably steer away from scopes with built in rings, because you can't vary the height if need be.
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Here are a couple of solutions to the scope height issue...
http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=326
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Somebody has to say so it may as well be me: Why not put a low-power scope on it instead? No batteries to go dead when TSHTF. To me it seems like flat tops should have scopes and the other uppers shouldn't. Old fashioned thinking I guess.
If you get a variable power with 1 or 1.5x at the low end it lines up fast and at 4 or 6x you can take long shots too. Or you can get a fixed 2.5x for as low as $24. Just an idea. Of course you could spend over $400 on a 3x magnifier to go with a $$$ Aimpoint too. My budget won't allow that but maybe yours will.
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Any reason why you don't look at an Aimpoint? I know the COMP4 are pricey but there are other models available in lower price ranges. Also you might find a good used one. I sold a Model 2000 for $60 this past year.
Also, I have the Millet red-dot tube on my Crosman pellet pistol and it seems like a reasonable low end scope.
One thing to be aware, though, even though you can mount things real low, depending on your stock it may be too low for your eye to line up on. So, I'd probably steer away from scopes with built in rings, because you can't vary the height if need be.
Hey Alf? I got a PA lottery ticket with some serious prizes - 1 in 125,000 shot at a million, same odds for $100,000. Goes off the third, you have a 1 : 125,000 chance of seeing that 10k scope for your AR. ;D
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Hey Alf? I got a PA lottery ticket with some serious prizes - 1 in 125,000 shot at a million, same odds for $100,000. Goes off the third, you have a 1 : 125,000 chance of seeing that 10k scope for your AR. ;D
Hey, if you just bought me a Bushnell 3200 I'd be happy. Or even just send me a P99 magazine. In fact, I'd be happy if during the press interviews you'd mention my name. [Script: "I want to especially thank that kind and wonderful gentlemen, and fabulous TV producer, Alf Sauve' (so-va') for all the encouragement and guidance over the last couple of months." (I could write more but I want it to fit a 5 second sound bite.) ]
Good luck.
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Comp C2 from Aimpoint. 10,000 hour battery life, 2MOA dot. I've got about 4 cheap red-dots that I tried before I bought the Aimpoint. The dots suck, they don't hold zero, wash out in bright sunlight, battery life is poor, batteries are stored in bad positions, etc. Save your money, save the aggravation. Invest in the Aimpoint. I found it on sale for $389 from a dealer in Red Oak, TX.
jr
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Based on my nephews comments, one career Army Ranger with service in 1st Gulf war, Iraq and Afghansitan, the other Marine Recon, Army LERP, Iraq and Afghansitan. They both have used various red dot sights in combat and they go for the Aimpoint, not cheap but when TSHTF, why would you trust your life to a cheap sight. That is what eventually I'll put on my evil black gun.
I think you need to RE-READ his request.
God I love it when a person starts a thread and then everyone weighs in with all sorts of replies that have no relevance what so ever to the original request.
F.Y.I. what he asked for Marine was I'm interested in putting some kind of red dot optics on it that won't cost me an arm and a leg. My question is; What experience does anyone have with the lower cost red dots? I'm looking for positive as well as negative comments. telling him about a $500 red dot is no where near lower cost - is it?
At least not to me.
Also never did he say he was going to Afgan, or Iraq - where did he say this was going to be his life saving gun? Everyone wants to point out how a $30 sight will not last up in a war zone.
Why can't this sight sit on top of a fun gun just for plinkiing and punching holes in paper?
Please people, exercise reading comprehension when replying to a post.
Pioneer I have see and shot the $70 TruGlo and have had no issues with it, I have shot an AK with a Burris Fast Fire also (that may be too expensive @~$165.00) it holds up well but has a very small on/off switch.
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Bought this unit from www.AR15.com. He sold out now but more available end of February.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=142&t=606737
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..... that won't cost me an arm and a leg. My question is; What experience does anyone have with the lower cost red dots? I'm looking for positive as well as negative comments.
I think most of the posts are providing Pioneer with the info he needs to make a decision. He's been shown a plethora of options in the <$150 range, some with the user's first hand experience. And as well, some slightly higher priced options. In addition, the suggestion was made, with justification, to go with plain optics as well.
