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Member Section => Defense and Tactics => Topic started by: Rastus on January 18, 2009, 02:31:31 PM
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Who makes the more comfortable inside the pant carry holster? I'm thinking leather, no retention, no strap.
Any and all recommendations are appreciated.
Thanks,
Ken
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I recomend the strap...
Lots of good makers out there, the trick is to get your pants 1" bigger(as a starting point anyways).
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Here's the one I use every day:
http://www.gouldusa.com/products/showModel.php?bare_page=1&id_main=17&line=gold
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Leather-lined Kydex rocks! And you can tuck your shirt in around it for more concealment.
http://rlcompanyusa.stores.yahoo.net/sithiwb.html (http://rlcompanyusa.stores.yahoo.net/sithiwb.html)
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cross breed super tuck is also pretty amazing. Basically a leather padle with a kydex holster.
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google high noon holsters
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cross breed super tuck is also pretty amazing. Basically a leather padle with a kydex holster.
Second this. I CCW with this 15 hrs a day sometimes with no discomfort whatsoever. Very wide and distributes the weight onto your belt at two points 8" apart for my 45
http://www.crossbreedholsters.com/ (http://www.crossbreedholsters.com/)
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Uncle Mikes Side kick
www.uncle-mikes.com
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http://www.gunnersalley.com/product/H715
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I go with HighNoon holsters
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I use this with a Kel-Tec PF9 with good results.
http://www.highnoonholsters.com/Product_Line/Bare_Asset/bare_asset.html (ftp://http://www.highnoonholsters.com/Product_Line/Bare_Asset/bare_asset.html)
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I go with HighNoon holsters
I have one from High Noon and I like it. I also have a Crossbreed holster as well. I like the High noon a little better as it is MUCH easier for ME to use and put on. I am waiting on delivery of another High Noon hoster for my other intended carry gun today. ;D
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In leather, I've had really good luck/comfort with my Don Hume's
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Inside the Pant as in Pocket? Or inside the waistband?
For pocket holsters, it's hard to go wrong with the Desantis pocket holster, or and Uncle Mike's. The Desantis is thinner than the UM but both are cost effective and work. For higher end pocket holsters, there any number of leather ones that will suit your needs. I carry a Keltec P3AT in a UM pocket holster. Works great.
For IWB, there is really one standard that everyone tries to emulate and that is the Milt Sparks Summer Special or VersaMax II holster. www.miltsparks.com
The summer special is the classic IWB holster for a gun of any flavor, the VersMax II, IMHO is the new standard. It has a much wider profile and makes the gun extremely stable. The reinforced mouth makes reinserting the gun a breeze.
I will interject that this is the BIGGEST ISSUE that people do not check with a holster, is the fact that you have to REHOLSTER your weapon if you draw it. And why you should really, NEVER buy a IWB holster that does not keep the holster mouth open to put the gun back in. THIS IS A SERIOUS SAFETY ISSUE. Get it? Got it? Good... (ie... avoid the Uncle Mics IWB holster)
I shoot a lot of IDPA matches, (BTW this is a great place to figure out if your carry gun/holster/belt/garmets work) and my club really encourages new people to come and try it out. The biggest safety issues we have is with IWB holsters that do not stay open after the draw. It is virtually impossible to get the gun back int he holster with out violating the primary gun safety law. Thou Shalt NEVER point the gun at anything you don't intend to destroy! In order to reholster in this type of holster you have to either POINT the gun at your self to wedge the holster open, or put your fingers in the holster and point the gun at your fingers to reinsert the gun. BAD IDEA!!!!
Ok, enough said there.
Milt Spark Holsters are incredibly durable, will last a lifetime, and are well worth the money. But there are many makers that have knock offs, some good, some not so good. I use a Milt Sparks VersMax II and love it, wouldn't trade it for the world.
