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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: sanjuancb on February 04, 2009, 03:00:27 PM
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I've never had any experience with AR-15 type pistols, so my question is: what method to you employ to fire the gun? Do you hold it like an standard handgun, or shoulder the buffer tube like a rifle? They look awesome, but I am uncertain as to whether they are fish or fowl...
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Saw pics of the Sig 556 pistol at SHOT, and found this, can't be to different for a standard AR with pistol grips.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fsw-1rBbSc8&feature=related
Recoil doesn't seem to be an issue.
Get one quick if you can.
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I can't. However, if I could, I would most definitely buy a rifle instead. That looks extremely awkward and/or unpractical...
I mean really, what is the purpose? Why not go with something like an MP5 instead? A carbine?
I'm not knocking it, I just don't understand it.
There is no stock to put your cheek on, or even a sort of "anchor point"; it also won't balance like a traditional handgun...I dunno!
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They're for people who want a semi-auto pistol in a rifle caliber. That's the closest thing I can get to a SBR. I want a Carbon-15 pistol.
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They're for people who want a semi-auto pistol in a rifle caliber. That's the closest thing I can get to a SBR. I want a Carbon-15 pistol.
I suppose you are right, there is a niche for everything...
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According to today's Podcast MB says most of them have reliability issues.
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Damn! I wish I could think of a super practical reason for an AR pistol...sadly, it's down to the "I want it and it's cool" reasoning. I sorta agree with Suarez that a stock (and a suppressor) makes a 9mm AR pistol a pretty nifty home defense tool. Of course, that's $400 more dollars in nifty tax stamps.
I suppose I could concoct something about "entrenched defenders..."
Michael B
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No need to justify, I was just curious. I've you've got the money and desire, go for it! I was just curious...I'd like to have a .45/70 BFR, but I sure as heck don't need it...
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I've had this one about 4 years, and a couple thousand rounds now, and it runs very well with no stoppages. It's actually my wife's. It's the one she's holding in my avatar. It's a Bushmaster Carbon 15 21S. I mounted an E-O Tech Holographic Sight on it for her. Not much is safe out to around 100 yards. It is really a spectacle at night. With Federal XM-193 Ball Ammo it kicks out a volleyball size fireball out of the muzzle. Almost zero recoil but the thing sure is LOUD! Bill T.
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I never really wanted one...until I saw the SIG 556 pistol on American Guardian this week. Thigh holster....I'm thinking thigh holster and a YHM flash suppressor that mates with the M4-2000 that's locked away.
Does anyone know if the Sig Classic or pistol has been pushed to distributors and dealers yet?
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So my question is, what is to stop you from putting a Magpul stock on it and then you have a carrbine exactly like the ones that we used in the military...one with a really short barrel.
Not that I would condone such a thing.
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Ten years in the Federal slam and $10,000 fine; conviction on a Federal felony, meaning you can never own guns again.
Yes. it is AMAZINGLY stupid...furthermore, if you put a Crimson Trace vertical handgrip on one of the rails, instant Any Other Weapon status, and you're in the same trick bag with the G.
The 1934 Firearms Act was designed to give the hordes of "revenue agents," suddenly unemployed by the repeal of Prohibition, something to do. The Act was drafted to focus on non-consequential arbitrary trivia (barrel length, overall length, issues like you cite) designed to capture the most number of innocent gunowners in a Federal crime. Suppressors were added at the last minute to "discourage" poaching.
Under my understanding of the law, you cannot legally own even parts that could be assembled into a controlled firearm. For example, you could not possess a CT LaserGrip or a MagPul stock if the only AR you had was the pistol.
Michael B
The penalties are WILDLY out of proportion to the "crime," which is basically failure to pay a $200 or $5 tax.
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Ten years in the Federal slam and $10,000 fine; conviction on a Federal felony, meaning you can never own guns again. Michael B The penalties are WILDLY out of proportion to the "crime," which is basically failure to pay a $200 or $5 tax.
+1. Being defiant to BATF laws ranks right up there with getting smart with an IRS agent during an audit. They have the total power to literally disassemble your entire life with the stroke of a pen. Also, under the current administration, I'm quite sure Federal firearm law violators will be prosecuted with quite a bit more zeal than they were under Bush. That's my opinion anyway. I don't trust Hussein any further than I can toss a Grand Piano with two broken arms. Bill T.
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"The Act was drafted to focus on non-consequential arbitrary trivia (barrel length, overall length, issues like you cite) designed to capture the most number of innocent gunowners in a Federal crime."
Oh, just like the Clinton AWB.
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Ten years in the Federal slam and $10,000 fine; conviction on a Federal felony, meaning you can never own guns again.
I was not proposing that one could or should do it. But it looks as though it could be easily converted to a very short rifle and I was curious if there was something physically that prevented the change.
I am not in support of breaking any law, I am in favor of changing the laws I don't agree with.
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I was not proposing that one could or should do it. But it looks as though it could be easily converted to a very short rifle and I was curious if there was something physically that prevented the change.
I am not in support of breaking any law, I am in favor of changing the laws I don't agree with.
http://milliongunownermarch.com/
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http://milliongunownermarch.com/
Are we bringing our guns to the march? That would be funny! A group of armed citizens larger than the US Army...Sure would put it in perspective for Capitol Hill.
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Are we bringing our guns to the march? That would be funny! A group of armed citizens larger than the US Army...Sure would put it in perspective for Capitol Hill.
Not to DC because of the gun laws, The threat will have to be contained in the NUMBERS. But satalite marches are also being planned for state capitals, so carry as appropriate.