Considering that red-dots go from between $10 and $10K+, where do you draw the line for "arm and leg". If you're going to spend $1,000 on the rifle, plus another couple hundred on accessories, then is $300 on quality optics within reason? I have learned, the hard way, that buying quality up front almost always pays off later on. That's all some of where trying to convey.
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I think first decision is purpose or use.
Home defense says no magnification. 100 yards plus there is a need for magnification (or less depending on use and eye performance).
Do you need really quick response to shoot or can you wait a few instants for precision for your intended purpose....do you need both?
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I think you need to RE-READ his request.
God I love it when a person starts a thread and then everyone weighs in with all sorts of replies that have no relevance what so ever to the original request.
F.Y.I. what he asked for Marine was I'm interested in putting some kind of red dot optics on it that won't cost me an arm and a leg. My question is; What experience does anyone have with the lower cost red dots? I'm looking for positive as well as negative comments. telling him about a $500 red dot is no where near lower cost - is it?
At least not to me.
Also never did he say he was going to Afgan, or Iraq - where did he say this was going to be his life saving gun? Everyone wants to point out how a $30 sight will not last up in a war zone.
Why can't this sight sit on top of a fun gun just for plinkiing and punching holes in paper?
Please people, exercise reading comprehension when replying to a post.
Pioneer I have see and shot the $70 TruGlo and have had no issues with it, I have shot an AK with a Burris Fast Fire also (that may be too expensive @~$165.00) it holds up well but has a very small on/off switch.
Which is less expensive, a $5 dollar hammer you have to replace every couple of years or a $25 hammer you pass onto your kids ?
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I think you need to RE-READ his request.
God I love it when a person starts a thread and then everyone weighs in with all sorts of replies that have no relevance what so ever to the original request.
F.Y.I. what he asked for Marine was I'm interested in putting some kind of red dot optics on it that won't cost me an arm and a leg. My question is; What experience does anyone have with the lower cost red dots? I'm looking for positive as well as negative comments. telling him about a $500 red dot is no where near lower cost - is it?
At least not to me.
Also never did he say he was going to Afgan, or Iraq - where did he say this was going to be his life saving gun? Everyone wants to point out how a $30 sight will not last up in a war zone.
Why can't this sight sit on top of a fun gun just for plinkiing and punching holes in paper?
Please people, exercise reading comprehension when replying to a post.
Pioneer I have see and shot the $70 TruGlo and have had no issues with it, I have shot an AK with a Burris Fast Fire also (that may be too expensive @~$165.00) it holds up well but has a very small on/off switch.
I've burned through several crappy red-dots, to the tune of a little over $250. If I'd had the benefit of experience, I'd have saved the money on those POS options, and spent more in order to have an EXCELLENT option that will last for years. YMMV.
I think it's humorous someone believes they can speak for others, or even better, validate/invalidate other people's opinions. We're trying to help this guy, and you interpose YOUR values on the conversation?
Exercise? Exercise restraint. I'm sure this guy can look at the opinions offered and make an informed decision. All by himself.
Peace.
jr
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Why thank you jimblob for setting me straight, next time someone asks abut red dots, I'll just tell them to buy an AK instead, your right why bother keeping it on topic, let's tell him that Stanley hammers are the best and maybe he should put one of those in every room of his house.
Pioneer do what jimbo tells you , he knows more than I do.
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Hey Tom, pass the popcorn...........this might get good.
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Nah pegleg, I'm out of this thread, not worth much more of my time in this useless argument.
Pioneer will do what he wants regardless of what the brain trust has to offer. And he should.
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I think the advice of saving for a better quality red dot optic system is extremely prudent. My choice would be an Aimpoint Comp M4, M3, M2 or for a really nice compact sight and just as well made, the Aimpoint H1, R1 or T1. You really do get what you pay for with red dot optic systems. There are none better than the Swedish made Aimpoints...ask the United States Military. You can also later on get a 3x magnifier to get the best of both worlds.
http://www.aimpoint.com/products/aimpoint_product_lines
There is also the option of a Trijicon ACOG, also employed by the U.S. Military......big bucks though and not a red dot optic, per se, but a great optic in its own right that utilizes a fiber optic system to illuminate the reticle in daylight or low light environments, or a tritium illumination of the reticle in no light. The ultimate is the ACOG with the Trijicon "Docter" red dot optic mounted on top....about $1,450 smackers though.
http://www.trijicon.com/user/parts/products1.cfm?PartID=583&back_row=4&categoryID=3
Good luck and go for quality.
