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Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009
To provide for the implementation of a system of licensing for purchasers of certain firearms and for a record of sale system for those firearms, and for other purposes.
current 111st session of congress
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Official: To provide for the implementation of a system of licensing for purchasers of certain firearms and for a record of sale system for those firearms, and for other purposes. as introduced.
Short: Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 as introduced.
1/6/2009--Introduced.
Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 - Amends the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act to prohibit a person from possessing a firearm unless that person has been issued a firearm license under this Act or a state system certified under this Act and such license has not been invalidated or revoked. Prescribes license application, issuance, and renewal requirements.
Prohibits transferring or receiving a qualifying firearm unless the recipient presents a valid firearms license, the license is verified, and the dealer records a tracking authorization number. Prescribes firearms transfer reporting and record keeping requirements. Directs the Attorney General to establish and maintain a federal record of sale system.
Prohibits:
(1) transferring a firearm to any person other than a licensee, unless the transfer is processed through a licensed dealer in accordance with national instant criminal background check system requirements, with exceptions;
(2) a licensed manufacturer or dealer from failing to comply with reporting and record keeping requirements of this Act;
(3) failing to report the loss or theft of the firearm to the Attorney General within 72 hours;
(4) failing to report to the Attorney General an address change within 60 days; or
(5) keeping a loaded firearm, or an unloaded firearm and ammunition for the firearm, knowingly or recklessly disregarding the risk that a child is capable of gaining access, if a child uses the firearm and causes death or serious bodily injury.
Prescribes criminal penalties for violations of firearms provisions covered by this Act.
Directs the Attorney General to:
(1) establish and maintain a firearm injury information clearinghouse;
(2) conduct continuing studies and investigations of firearm-related deaths and injuries; and
(3) collect and maintain current production and sales figures of each licensed manufacturer.
Authorizes the Attorney General to certify state firearm licensing or record of sale systems.
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Can someone formulate a Best Defence to HR 45?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but it is suppose to be used for the purchase/transfer of handguns and semiautomatic rifles with removable mags. Plus it would be a photo id and you finger prints need to be taken. I wonder how many hundreds of dollars they would charge someone to obtain it and how long it would be good for.
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http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45:
I believe you are correct!?! Except I read it to include all hand guns.
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I received this:
WEAPONS OF CHOICE
WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Big Brother's new target: Tracking of all firearms
'Nothing less than a declaration of war on American gun owners'
Posted: January 13, 2009
10:08 pm Eastern
By Drew Zahn
WorldNetDaily
Rep. Bobby Rush, D-Ill.
U.S. Rep. Bobby Rush, D-Ill., is hoping to pass a firearm-licensing bill that will significantly rewrite gun-ownership laws in America.
Among the more controversial provisions of the bill are requirements that all handgun owners submit to the federal government a photo, thumb print and mental heath records. Further, the bill would order the attorney general to establish a database of every handgun sale, transfer and owner's address in America.
The bill claims its purpose is "to protect the public against the unreasonable risk of injury and death associated with the unrecorded sale or transfer of firearms to criminals and youth."
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Columnist David Codrea of Guns Magazine, however, calls it a "ridiculous affront to liberty."
"This is nothing less than a declaration of war on American gun owners," Codrea writes on Gun Rights Examiner.
Rush's proposed bill, H.R. 45, is alternatively known as "Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009," named after an Illinois teenager killed by a gunshot.
According the bill's text, "On the afternoon of May 10, 2007, Blair Holt, a junior at Julian High School in Chicago, was killed on a public bus riding home from school when he used his body to shield a girl who was in the line of fire after a young man boarded the bus and started shooting."
The bill then argues that interstate firearm trafficking and children dying from gun violence create legitimate cause for the federal government to monitor gun ownership and transfers in new ways.
If passed, the bill would make it illegal to own or possess a "qualifying firearm" – defined as any handgun or any semiautomatic firearm that takes an ammunition clip – without a "Blair Holt" license.
To obtain a "Blair Holt" license, an application must be made that includes a photo, address, all previous aliases, thumb print, completion of a written firearm safety test, release of mental health records to the attorney general and a fee not to exceed $25.
Further, the bill makes it illegal to transfer ownership of a qualifying firearm to anyone who is not a licensed gun dealer or collector. Exceptions to this rule include transfer to family members by gift or bequest and loans, not to exceed 30 days, of a firearm for lawful purposes "between persons who are personally known to each other."
