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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: Fatman on January 10, 2009, 11:01:07 PM
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...because I have a feeling by the time I fully break it in, my guide rod is pretty well shot? 500 rounds is my guess. ???
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They have to last longer then that? I mean, my original stock Glsok guide rod had more than 500. I only replaced it as and for and with an upgrade or better one...
But I'll be curious to read and see what other replies might say?
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Finally found it in my 5th rephrased google search.
800 - 1000 rounds, the part is all one piece. Figured I'd post for others with the pistol.
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??? Is it made of plastic or something? Maybe just my experience, but I've NEVER had to replace a guiderod in a handgun. The guiderod in my Infiinity has seen no less than 35,000 rounds. I had a Glock 35 with 75K rounds and no need to replace the guiderod (which is plastic).
The spring will need replacement, but rarely the guiderod, at least in my experience. I'd be interested in knowing why 1000 rounds is considered an outside limit for this gun's guiderod.
jr
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??? Is it made of plastic or something? Maybe just my experience, but I've NEVER had to replace a guiderod in a handgun. The guiderod in my Infiinity has seen no less than 35,000 rounds. I had a Glock 35 with 75K rounds and no need to replace the guiderod (which is plastic).
The spring will need replacement, but rarely the guiderod, at least in my experience. I'd be interested in knowing why 1000 rounds is considered an outside limit for this gun's guiderod.
jr
the guide rod / springs are all one piece. Springs are 25lb, and from shooting it, I can tell you that component is getting stomped on hard. Front piece of the assembly is plastic, the rod is not. Guess the springs go under the pounding, so the whole component gets replaced.
Please don't tell me someone thought a plastic guide rod is a good thing...
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Ah, gotcha. One-piece like the Glock guiderod/spring assembly, huh? Still, a 25-lb spring is going to have a fair lifetime. I run 12-lb springs, and they last about 10-12K rounds.
Glock thought it was a good thing. They work great.
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...because I have a feeling by the time I fully break it in, my guide rod is pretty well shot? 500 rounds is my guess. ???
Straight out of the Hawg Manual...probably due to the twin spring design of the Hawg's guide rod. I read this before I bought one and decided on a Commander size instead.
Recoil Spring Assembly - Maintenance Interval
"The recoil spring assembly consists of the outer and inner
recoil springs (Parts 37A and 37B), the recoil spring inner
and outer guide rods, and the recoil spring guide plate (Parts
38A-C). The recoil spring assembly should be replaced every
800 to 1000 rounds when using standard velocity ammunition.
The use of higher velocity ammunition will decrease the life of
the springs and necessitate replacement earlier."
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Straight out of the Hawg Manual...probably due to the twin spring design of the Hawg's guide rod. I read this before I bought one and decided on a Commander size instead.
Recoil Spring Assembly - Maintenance Interval
"The recoil spring assembly consists of the outer and inner
recoil springs (Parts 37A and 37B), the recoil spring inner
and outer guide rods, and the recoil spring guide plate (Parts
38A-C). The recoil spring assembly should be replaced every
800 to 1000 rounds when using standard velocity ammunition.
The use of higher velocity ammunition will decrease the life of
the springs and necessitate replacement earlier."
Now I've got to find somewhere to buy an assembly, lol
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Now I've got to find somewhere to buy an assembly, lol
I've had no problems dealing direct with Para using their contact email. They always get right back to me with the information I request. No doubt they stock the assemblies considering it's used in all of their 3" bull barrel pistols. Shouldn't be very expensive either.
I got the impression they were moving the operation to SC from FL, maybe Mr. Bane can clarify.
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Yeah, they gave me an extra for my p12 gratis. I'm guessing they will be reasonable on the hawg too. I was looking on the web for one, no luck.
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For anyone unfamiliar with it, there's a skinny captive spring that's permanenty attached to the guide rod assembly, and a regular non-captive spring on the outside. A typical Gov't Model spring is only 16 pounds and these two combined are a lot stiffer. If they used one spring instead of two it would be too stiff to work the action by hand.
I bought a spare for my P10 and haven't switched it yet. It's holding up a lot better than I thought it would. When I got my 12.45 LDA it was having some malfunctions. One of the things they did was switch from a Officer's ACP type single spring system to a Warthog type dual spring. The only difference from the P10/Warthog is that it's made for a 3.5" barrel. Brownells has both sizes, page 494 and 495 of the newest catalog, and they're in stock.
199-000-118 Recoil Spring Assembly, Blue $27.18 for 3" Barrel
199-000-352 Recoil Spring Assembly, 3.5" Barrel $27.18