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My son presented me with a Bushmaster 5.56 lower on Christmas morning, leaving it up to me to build the rest. I'm not sure if I want to thank him, or spank him. This gift is going to cost me about $800.00. My former partner / gunsmith will build it for me and said that's what the parts I want will cost. He won't charge me labor, but that's a long story.
Since I want an A3 flat-top configuration I'm interested in putting some kind of red dot optics on it that won't cost me an arm and a leg. My question is; What experience does anyone have with the lower cost red dots? I'm looking for positive as well as negative comments.
This rifle will not be used for 1000 yard tack-driving competition, just your basic SHTF defense and utility rifle.
For RTFM. Yes, Pioneer ask for feedback on red dots that won't cost an arm and a leg but for basic SHTF and utility rifle. He also asks about experiences with red dots. I don't have experience nor do I think my nephews have experience with low cost red dots. But they do have experience with Aimpoint, Trijicon and EOTech in combat. What's yours? Hope you read what others said here about cheap red dots. Here again comes the question. Why would you spend $1000 or so on a rifle and put a $25 sight on it. But for you, you decide how much your life is worth and go accordingly.
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I have a gadget happy friend who has bought a truckload of various cheap optics and red-dots. His current is the ATN and it seems to work ok, except when he leaves the thing on and runs down the battery. He had a Barska for a while and it worked ok too but it was bigger and heavier. The thing is he has had so many of them break and be replaced that he probably could have bought an Aimpoint. I decided long ago that if I can't afford a GOOD sight of this type I might as well not bother. I would buy an Aimpoint if I had the cash but nothing else that I have seen or researched comes close to being reliable enough for my taste.
That being said, these guys have a huge sale right now;
http://www.opticsplanet.net/red-dot-scopes.html (http://www.opticsplanet.net/red-dot-scopes.html)
Remember;
Buy cheap, buy twice and only a rich man can afford to buy twice.
(ripped off from somebody)
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All ya'll should lighten up a bit...
I don't know jack shit about scopes but I do know about tools and Stanley makes some real JUNK.....avoid at all cost...
Starrett, Lufkin, Estwing, Snap-On, that's the ticket!!! ;D
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Since I want an A3 flat-top configuration I'm interested in putting some kind of red dot optics on it that won't cost me an arm and a leg. My question is; What experience does anyone have with the lower cost red dots? I'm looking for positive as well as negative comments.
This rifle will not be used for 1000 yard tack-driving competition, just your basic SHTF defense and utility rifle.
I have 3 Tru-glos I bought on sale for about $40 each. I had problems with the first one - ate batteries, killed the little 2032 lithiums in a day. So I contacted Tru-glo by email, fast response, said to return it to the store. I did, not questions asked, got a replacement which was so nice I got 2 more - both worked well too.
Those are for the basic rifles. When I get done with the 6.8 build-out, I will put something better on top, like an Eotech or Aimpoint.
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Why thank you jimblob for setting me straight, next time someone asks abut red dots, I'll just tell them to buy an AK instead, your right why bother keeping it on topic, let's tell him that Stanley hammers are the best and maybe he should put one of those in every room of his house.
Pioneer do what jimbo tells you , he knows more than I do.
Ah, when logic fails, resort to name-calling. You stay classy, RTFM.
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Gee jimbob, can't you take a compliment? ;) ;D
Nevermind. I didn't notice earlier that he said jimbLob. ::)
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Hey Pioneer, what is your budget, a lot of people on the forum know I'm a hound when it comes to finding deals.
On the low end I've used Tasco pro points for a long time, and they have held up well, mostly on handguns but also on 12 gauge 1100. Battery life is not great, and had one front lens fall off, which is the coated part, so the dot washes out easier, but it still works. We shoot a .22lr carbine match at my local club, with most of us using AR .22lr conversions, most are using low end optics, like Tru Glo, NCstar, BSA, Barska etc... Most of them are working decent for the match we shoot, if the unit had a problem, it usually showed up quick, got repaired or exchanged and was ok after that. The single lens reflex designs that look like a C more, aren't beefy enough to whack it on a barricade, and the ones that have multiple reticles, don't shoot to the same point of aim, if you go from 1 reticle to another.
The Hakko and Oki dot are a step ahead of the lowest end.