The bill also requires qualifying firearm owners to report all transfers to the attorney general's database. It would also be illegal for a licensed gun owner to fail to record a gun loss or theft within 72 hours or fail to report a change of address within 60 days.
And if a minor obtains a weapon and injures someone with it, the owner of the gun – if deemed to have failed to meet certain safety requirements – faces a multiple-year jail sentence.
H.R. 45 is a resurfacing of 2007's H.R. 2666, which contained much of the same language and was co-sponsored by 15 other representatives and Barack Obama's current chief of staff, Rahm Emmanuel. H.R. 2666 was assigned to the House Judiciary committee, where no action was taken.
H.R. 45 currently has no co-sponsors and is likewise assigned to the House Judiciary committee.
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As someone asked in a previous thread, does my wife automatically become a felon if I die and she inherits my estate (including my guns)?
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I certainly hope that the people who are reading this are NRA members instead of free men and women who have fish hooks in their pockets......
We cannot let someone else do this....we must support our 2nd Ammendment Sheepdog.
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I certainly hope that the people who are reading this are NRA members instead of free men and women who have fish hooks in their pockets......
We cannot let someone else do this....we must support our 2nd Ammendment Sheepdog.
Rastus, WE ARE THE SHEEPDOG. We must bury our legislators with e mails, letters and calls telling them to oppose this. If that fails we must replace them. If this farce goes into effect we must defy it or quit calling ourselves Americans.
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Rastus, WE ARE THE SHEEPDOG. We must bury our legislators with e mails, letters and calls telling them to oppose this. If that fails we must replace them. If this farce goes into effect we must defy it or quit calling ourselves Americans.
Hear, hear. I am afraid we will have to help lead our brethren to the light one step at a time....and that may take too much time.
Won't be too long, in my perception, before America ceases to be America and becomes Amerika. If one tends to disagree, please see results of the last election, the nose rings and tats and black hair on our aimless youth, crime stats, illegal influx, government's disregard for law that does not suit government, etc.
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E mail sent to my Rep. The lousy dem Shea Porter.
Please oppose the ridiculous "Blair / Holt legislation.
This is nothing more than a thinly disguised opening salvo in an attack on the entire bill of rights.
Thank you.
Thomas C. Bogan
Laconia NH
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Following are links to bill H.R. 45, Blair Holt’s Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009." and an example letter you can use for writing your senators and congressman. H.R. 45 is summarized as: To provide for the implementation of a system of licensing for purchasers of certain firearms and for a record of sale system for those firearms,and for other purposes. Be sure to read the bill as you'll find it covers very common guns owned by all of us. H.R. 45 http://www.ksraweb.com/downloads/HR45_2009_AntiGun_Bill.pdf Example Letter: http://www.ksraweb.com/downloads/HR45_Example_Letter.doc
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E) any other subjects, as the Attorney General determines to be appropriate; ,.... quote from HR 45.
And what an AG we have now!!!
Licensing will take 1 year I'm sure. This will not pass in this form, but may in another.
Testing the water;;;,, this is only the beginning.
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There was mention made of it in another thread, I've already contacted my congresswoman (D ) :(
My Senator is not online yet ( another D :( ) and the states other Senator an R.
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This bill is a killer. Everyone is going to have to stand against it!!
DAve ???
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The sad truth with all the B.S. gun law concepts is that statistically gun crimes in the last decade are going down. There is a small increase in 2005, but the problem is that the media focuses their attention on anything gun related negatively and if memory serves there has been a 400% increase in gun crime reporting. They seem to be purposely comparing gun crimes with legal gun ownership. Even "military style" weapons that are stolen are used so infrequently in crimes that the percentage is in the single digits. The real truth is the guns criminals are using are old .38s in the like that have been floating around for decades, they are rarely buying new ones and they won't be registering them or transferring them properly at the local gun store.
Bureau of justice statistics available at http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/gvc.htm#guns
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Letter from my congress person Shea-Porter (D :( )
February 5, 2009
Dear Mr. Bogan:
Thank you for contacting my office and expressing your concerns about the Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record Sale Act of 2009 (H.R. 45).
This legislation was introduced by Congressman Bobby Rush on January 6, 2009. It has been referred to the House Judiciary Committee for further review. I will continue to keep your concerns in mind as this legislation is considered.
