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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: alfsauve on February 06, 2009, 08:49:09 AM
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The Brady Bunch has release their 2008 report ranking the states by gun control. Not surprisingly California rank #1. They didn't rate DC but I suspect it would have rated higher than California so I added them as a zero ranking*.
http://www.stategunlaws.org/xshare/pdf/scorecard/2008/2008_scorecard_rankings.pdf (http://www.stategunlaws.org/xshare/pdf/scorecard/2008/2008_scorecard_rankings.pdf)
What does this mean?
NOTHING
If you plot the gun control ranking verses the violent crime ranking there is NO correlation. The plots are all over the place which indicates that gun control has no effect on crime. There are other reasons for the crime rates than the availability of guns. The trend line is almost flat. (I'll provide a graph later.)
Here's the comparison of Brady Gun Control ranking for 2008 (low number means high gun control), and the FBI Uniform Crime Report ranking for Violent Crime Rate 2007 (latest numbers available) (low number mean high in crime). (Duplicate numbers means a tie)
0* District of Columbia 1
1 CALIFORNIA 14
2 NEW JERSEY 30
3 CONNECTICUT 42
3 MASSACHUSETTS 23
5 MARYLAND 10
6 NEW YORK 25
7 RHODE ISLAND 46
8 HAWAII 40
9 ILLINOIS 12
10 PENNSYLVANIA 24
11 DELAWARE 7
11 MICHIGAN 11
13 NORTH CAROLINA 20
14 OREGON 37
14 VIRGINIA 41
14 WASHINGTON 29
17 COLORADO 26
17 IOWA 33
19 ALABAMA 22
20 OHIO 27
21 MAINE 51
21 WISCONSIN 35
23 MINNESOTA 36
23 NEVADA 4
23 NEW HAMPSHIRE 49
24 NEBRASKA 31
27 SOUTH CAROLINA 2
27 TEXAS 15
27 VERMONT 50
27 WYOMING 44
31 INDIANA 28
31 MONTANA 38
33 GEORGIA 18
33 KANSAS 21
33 TENNESSEE 3
36 ARIZONA 19
36 ARKANSAS 13
36 FLORIDA 6
36 IDAHO 42
36 NEW MEXICO 8
36 SOUTH DAKOTA 47
42 MISSISSIPPI 34
43 ALASKA 9
43 MISSOURI 16
43 NORTH DAKOTA 48
43 UTAH 45
43 WEST VIRGINIA 39
48 KENTUCKY 32
48 LOUISIANA 5
48 OKLAHOMA 17
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"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." Benjamin Disraeli
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Ah yea ... Minnesota is just on the good side of middle of the road. Just like everything else ... except taxes :(
At least we're a little better than tt ... I mean Iowa ;)
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I don't understand how they could rank NH at tied at 23, the only states with better gun laws are Vt. and Alaska.
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Ah yea ... Minnesota is just on the good side of middle of the road. Just like everything else ... except taxes :(
At least we're a little better than tt ... I mean Iowa ;)
I'm feelin the love. lol
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I don't understand how they could rank NH at tied at 23, the only states with better gun laws are Vt. and Alaska.
You'll have to go read their criteria. See:
http://www.stategunlaws.org (http://www.stategunlaws.org)
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Isn't it interesting that 2 of the States with the most lax gun laws also have the lowest crime rates, (NH 49 - Vt 50 ) They are also the ones with the lowest % of ethnic minorities.
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You'll have to go read their criteria. See:
http://www.stategunlaws.org (http://www.stategunlaws.org)
This is from a page on there web site titled Major School Shootings since 1997
They list 9 events
3 were plots (no shots fired)
3 were drive by shooting after school was out
2 were at universities
1 was an accident with a blank gun for a play
only 1 was a child killed by another student
talk about making up stats
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Okay here is a graph of the data. Granted. The Brady Gun Control Ranking is from 2008 and the Crime Rate Ranking is from 2007, but not a lot changed. What it shows is there is no coorelation. NOTE: This only compares Brady's definition of good gun control versus violent crime rate. IT DOES NOT compare the impact of gun ownership.