Now to the medium to upper end.
1) C-Mores can be had new for under 250.00 bucks, very sturdy, and a good sight picture, bright in full sunlight, I like 2 minute dots on rifles, and I think the lowest they go is 4 minutes, not a deal breaker but that will cover up a head at 100 yards. The main draw back if you want to call it one, is the adjustment system is very coarse, get it sighted in and lock it down, never expecting to adjust it in the field.
2) The bushnell holo sight, not milspec like the Eotech, but a lot less money, and they are sturdy too.
3) Trijicon reflex, Msrp on these will scare you, but I got a used one on AR15dotcom, with an Arms quick release mount for 225.00 bucks, put it on my Marlin 336 levergun.
4) C class or older aimpoints. Again not milspec, but you still get a lot of good features, extended battery time and less money. I bought a used comp C3, with quick release mount for 360.00 on AR15dotcom as well. The mount go's for a hundred bucks. Side by side, I can't tell it from my comp M2 2x.
5) Look for quality used optics, that have lifetime warranties, lower cost and your covered if it breaks, unless it was abuse.
6) Not a red dot, but I picked up a 1.5x5 Leupold vari x 3, for 175.00 bucks, because it was mounted on a 7mm Mag, and they did not tighten the rings sufficiently and scratched the hell out of it, when it slipped under recoil. Scratches and dents don't bother me if it works. Msrp on that scope was 500 bills. It is on one of my 3 gun AR's.
Message me here, and I will try to find what you seek, I do it everday for me, would not mind doing it for you. ;D
M25 Scopebroker
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I was thinking of getting a red dot like a Weaver with 4 reticles but don't want one if it shoots to 4 different points of aim. I have enough trouble zeroing in already. The 1.5x5 Leupold scope sounds sweet. Good for short or long range. 5x beats 1x when you get a little distance.
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I'd like to thank those who posted responses and engaged in discussions about the pluses and minuses of various optics. A little background info:
I am building the gun from scratch. My son gave me the lower for Christmas, and I'd like to get it done before the Obama hits the fan. Because I'm not confident in my gun building abilities, I am having it built for me by a trusted friend and gunsmith, who refuses to charge me labor. (It goes back to something in our days as uniform police officers.)
The rifle will be one of my SHTF rifles, and I have no intention of going to either Afghanistan, or Iraq with it. After a break-in period and becoming satisfied with whatever optics I decide on, it will spend a lot of time in one of my safes. The rifle will not be used in competition, long-range target shooting, or hunting of any kind. I don't need, or want high-end optics on it for now.
After my career as a police officer, I worked for Leupold for about 5 years, which was just a few miles from my home at the time. While at Leupold I managed to befriend a number of highly paid engineers and world-class shooters. Using their expertise and the company facilities, I managed to put together a couple of tack-driving rifles with top-o-the-line Leupold optics, purchased at employee discount of course. I also managed to learn a little bit about optics and what to look for, and what to avoid. I'm a firm believer in the old saying, "you get what you pay for."
Now, having said all of that, I'm in a bit of a financial bind at the moment, as are many of us. Over the Christmas Holidays, we had a record snow fall for our neck of the woods. That record snow fall and unusual arctic cold air blast, caused some damage to my house and property. Some, but not all covered by insurance. In regards to the AR, I want to put it together with the basics, in the A-3 configuration, and slap some kind of reliable 1x, red/green/amber/whatever optics on it. As time goes by and my higher priority expenses are back under control, I will look into upgrading. I’m loyal to Leupold products, and will look seriously at their CQT. For now, I just want to get it operational.
Thanks again, Pioneer AKA: Ron
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Recently bought an AR, wanted to put some kind of sight on it so I bought a BSA. Seems okay, not alot of rounds through it. The one thing I did do is keep the iron sights and mount the "dot" high enough to let me use both. I hate batteries. So that is why I use both the dot and iron sights. Cause when tshtf, there will be limited batteries available. Just my 2cents
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I haven't used my BSA red dot enough to know if it's any good. If I put it back on one of my guns, time will tell. My other red dot sight was too bulky for a pistol and too darned big of a dot for a rifle. I think it was a Tasco. Whatever it was it broke years ago. So far those 2 were all I had so I can't really say any are good AND cheap.
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Pioneer,
You may want to just stick with the iron sights for now.