As you know, the Supreme Court recently affirmed that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to bear arms rather than a collective right. As such, any restriction on individual gun rights is subjected to strict scrutiny. I support the Second Amendment and support an individual right to bear arms. I also support necessary and limited restrictions on this right, consistent with the Supreme Court's interpretation of the Second Amendment, where necessary to protect public safety. I will keep your thoughts in mind as Congress debates this important issue.
Thank you again for contacting my office. It is a privilege to serve you in Washington.
Sincerely,
Carol Shea-Porter
Member of Congress
My reply
Ms. Shea-Porter,
Allow me to point out that the 2nd Amendment is the only Article in the
Bill of Rights which requires individual approval by the FBI. With that in
mind, just what do you consider "limited" restrictions ? Your claim to be
concerned for "safety" is specious to say the least. In order to make Teen
age drivers "safer" we introduced "Drivers Ed" programs in schools, in
order to keep teens safe from pregnancy and STD's we introduced "Sex Ed"
in schools, if safety were truly your objective you would be pushing for
fire arms safety training in schools. If by "safety", you are referring to
crime, your "necessary restrictions" still fails to impress. If you are
concerned with crime you might take note of the fact that the 20,000 anti
2nd Amendment laws already on the books have been a waste of paper. The
reason ? Criminals don't obey them, it's in their job description as "Law
breakers". Murder, Rape, Robbery, and assault are already illegal, guns
are simply a tool used less than half the time to commit these crimes. If
you are truly concerned with crime, why don't you target violent offenders
and the Judges who's light sentencing allows them to re offend instead of
harassing FBI certified law abiding citizens, who are the only ones who
will pay any attention to your misguided infringements of a Right the
Constitution, (which you have sworn to uphold) states "Shall not be
infringed". Thomas C. Bogan Laconia NH
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Tom, way to go. If she sends back another reply, PLEASE post..
"SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" >:( Do they just forget that part >:(
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It is hopeful that more people will follow tombogans lead to write, call, fax your reps. Concerning this Bill. It needs to be stopped once again before it has a chance to gain momentum.
The resident terrorist on the "HILL" Rom Emanual was one that helped write this and introduce it yrs ago, now Communistman Bobby Rush (D-Il) is trying to perform CPR on this. Here's a brief history of Communistman Bobby Rush, he was arrested yrs. ago after going AWOL from the U.S. Army, he was a founding member of the Il. black panthers and then he moved up to communistman for Il.. and helping to bring socialism to America along side with Pelosi, Clinton & other "O"no sheep.
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I just wrote my Rep., Wexler (Dem., FL Dist 19) again on this. He's on the House committee which is looking at this. But with his record on this subject it will most likely be ignored.
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Tom, way to go. If she sends back another reply, PLEASE post..
"SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" >:( Do they just forget that part >:(
No, but they hope WE will. >:(
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Tom, way to go. If she sends back another reply, PLEASE post..
"SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" >:( Do they just forget that part >:(
Got this today;
February 6, 2009
Dear Mr. Bogan:
Thank you for writing my office and sharing your thoughts with me regarding the Second Amendment.
As you know, the Supreme Court recently affirmed that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to bear arms rather than a collective right. As such, any restriction on individual gun rights is subjected to strict scrutiny. I support the Second Amendment and support an individual right to bear arms. I also support necessary and limited restrictions on this right, consistent with the Supreme Court's interpretation of the Second Amendment, where necessary to protect public safety. I will keep your thoughts in mind as Congress debates this important issue.
To learn more about current legislation or about my voting record, I invite you to visit the Library of Congress legislative information website (www.thomas.gov). There, you can find the full text of a bill or a summary, who introduced it and when, who is cosponsoring it, and where it is in the legislative process. I also invite you to visit my website (http://shea-porter.house.gov) for more information about bills that I have introduced or cosponsored, and for issue updates, position statements, or to sign up for my email newsletter.
Thank you again for contacting my office. It is a privilege to serve you in Washington.
