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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: 2HOW on February 05, 2009, 11:28:28 AM
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Can you imagine any state in today's economic turmoil putting the federal government on notice? Well, that is exactly what New Hampshire has done and all other states should follow their example. With their House Concurrent Resolution they've spelled out exactly what violations will no longer be tolerated. More over the resolution doesn't stop at a mere legislative warning but carries it to the executive and judicial realms as well. Listen to the language from the resolution; hear it echo in your mind.
http://transsylvaniaphoenix.blogspot.com/2009/02/new-hampshire-reclaims-state-supremacy.html
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I just checked and the status of this bill is still listed as "in committee". Hearing was scheduled for 1 PM today, so it may not be over yet.
I'll post further info in the "NH ready to succeed" Thread as it becomes available.
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I've never been one for Yankees, but them New Hampshire folks might just be alright...maybe. Us Texans ought to seek the same set up in here. God save the Republic of Texas.
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As I posted on the other thread about this, I don't KNOW, but your state Constitution may have been rewritten after the Civil War to prevent this sort of legislation. In NH we still have a Revolutionary war era Article 10, Right to resist tyranny.
Check your State Constitution, then if it doesn't contain any prohibitions on Dissolution's of the "Union", You can pass the resolution on to your lawmakers .
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Sec. 1. FREEDOM AND SOVEREIGNTY OF STATE. Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States, and the maintenance of our free institutions and the perpetuity of the Union depend upon the preservation of the right of local self-government, unimpaired to all the States.
Sec. 2. INHERENT POLITICAL POWER; REPUBLICAN FORM OF GOVERNMENT. All political power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit. The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient.
These are the first two sections of the Texas Bill of rights.
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Sec. 1. FREEDOM AND SOVEREIGNTY OF STATE. Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States, and the maintenance of our free institutions and the perpetuity of the Union depend upon the preservation of the right of local self-government, unimpaired to all the States.
Sec. 2. INHERENT POLITICAL POWER; REPUBLICAN FORM OF GOVERNMENT. All political power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit. The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient.
These are the first two sections of the Texas Bill of rights.
I just PMed you the text of the bill. Looks like you should have as much (maybe more ) luck as us.
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I have just contacted the Governor's office and my federal representatives to suggest such a bill in Texas. Next time I meet the Governor I recommend this action in person. If your state loves freedom you need to do this too, unless you want Chicago politics controlling your state.
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this could possibly lead to the civil war rumors we've been hearing about on alternative net radio like alex jones/rense/cliff high-webbots et al etc. **even the john titor netlore mentioned this back in 2001
In case you didn't hear about it on the mainstream media (which you haven't because they want to keep us asleep), numerous states are currently declaring sovereignty, including:
Washington
[link to apps.leg.wa.gov]
New Hampshire
[link to www.gencourt.state.nh.us]
Arizona
[link to www.azleg.gov]
Montana
[link to data.opi.mt.gov]
Michigan
[link to www.legislature.mi.gov]
Missouri
[link to www.house.mo.gov]
Oklahoma
[link to axiomamuse.wordpress.com]
Hawaii
[link to www.hawaii-nation.org]
thanks to jackdog at TGO
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this could possibly lead to the civil war rumors we've been hearing about
Ironic if it were to happen while BHO was President ----- >First black President who thinks he is Lincoln incarnated..... Ironic!
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" his could possibly lead to the civil war rumors we've been hearing about on alternative net radio "
This time we HAVE GOT to make sure the issue remains States rights, Personal freedom and keeping the Federal Govt. in line. We can not allow people to be sidetracked by a symptomatic issue as they were in 1860-1865.
The issue is not JUST guns, not JUST the $900 Billion rip off they are calling the stimulus package. The issue is the bloated Federal Govt. trampling the Constitution, ignoring the 10th Amendment and other limitations and interfereing in every aspect of a law abiding citizens life in direct contradiction of every ideal of the founding fathers of this nation.
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I don't want to sound like a crazy, to you guys I probably don't, but I feel that this is the most corrupt government ever. And he's only been in office for a couple weeks, this stimulus package is insane, spending a trillion dollars is going to fix this economy? Its never worked and it won't work now. Hell, if you did nothing our economy would pull itself out of a recession. Did you hear this man's rant last night, the true Obama is an angry, power hungry, charlatan. I don't listen to the alternate news radios nor do I subscribe to any commentator's opinions, I look at whats happening and form my own opinions.
He will try to strip the state's of their power and independence to put every decision in his hands. He's screaming at our elected representatives for listening to their people, the people that elected them.
Personally I would support, and again I'm not a conspiracy theorist or anything like that, a civilian militia based out of their home states, to protect themselves if they ever did need to enforce their sovereignty. I would set it up like the militia acts of the 1700's and separate those organizations for any federal, state, or local governments so they could not be corrupted.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO TURN THIS FORUM INTO THAT TYPE OF TALK, I'm just expressing my view.
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Dont forget that the Bush led GOP spent 700 billion just recently too
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And 70 billion of that was over paid and got lost in the paper work and incompetence of D.C.
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You paranoid wacko's are missing something, I was arguing with Runstowin during the campaign about his 2 parties one purpose comments, But I was partly wrong, if there actually were 2 parties I would have been completely wrong but we have only Dum and DumR. Once they get elected they think they have become some kind of elite, better than the little people. They are right to, we must be stupid, we voted for "them" didn't we?