The other KEY issue with a holster is the BELT!!!!!!! You must have a gun belt if you wear a holster on your belt. No if's and's or buts!!! PERIOD!!!
Goto http://www.thebeltman.net/ and order yourself a good sturdy belt. You are doing yourself a huge disservice if you put a standard dress belt, or standard department store leather belt on and strap a holster to it with a gun. I cannot over emphasis the importance of having a good support system to hold your holster and gun. Great gun, great holster, cheap belt = miserable experience. Change the belt and you will be surprised at how comfortable carrying a gun can be.
Brian
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I have Milt Sparks VMII. It took maybe a week of constant use before it broke in enough (and I got used to it enough) for it to feel comfortable.
Many people highly recommend the comp-tac.com c-tac holster which uses a simlar concept but in kydex. Their newer minotaur is a leather/kydex hybrid where you can swap out kydex shells to fit different pistols.
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Inside the Pant as in Pocket? Or inside the waistband?
For pocket holsters, it's hard to go wrong with the Desantis pocket holster, or and Uncle Mike's. The Desantis is thinner than the UM but both are cost effective and work. For higher end pocket holsters, there any number of leather ones that will suit your needs. I carry a Keltec P3AT in a UM pocket holster. Works great.
For IWB, there is really one standard that everyone tries to emulate and that is the Milt Sparks Summer Special or VersaMax II holster. www.miltsparks.com
The summer special is the classic IWB holster for a gun of any flavor, the VersMax II, IMHO is the new standard. It has a much wider profile and makes the gun extremely stable. The reinforced mouth makes reinserting the gun a breeze.
I will interject that this is the BIGGEST ISSUE that people do not check with a holster, is the fact that you have to REHOLSTER your weapon if you draw it. And why you should really, NEVER buy a IWB holster that does not keep the holster mouth open to put the gun back in. THIS IS A SERIOUS SAFETY ISSUE. Get it? Got it? Good... (ie... avoid the Uncle Mics IWB holster)
I shoot a lot of IDPA matches, (BTW this is a great place to figure out if your carry gun/holster/belt/garmets work) and my club really encourages new people to come and try it out. The biggest safety issues we have is with IWB holsters that do not stay open after the draw. It is virtually impossible to get the gun back int he holster with out violating the primary gun safety law. Thou Shalt NEVER point the gun at anything you don't intend to destroy! In order to reholster in this type of holster you have to either POINT the gun at your self to wedge the holster open, or put your fingers in the holster and point the gun at your fingers to reinsert the gun. BAD IDEA!!!!
Ok, enough said there.
Milt Spark Holsters are incredibly durable, will last a lifetime, and are well worth the money. But there are many makers that have knock offs, some good, some not so good. I use a Milt Sparks VersMax II and love it, wouldn't trade it for the world.
The other KEY issue with a holster is the BELT!!!!!!! You must have a gun belt if you wear a holster on your belt. No if's and's or buts!!! PERIOD!!!
Goto http://www.thebeltman.net/ and order yourself a good sturdy belt. You are doing yourself a huge disservice if you put a standard dress belt, or standard department store leather belt on and strap a holster to it with a gun. I cannot over emphasis the importance of having a good support system to hold your holster and gun. Great gun, great holster, cheap belt = miserable experience. Change the belt and you will be surprised at how comfortable carrying a gun can be.
Brian
I'll grant you that Uncle Mikes requires some attention to re holster, of course if you are re holstering the problem has already gone away, and since I don't use it in competition I don't give a crap about competition rules.
But I've been carrying IWB with an Uncle Mikes and no belt for a couple decades now and haven't found a problem yet.
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I'll grant you that Uncle Mikes requires some attention to re holster, of course if you are re holstering the problem has already gone away, and since I don't use it in competition I don't give a crap about competition rules.
But I've been carrying IWB with an Uncle Mikes and no belt for a couple decades now and haven't found a problem yet.