Check out the forum, Most questions are answered , or at least being debated.
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Not to DC because of the gun laws, The threat will have to be contained in the NUMBERS. But satalite marches are also being planned for state capitals, so carry as appropriate.
Check out the forum, Most questions are answered , or at least being debated.
I learned one thing from WTO in Seattle...when the numbers are ten times greater than the police you don't get arrested. If it was 10000 times they would think twice.
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I learned one thing from WTO in Seattle...when the numbers are ten times greater than the police you don't get arrested. If it was 10000 times they would think twice.
You really have to check your state laws on carrying while attending large gatherings, I will have to doulble check, but I think it is a no-no in NC. Just thought I would point this out.
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In Florida, carrying at a large, single event or gathering such as a football game or public gathering/protest in a big no-no.
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Guys, just going on a hunch here, but if 1 million people showed up with guns...what do you think DC or Congress would do? Issue citations? Arrest everyone? Put them all in Jail?
They know that if it happened and they prosecuted anyone it would immediately be challenged as a 2nd Ammendment violation.
I know, it is a little fantasy in my head, but I think 1 milliion gun owners showing up at the National Mall to show that we don't care for the idea of loosing our rights, would be pretty damn impressive.
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Guys, just going on a hunch here, but if 1 million people showed up with guns...what do you think DC or Congress would do? Issue citations? Arrest everyone? Put them all in Jail?
They know that if it happened and they prosecuted anyone it would immediately be challenged as a 2nd Ammendment violation.
I know, it is a little fantasy in my head, but I think 1 milliion gun owners showing up at the National Mall to show that we don't care for the idea of loosing our rights, would be pretty damn impressive.
No, but I think afterwards, they would pass some law to prevent it from happening again. Call out the troops too, maybe? You know the media would label everyone a gun-nut and go on and on about bringing weapons to a peaceful demonstration.
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Guys, just going on a hunch here, but if 1 million people showed up with guns...what do you think DC or Congress would do? Issue citations? Arrest everyone? Put them all in Jail?
They know that if it happened and they prosecuted anyone it would immediately be challenged as a 2nd Ammendment violation.
I know, it is a little fantasy in my head, but I think 1 milliion gun owners showing up at the National Mall to show that we don't care for the idea of loosing our rights, would be pretty damn impressive.
No one is planning on bringing guns to DC ??? Didn't you read the posts on their forum ? Or all of my post ? Current laws will be PROTESTED, not violated.
As to what Congress would do, I suspect they would crap their pants and hide under their desks ;D
No, but I think afterwards, they would pass some law to prevent it from happening again. Call out the troops too, maybe? You know the media would label everyone a gun-nut and go on and on about bringing weapons to a peaceful demonstration.
As for the media labeling us "gun nuts", this sort of demonization is one of the things we will be protesting. It's a "Hate crime to talk that way about any other group in America, why do we allow ourselves to be discriminated against in ways that are not exceptable with other groups ?
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I don't think we should do it, I think it would be funny if we did do it. I am not for breaking the law or violence, I am for protesting the law. And I am sick of the President's smug attitude of "We won the White House and Congress" Because he lost by 49%.
Remember Hoverville is what started to turn the tide against Hoover...now imagine Obamaville. ;D
http://videos.howstuffworks.com/hsw/25525-the-great-depression-veterans-march-on-washington-video.htm
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No one is planning on bringing guns to DC ??? Didn't you read the posts on their forum ? Or all of my post ? Current laws will be PROTESTED, not violated.
As to what Congress would do, I suspect they would crap their pants and hide under their desks ;D
As for the media labeling us "gun nuts", this sort of demonization is one of the things we will be protesting. It's a "Hate crime to talk that way about any other group in America, why do we allow ourselves to be discriminated against in ways that are not exceptable with other groups ?
I don't think anyone here would seriously break the law, especially when it comes to firearms and our rights concerning them, I think the thread just got off topic because of some questions by someone. I read the website and have signed up for the newsletter, I may not be able to go to DC, but if there is a march in my state capital, I will be there to give what support I can. Personally, I think going armed to any of these events would just play into the anti-gunners hype and spin. It wouldn't do us any good.
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We are headed for economic ruin with this idiot. A government economy is no different than a business or personal economy. When you get into trouble you don't "fix" it by spending more money you don't have. This is precisely what this clown proposes to do, AND FAST! Just try to imagine you get laid off at work and come home to tell your wife the bad news and she replies:
"Don't worry, everything will be just fine! Tomorrow we'll head out early to Best Buy and get that 52" Plasma we've been putting off. After that we'll trade the car in, then head over to Ethan Allen for that new living room set of furniture we've been eyeballing. If we do everything right, AND FAST, we should be able to get rid of $50 Grand by noon. We'll be in great shape by dinner time, and "create jobs" for Panasonic, Ford, and the furniture industry in the process!" ::)
Multiply everything by a few hundred BILLION, and you've got Hussein's "solution". Buy guns, ammo, and Gold! You're going to need all three. Bill T.
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I would love to buy more guns and ammo, only problem is I have no gold. Can you give me a bailout? ;D
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Are we bringing our guns to the march? That would be funny! A group of armed citizens larger than the US Army...Sure would put it in perspective for Capitol Hill.
Wouldn't that be a shock for them....more people than in the Army, with guns, and peaceful non-violent protest.
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Wouldn't that be a shock for them....more people than in the Army, with guns, and peaceful non-violent protest.
I don't think liberals know what a peaceful non-violent protest is. Those buffoons think that throwing rocks through the window of a small business is the way to protest cutting down the rain forest in Brazil to make paper hats for the French navy.