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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: 1776 Rebel on January 24, 2009, 06:34:37 PM
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Just walked into the house and CNN was going crazy about a shootout in Miami. Apparently 9 shot and the BGs used AKs. Looks to me like some gangbanger work. But this is what could easily be used as the pretense for an executive order ! "you see how horrible those weapons are!" So keep an eye out over the next couple of days if BHO takes some swift action. Don't let a call for an AWB to go unanswered.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/01/24/miami.shooting/index.html?section=cnn_latest
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090124/ap_on_re_us/miami_shooting_5
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We had an incident earlier this month where the BG used an SKS to do the dirty work.
http://www.gazette.com/articles/school_45981___article.html/investigators_park.html (http://www.gazette.com/articles/school_45981___article.html/investigators_park.html)
Fortunately we don't live in a media center so it got no more notice than the usual gang shooting.
I wish there was a solution for this kind of senselessness. I do know that the solution will NOT come out of Washington.
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There is a solution. LOCK THE F*&KERS UP.
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There is a solution. kill THE F*&KERS.
fixed
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+1 Let God sort them out.
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Just a few "law abiding citizens" hanging in the hood shooting craps (Isn't that called "Illegal gambling" or something like that ?) Not saying they deserved it, but it does point to the fact that if you avoid illegal activities your chances of getting shot go way down.
I'm willing to bet that IF the shooter is ever caught he will be a Black male between 18 and 28 with a history of gang activity and previous arrests that were plead down to minor sentences or probation. I'm further willing to bet he does not get a life term for this crime. If caught he will be back on the street within 10 15 years. :(
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It was big news here in S. Florida, the bigger news was the press conference by the Miami-Dade Police chief. I searched online for a transcript but have yet to find it, the jist of it is VP Biden has spoken with the Chief, and assured him that these evil AK's and AW's will be,......wait for it,.... "REMOVED from their availability to the public" The criminals get them anyway, but thats not important.
The even sadder part is this happened in Liberty City, a literal ghetto of Miami where there has always been crime and poverty and riots, 1979, was the last big one.. A 30-30 Winchester could have caused the same amount of death and damage, or a pump action 12g with slugs, but Noooooooo, the evil AK gets the hype and now the Miami-Dade Police are advocates of a AWB.
http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/local/MI110885/
"After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it."
William Burroughs
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I find it so moronic when the lawmakers go after HOW the person killed a bunch of people instead of WHY they did.
Let's ban assault weapons so next time, they'll use a handgun!
Let's ban handguns so next time they'll use a knife.
Let's ban knives so next time they'll just beat someone to death with a crowbar.
Let's ban crowbars do next time they'll use their bare hands.
Let's ban.... uh... hands?
It's just like terrorism. The problem is not always HOW the person went about their actions, but WHY. If we address they WHY part, then in the long term, we would be working toward a society where people don't hate each other (or themselves) enough to open fire in a crowd or strap a bomb to themselves. Banning the method the person used to kill is just treating the symptom without addressing the real problem (which may be different in each case, making people THINK a little about it instead of just having a knee-jerk reaction).
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you know what I changed my mind... don't kill them, use this... (http://www.hunterspec.com/indexVideoFlashPro.cfm?vidFile=BUTT_OUTNEW.flv&vidWidth=320&vidHeight=240)
******************* MIGHT NOT BE SAFE FOR WORK*************************
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you know what I changed my mind... don't kill them, use this... (http://www.hunterspec.com/indexVideoFlashPro.cfm?vidFile=BUTT_OUTNEW.flv&vidWidth=320&vidHeight=240)
******************* MIGHT NOT BE SAFE FOR WORK*************************
Once you start using it as a weapon, the government would ban plastic solid waste excretion system removal tools.
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You know I've done some thinking about this...
I'll bet a box of shells that the guys doing the shooting where already prohibited from owning guns.
Any takers? ;D
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You know I've done some thinking about this...
I'll bet a box of shells that the guys doing the shooting where already prohibited from owning guns.
Any takers? ;D
I'll bet a box of shells that it's illegal to kill or maim people in Florida, whether they used a gun to do it or not ;-)
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I'll bet a box of shells that it's illegal to kill or maim people in Florida, whether they used a gun to do it or not ;-)
Lots of people out there alive today becuase its illegal to kill them... most of them building inspectors. ;D
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It's just like terrorism. The problem is not always HOW the person went about their actions, but WHY. If we address they WHY part, then in the long term, we would be working toward a society where people don't hate each other (or themselves) enough to open fire in a crowd or strap a bomb to themselves. Banning the method the person used to kill is just treating the symptom without addressing the real problem (which may be different in each case, making people THINK a little about it instead of just having a knee-jerk reaction).
The WHY is a very hotly contested issue, with no actual answer in sight, is it poverty, is it depression, is it a bad neighborhood, is America's foreign policy? it's probably none and all, any mix of whatever. what you do is treat each case individually, for regular crime and for terrorism you use a very heavy hand until the terrorists are driven from their hideouts by the communities in which they hide. Loss by attrition. Its the only way it has worked, look at the Philippines, and is the only way it will work.
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What's interesting is that V-P Biden's "guarantee" to the weasel mayor of Miami to ban assault weapons seems to have disappeared. Wonder why that might be?
I spent a lot of time in Liberty City back in the mid-1980s during the drug wars...good place for a journalist to be back then! Was crazy dangerous then; is crazy dangerous now. +1 for Tom Bogan...just a few law-abiding citizens shooting craps on the sidewalk...
Michael B
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How do they know it was an AK 47? Or is this just a convenient event to demonize guns. I know that it may very well have been an AK and I assume they have 7.62 x 39 casings, and witnesses said it was an AK, but that doesn't mean it is. The media frequently gets firearm information wrong in their reporting. I once saw Dan Rather cal an M-1 carbine an AK 47. It has such a much more evil tone to it and suits the antis better.
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I've read about a dozen different news sources on this shooting and to their credit most do NOT specify AK-47, though they do all say it was an "assault weapon". Most are just reprinting the AP report. I can't access to original (and complete) AP release, only what the various news organization reprint, it doesn't appear AP used "AK-47".
HOWEVER, CNN quotes Chief Timoney as saying it was an AK-47. They are the only news source with such a quote.
The Sun Sentinel does say "According to detectives, a man with an AK-47 assault rifle..." (un-named detectives, of course)
The Miami Herald, however only makes this reference:
"Kendra said she noticed a man outside pulling a gun from his waistband.
''Big, like an AK-47,'' she said."
WAISTBAND? AN AK-47?
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I've read about a dozen different news sources on this shooting and to their credit most do NOT specify AK-47, though they do all say it was an "assault weapon". Most are just reprinting the AP report. I can't access to original (and complete) AP release, only what the various news organization reprint, it doesn't appear AP used "AK-47".
HOWEVER, CNN quotes Chief Timoney as saying it was an AK-47. They are the only news source with such a quote.
The Sun Sentinel does say "According to detectives, a man with an AK-47 assault rifle..." (un-named detectives, of course)
The Miami Herald, however only makes this reference:
"Kendra said she noticed a man outside pulling a gun from his waistband.
''Big, like an AK-47,'' she said."
WAISTBAND? AN AK-47?
well, why not, he was probably wearing those baggy pants and they were hanging down around his ass. Haven't you seen that video about why school kids shouldn't wear baggy pants. It showed him pulling about a dozen guns out of his pants including a pump shotgun. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj0B51vs8RI (I wish he would have demonstrated how he could walk and keep his pants from falling down.)