Who are we pee ons to question the great ones , they are the "Lords of the Manor and we are the sheep to be fleeced. :(
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NH said something about ignoring Executive Orders that had no constitutional backing. I wonder....would this, if passed in NH, include the Executive Order signed by Ronald Reagan that froze the number of MG's in public hands? I wonder if that had a constitutional basis by their definition on this in-progress document in NH.
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I asked on the Free state project forum, I'll let you know what I hear.
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I don't want to sound like a crazy, to you guys I probably don't, but I feel that this is the most corrupt government ever. And he's only been in office for a couple weeks, this stimulus package is insane, spending a trillion dollars is going to fix this economy? Its never worked and it won't work now. Hell, if you did nothing our economy would pull itself out of a recession. Did you hear this man's rant last night, the true Obama is an angry, power hungry, charlatan. I don't listen to the alternate news radios nor do I subscribe to any commentator's opinions, I look at whats happening and form my own opinions.
He will try to strip the state's of their power and independence to put every decision in his hands. He's screaming at our elected representatives for listening to their people, the people that elected them.
Personally I would support, and again I'm not a conspiracy theorist or anything like that, a civilian militia based out of their home states, to protect themselves if they ever did need to enforce their sovereignty. I would set it up like the militia acts of the 1700's and separate those organizations for any federal, state, or local governments so they could not be corrupted.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO TURN THIS FORUM INTO THAT TYPE OF TALK, I'm just expressing my view.
I found out about the North Carolina Citizens Militia at the local gunshow and from looking at the website, it looks pretty solid.
For anyone living in NC - www.ncmilitia.org
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NH said something about ignoring Executive Orders that had no constitutional backing. I wonder....would this, if passed in NH, include the Executive Order signed by Ronald Reagan that froze the number of MG's in public hands? I wonder if that had a constitutional basis by their definition on this in-progress document in NH.
I asked on the Free state project forum, I'll let you know what I hear.
Only answer I've gotten so far is "Probably".
From reading their Forum I'm not impressed, this "free state project" seems to be composed of dopers and uber liberals who have no concept of the Constitution. Bunch of meatheads looking for anarchy. More a part of the problem than part of the cure. The only good thing I will say about them is they ARE pro 2A.
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Here is the full and growing list of states who are declaring sovereignty. Washington, New Hampshire, Arizona, Montana, Michigan, Missouri, Oklahoma, California, and Georgia have all introduced bills and resolutions declaring sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment. Colorado, Hawaii, Pennsylvania, Arkansas, Idaho, Indiana, Alaska, Kansas, Alabama, Nevada, Maine, and Illinois are considering such measures.
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Here is the full and growing list of states who are declaring sovereignty. Washington, New Hampshire, Arizona, Montana, Michigan, Missouri, Oklahoma, California, and Georgia have all introduced bills and resolutions declaring sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment. Colorado, Hawaii, Pennsylvania, Arkansas, Idaho, Indiana, Alaska, Kansas, Alabama, Nevada, Maine, and Illinois are considering such measures.
So here's another youngen question. Has there been ever been such a push for state sovereignty in the past, say, fifty years?
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So here's another youngen question. Has there been ever been such a push for state sovereignty in the past, say, fifty years?
No. ;D
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No. ;D
Well then I guess it's time to start pushing alittle harder to influence my district reps. ;D
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I just found this thread and had to check my state constitution. Section 4 of Kentucky State Constitution says: All power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority and instituted for their peace, safety, happiness, and the protection of property. For the advancement of these ends, they have at all times an inalienable and indefeasible right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such a manner as they may seem proper.
Man I love my state! I didn't see Kentucky listed among the states already taking action, but its nice to know we can. I just need to do my part and start writing to my reps.
Swoop
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Here's an article written by the good folks at JPFO regarding State Sovereignty.
http://www.jpfo.org/articles-assd/states-stand-firm.htm
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This from the Missouri constitution, I am still looking for the recent sovereignty bill
Missouri Constitution
Article I
BILL OF RIGHTS
Section 4
August 28, 2008
Independence of Missouri--submission of certain amendments to Constitution of the United States.
Section 4. That Missouri is a free and independent state, subject only to the Constitution of the United States; that all proposed amendments to the Constitution of the United States qualifying or affecting the individual liberties of the people or which in any wise may impair the right of local self-government belonging to the people of this state, should be submitted to conventions of the people.
Source: Const. of 1875, Art. II, ยง 3.
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Charlie,
The Mo. State Sovereignty Bill was originally brought forward as HR 212, but was recently merged with HR 294
Here's the link to the merged House Resolution http://tinyurl.com/MO-HR-294
I'd recommend you contact your Representatives to let them know you support passage of this Bill.
Jim
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The Mo. State Sovereignty Bill was originally brought forward as HR 212, but was recently merged with HR 294
Here's the link to the merged House Resolution http://tinyurl.com/MO-HR-294
I'd recommend you contact your Representatives to let them know you support passage of this Bill.
Jim
I found this link. Unfortunately the wording of the present bill strictly addresses the issue of abortion, with little or nothing concerning true state sovereignty. I will be contacting my state rep and state senator.
Thnaks