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Pioneer, certainly understand your situation. I am in somewhat the same position. I want a collapisble stock for my AR and Aimpoint Comp2 sight but can't right now. For now I have a Leupold 6X fixed powder scope on it. Doesn't look right but works. I too am partial to Leupold scopes. On my other upper with a 24" bull barrel, I use a Leupold 6.5X20 EFR, great combination. Enjoy.
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Pioneer,You may want to just stick with the iron sights for now.
But, I don't want to do that.
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My son presented me with a Bushmaster 5.56 lower on Christmas morning, leaving it up to me to build the rest. I'm not sure if I want to thank him, or spank him. This gift is going to cost me about $800.00. My former partner / gunsmith will build it for me and said that's what the parts I want will cost. He won't charge me labor, but that's a long story.
Since I want an A3 flat-top configuration I'm interested in putting some kind of red dot optics on it that won't cost me an arm and a leg. My question is; What experience does anyone have with the lower cost red dots? I'm looking for positive as well as negative comments.
This rifle will not be used for 1000 yard tack-driving competition, just your basic SHTF defense and utility rifle.
They fog up, mounting systems aren't very good, they're not built to last, etc...
If you're going to strictly punch holes in paper, a cheapo red dot will work. Otherwise, I wouldn't skimp out. You pretty much get what you pay for with optics. Save up and keep your eyes peeled for a used Aimpoint ML2 or even an Eotech.
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I had this same argument in my head...it didn't turn out well.
I got a Trijicon ACOG with red dot. I figured you get what you pay for and if I wanted a good one, I should just get a good one. The red dot ones that are good are a bit more expensive, but in optics there is a reason. If I was using it for home defense, I would not trust my life to a $5 scope from China over a trusted manufacturer. I use optics in my line of work (Microscopes and loupes) and I can tell the difference instantly from the good ones and the cheap ones.
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I like Bushnell scopes and was wondering if anyone has used or knows of these?
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0037645712540a&type=product&cmCat=SEARCH_all_NYR&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&Ntk=Products&QueryText=bushnell&sort=all&Go.y=0&_D%3AhasJS=+&Nty=1&hasJS=true&Ne=2510&nyr=1&N=4542&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jsp.form23&Go.x=0&_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0015003711540a&type=product&cmCat=SEARCH_all_NYR&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&Ntk=Products&QueryText=bushnell&sort=all&Go.y=0&_D%3AhasJS=+&Nty=1&hasJS=true&Ne=2510&nyr=1&N=4542&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jsp.form23&Go.x=0&_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1
thanks.
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Pioneer, I'll say off the bat that I haven't handled either of these optics personally. They have been recommended to me, for light plinking and paper punching. Neither of these options have been explored or mentioned in this thread, so I wanted to add my two cents. I have no idea what your budget is when you say not an arm and a leg, but here it goes. They are both Bushnell optics. The first being the Eotech clone. Everything that I've heard and seen, is that these are a decent red dot. Average MSRP is in the neighborhood $200 i think. The other one is the Bushnell Trophy MP 1x32 red dot. Its housing loosely resembles the Acog, and utilizes a t-dot reticle. It retails for something like $150. Again, I haven't heard any consistent bad reports about either one. 90 to 10, the people that bought and use them really like em. Hope this helps, and I hope your recovery from this winter goes smoothly.
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Brownells has an AIMPOINT COMPM4 for $702.00 with a FREE Flip-Up Iron Sight. That's still out of my league but Aimpoint is top quality and the backup sight is a good one. http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/productdetail.aspx?p=26807&mc_ID=4021
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I have heard nothing but GOOD things about the TruGlo red dot optics (shown back at the beginning of this thread) . I have a couple of students who have bought them and like them. For under $100, it is hard to pass up giving them a chance.
I'm building a new AR right now and have a fair amount o rifle work scheduled this year on the training ranges and I plan to experiment with the TruGlo.
-RJP
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I have heard nothing but GOOD things about the TruGlo red dot optics (shown back at the beginning of this thread) . I have a couple of students who have bought them and like them. For under $100, it is hard to pass up giving them a chance.
I'm building a new AR right now and have a fair amount o rifle work scheduled this year on the training ranges and I plan to experiment with the TruGlo.
-RJP
Keep us posted Ron. EVERY ONE wants good sights for less money ;D