Forget competition... the rules of competition don't mean squat. The ONLY rules I care about are the Cardinal 4 (Or 3 depending on which book your reading)
And Number 1 is the primary rule that we should NEVER BREAK!!!!
if you carry a IWB UM holster, you have to violate rule 1 of gun handling to reholster the weapon.
If you have a gun and holster, you need to practice drawing and reholstering. If you were to actually use your gun in a situation, the last thing you want is for your gun to be out of the holster in your hand when an LEO arrives. You need to re holster your gun.
So, you are now in a highly charged state of mind, full of adrenaline, and you have to re holster your gun, in a cheap IWB holster, let's just say it's a glock with no safety, and you not only have to violate rule 1 of gun handling, but as your are fumbling for your holster, with BOTH hands, and looking at your holster, you are POINTING the gun at yourself and trying to accomplish fine motor skills.
So forget competition, if we are training is this a good situation to be in? if not, how do we fix it. Answer... a good holster.
I'm glad it's worked for you, but is it really safe? That's what I'm asking.
If you can't reholster your gun safely without looking, then you only know 1/2 of what you need to know. It's like a race car driver that doesn't know where the brake is.
Brian
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I have been very happy with my FIST K1 holsters.
I have them for P239, G19, G26 and 1911. They do make a leather kydex lined IWB holster that is way too pretty.
http://www.fist-inc.com/holsters/k1/Default.htm
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HI;
I use a Kramer good leather fine fit .
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Check out Com-Tac as well.
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I've been "beta-testing" an IWB from a relative newcomer, John Ralston at 5-Shot Leather:
http://www.5shotleather.com/
I have to say I'm pretty impressed. Not only is the holster beautiful, it's extremely well thought out, with dual belt loops to allow the holster to fit over a blet loop on the pants, a reinforced mouth for reholstering — which is important in a real world as well as a competition context! — and a skin guard for the hammer (a la the great Lou Alessi...who is one of Ralston's mentors).
I've worn the holster with the Carry 9 for several days now (I got it at SHOT, then broke it in by putting the gun in the plastic bag the holster came in and shoving the gun in the holster...in a couple of days, viola, a "broken-in" holster!).
At this point, I;m willing to give it a TWO THUMBS UP...I was wearing it yesterday and I forgot I had it on...for an IWB, that is perfect!
Michael B
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Thank you Michael!
Some day when you need a good home for your Heinie gun, we can get you something like this....
(http://www.5shotleather.com/images/stark-small.jpg)
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Thank you Michael!
Some day when you need a good home for your Heinie gun, we can get you something like this....
Next payday I'm pretty certain you'll get at least one call from Oklahoma. I see that 1911's are available in the Uncle Lou, how about something for CZ-75 Compact and a Ruger SR-9 (yes MB I still like mine despite the griping I did about the trigger....the overall design, reliability and performance overcomes the heavy pull which, OK, I'll say it, may be beneficial for concealed carry)? Also, I saw some really neat Stingray hide at a gun show recently......
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obviously I know SFA about this however I did hear MB talk about that new Holster he is testing out on a PodCast
on another podcast I heard about Smart Carry holsters
http://smartcarry.com/
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obviously I know SFA about this however I did hear MB talk about that new Holster he is testing out on a PodCast
on another podcast I heard about Smart Carry holsters
http://smartcarry.com/
I've heard good things about the holsters and Charlie Parrot the old Marine who makes them. Never tried one myself yet.
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Uncle Mikes Side kick
www.uncle-mikes.com
Same here. About 12:30 with the XD 9.
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Got one on pre-order....no SR9 mold. Oh well....drop back to the M&P.
By the way, I like that avatar gorknoids.
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I wish I'd invented it! The Mrs. won't let me get it tattooed on me anywhere, unfortunately.......
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Uncle Mikes Side kick
www.uncle-mikes.com
I bought this exact item and found that it was WAY to bulky, the snap retention was too hard to unbutton and rode to high.