Sincerely,
Carol Shea-Porter
Member of Congress
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Another Look at HR 45: …This nefarious bill seeks to strip us all of our Constitutional Rights to possess and bear firearms of any distinction. It requires, within the first two years, that all new guns be registered. The bill goes retroactive after two years. Meaning that two years after the passage of the bill, ALL FIREARMS in a citizen’s possession must be registered, not just those purchased after the bill passes, and this apparently applies to antique firearms as well. Every five years the firearm owner must go through a complete renewal process for each weapon owned. Failure to comply carries stiff penalties including confiscation of the firearms and jail time (penalties as high as ten years imprisonment in some cases). The bill also authorizes government searches without warrant, the creation of a federal bureaucracy to monitor firearm possession, etc…
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/02/more_gun_control_introduced_in.html
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Another Look at HR 45: …This nefarious bill seeks to strip us all of our Constitutional Rights to possess and bear firearms of any distinction. It requires, within the first two years, that all new guns be registered. The bill goes retroactive after two years. Meaning that two years after the passage of the bill, ALL FIREARMS in a citizen’s possession must be registered, not just those purchased after the bill passes, and this apparently applies to antique firearms as well. Every five years the firearm owner must go through a complete renewal process for each weapon owned. Failure to comply carries stiff penalties including confiscation of the firearms and jail time (penalties as high as ten years imprisonment in some cases). The bill also authorizes government searches without warrant, the creation of a federal bureaucracy to monitor firearm possession, etc…
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/02/more_gun_control_introduced_in.html
There is the scary part.... the rest is just hoops for jumping through
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FROM OHIOANS FOR CONCEALED CARRY WEBSITE....
This all started because a 16 year old from Chicago, was shot and killed. Mother scorned, her son a martryed hero...
Have you got this in your scope?
Very Important for you to be aware of a new bill HR 45 introduced into the House.
This is the Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sale Act of 2009.
We just learned yesterday about this on the Peter Boyles radio program.
Even gun shop owners didn't know about this because it is flying under the radar.
To find out about this - go to any government website and type in HR 45 or Google HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales
Act of 2009. You will get all the information.
Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle with a clip or ANY pistol unless:
•It is registered
•You are fingerprinted
•You supply a current Driver's License
•You supply your Social Security #
•You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing
•Each update - change or ownership through private or public sale must be reported and costs $25 - Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail.
•There is a child provision clause on page 16 section 305 stating a child-access provision. Gun must be locked and inaccessible to any child under 18.
They would have the right to come and inspect that you are storing your gun safely away from accessibility to children and fine is
punishable for up to 5 yrs. in prison.
If you think this is a joke - go to the website and take your pick of many options to read this. It is long and lengthy. But, more and
more people are becoming aware of this. Pass the word along. Any hunters in your family - pass this along.
Peter Boyles is on this and having guests. Listen to him on KHOW 630 a.m. in the morning. He suggests the best way to fight this is to tell all your friends about it and "spring into action". Also he suggests we all join a pro-gun group like the Colorado Rifle
Association, hunting associations, gun clubs and especially the NRA.
This is just a "termite" approach to complete confiscation of guns and disarming of our society to the point we have no defense - chip away a little here and there until the goal is accomplished before anyone realizes it.
Marshal'ette, your pretty up to date on things....Can you dissect this one for us? Thanks
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This has been going around for a month now, There is another thread about it and several people have e mailed it to me, ( not from the Ohio site) But yes it is real.
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http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=4906.0
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This has been going around for a month now, There is another thread about it and several people have e mailed it to me, ( not from the Ohio site) But yes it is real.
Ok, this is the first I've seen of it. I even went to a couple of gun shows, and never heard anything about it? The NRA's on top of this I hope? This is not good. I've seen this before....Mothers Against Drunk Drivers ring a bell? Thanks for the info. Tom
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http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=4906.0
Thanks Marshall, appreciate it!
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Thanx Marshal, I was posting and Chatting at the same time ;D
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Thanx Marshal, I was posting and Chatting at the same time ;D
Sorta like chewing the fat and spitting at the same time Tom? Lol!!!
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Carrying on two conversations and posting at the same time on the same key board. :o
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Carrying on two conversations and posting at the same time on the same key board. :o
Been there, done that, for sure. Good to see you on here tonight.
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Carrying on two conversations and posting at the same time on the same key board. :o
Just glad you can keep them straight. Don't wanna see any posts that say "so...what're you wearing?" ::) ;D
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Just glad you can keep them straight. Don't wanna see any posts that say "so...what're you wearing?" ::) ;D
Who says I kept them straight ? Fortunately I was in the DRTV chat room, so any goofs that got through to here would not have been TO shocking ;D
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More on this from NRA-ILA:
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=4329
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I thought Jim Shepard or was it Tom Gresham said this bill was going nowhere...essentially dead.
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I thought Jim Shepard or was it Tom Gresham said this bill was going nowhere...essentially dead.
I heard Tom Gresham discussing that on his 03-08 podcast. He said it had no co sponsors and was not going anywhere.