Just my personal opinion. I think it would be GREAT for outside the pants...hunting or on personal property.
then again...im toting around the Springfield XD .45acp Tactical for my CCW lol... i know its not your typical CCW but i got to work with what i have.
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I bought this exact item and found that it was WAY to bulky, the snap retention was too hard to unbutton and rode to high.
Just my personal opinion. I think it would be GREAT for outside the pants...hunting or on personal property.
then again...im toting around the Springfield XD .45acp Tactical for my CCW lol... i know its not your typical CCW but i got to work with what i have.
This is what I use;
http://www.uncle-mikes.com/products/inside_the_pant_holsters.html
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I've been using one of these Ted Blocker Mod 12's for years with my 1911's. I bought it back when the price was $35.00.
http://www.tedblockerholsters.com/MOD12.php
It's a good IWB holster.
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I use the Uncle Mike's Sidekick for My Kel-Tec 9mm and it's been working perfectly for 8 years. Reholstering isn't a problem. If I index my booger hook along the frame of the weapon like I'm SUPPOSED to the booger hook reaches the holster before the gun does, which allows me to spread the holster and let the weapon follow my fingertip into the opening in the holster.
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This is what I use;
http://www.uncle-mikes.com/products/inside_the_pant_holsters.html
lol I own this same exact holster as well... fits ALOT better and more comfy! But damned the luck i had to drop $80 on my Crossbreed Super Tuck Delux. F.Y.I (Speaking only for XD owners) If you buy a Super Tuck Delux IWB holster from crossbreed, i was informed today that it CAN and WILL fit ANY XD and XDM pistol.... 1 holster fits all.... *wipes tear from eye*
I know some of you might of already known that....but im new at this... and i cry everytime i know im gonna save money in the long run not having to buy holsters for my XD and XDM family.
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I find that I am happiest if I leave my pants size the same. I tend to wear my clothes a bit loose, so you may have be different.
I have found the Milt Sparks VMII with a Sig P220 (single stack .45) to be incredible comfortable. Oddly enough, the all kydex Comp-Tac CTAC with a 9mm Baby Glock (26) is also very comfortable.
The leather/kydex Comp-Tac MTAC with a Glock 19 is acceptable, but not as form fitting as the Sparks.
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Anybody have any experience or knowledge of the DeSantis Pop Up holster?
It looks well made, the idea being that the gun sits just below the beltline in the holster and you "eject" it by pushing up on the muzzle (through your pants) to push it up above your beltline and making it accessible.
(http://www.desantisholster.com/storefront/attachments/ImageLG/020.jpg)
Looks kinda cool.
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cross breed super tuck is also pretty amazing. Basically a leather padle with a kydex holster.
Yep, I will ditto Nupe's vote: http://www.crossbreedholsters.com/beltslide.html
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Check out www.concealmentconcepts.com and thier cell pal holster
watch the instruction video.
Ive had mine for two years, it is the ultimate in concealment
I love it ;D
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Anybody have any experience or knowledge of the DeSantis Pop Up holster?
It looks well made, the idea being that the gun sits just below the beltline in the holster and you "eject" it by pushing up on the muzzle (through your pants) to push it up above your beltline and making it accessible.
(http://www.desantisholster.com/storefront/attachments/ImageLG/020.jpg)
Looks kinda cool.
http://www.desantisholster.com/storefrontB2CWEB/browse.do?action=refresh_browse&ctg_id=121330
Just bought a Tuck This II from DeSantis. Mainly as a IWB holster, although the "tuck" ability is nice. I bought it for it's adjustability, and so far it's been great for a value priced holster.
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Ken,
I make holsters (and rifle slings) for a living...my IWB is an ancient Summer Special from Milt Sparks....good stuff!
Andy
Who makes the more comfortable inside the pant carry holster? I'm thinking leather, no retention, no strap.
Any and all recommendations are appreciated.
Thanks,
Ken