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh20/alfsauve/Slide1.jpg)
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You'll have to go read their criteria. See:
http://www.stategunlaws.org (http://www.stategunlaws.org)
Yeah its all based on their very subjective opinions
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Isn't it interesting that 2 of the States with the most lax gun laws also have the lowest crime rates, (NH 49 - Vt 50 ) They are also the ones with the lowest % of ethnic minorities.
My state is #2 on the list (South Carolina). There is a LOT of drugs and minorities in the state, and the violence is isolated to certain counties where (surprise) those two are the most prevalent.... it also boils down to the fact that their are many incompetent sheriffs here in this state.... You can see it on their faces when they do news interviews.... they are overwhelmed and have no clue what to do to fix the problems with violent crime.
*Reason #1 why I carry a gun
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I'll take a score of 7 out of 100 for Georgia........hope we're pissing them (Brady's) off really good.
We still have a lot of fighting to do.
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I remember reading that some time ago... something like half of the "laws" they stated about CA were flat out lies, and about a quarter were half truths. They are doing better... 5 years ago it would have been 100% flat out lies.
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(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh20/alfsauve/Slide1.jpg)
I came up with a very similar graph when I plotted out the numbers:
(http://pro.corbis.com/images/42-15264303.jpg?size=67&uid={F9C4E1BE-EBE2-4C33-8C16-A4F7444564EE})
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I came up with a very similar graph when I plotted out the numbers:
(http://pro.corbis.com/images/42-15264303.jpg?size=67&uid={F9C4E1BE-EBE2-4C33-8C16-A4F7444564EE})
Looks like you need to learn some "gun contol" ;)
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I don't get the graph. It says "by state," but doesn't have any states listed. Regardless, you can imagine the pride I'm feeling about my state being on the top of Brady's list! Obviously, gun control isn't working in California.
Recently, the Orange County Register published a report that said that violent crime numbers were down in all, but 2 cities in our county. It was later disclosed that any crime scene that had multiple victims was counted as 1 crime.
Some of you may have seen the reports about our Sheriff butting heads with all of us over CCW on NRA's site. Queen Sheriff is probably going to turn our county "shall issue" come election time, when she's voted out.
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Shall issue is good, may issue is bad .
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If you plot the gun control ranking verses the violent crime ranking there is NO correlation.
If you take the top 25 ranked by Brady Gun Control Ranking, their average Crime Rate Ranking is 25.84
If you take the bottom 26 ranked by Brady Gun Control Ranking, their average Crime Rate Ranking is 26.12
If you take the top 10 ranked by Brady Gun Control Ranking, their average Crime Rate Ranking is 24.3
If you take the bottom 10 ranked by Brady Gun Control Ranking, their average Crime Rate Ranking is 29.2
If you take the top 5 ranked by Brady Gun Control Ranking, their average Crime Rate Ranking is 22
If you take the bottom 5 ranked by Brady Gun Control Ranking, their average Crime Rate Ranking is 27.6
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This is from a page on there web site titled Major School Shootings since 1997
They list 9 events
3 were plots (no shots fired)
3 were drive by shooting after school was out
2 were at universities
1 was an accident with a blank gun for a play
only 1 was a child killed by another student
talk about making up stats
BUSTED! ! ! GOOD WORK! ! !
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Here is how the states rankings are determined by Brady
http://www.losangeleschronicle.com/articles/view/90179
The state´s complete scorecard results can be accessed at www.bradycampaign.org. The categories covered by the California 2008 scorecard are as follows:
States can earn up to 35 points by taking all measures needed to "Curb Firearms Trafficking." States can fully regulate the gun dealers within its borders, limit bulk purchases of handguns, provide police certain technology to identify crime guns, and require lost or stolen guns to be reported to the police. California scored 26 points in this category.
States can earn up to 25 points by "Strengthening Brady Background Checks." This involves requiring universal background checks and requiring a comprehensive permit in order to purchase firearms. Short of universal background checks, states can also close the gun show loophole, at least requiring background checks for all gun show sales. California scored 23 points in this category.
States can earn up to 20 points by "Protecting Child Safety" when it comes to guns. States can require that only childproof handguns be sold within their borders, require child safety locks sold with each weapon, hold adults accountable for keeping guns away from kids and teens, and require gun purchasers to be at least 21 years of age. California scored 10 points in this category.
States can earn up to 10 points by "Banning Military-style Assault Weapons," as well as banning high-capacity ammunition magazines. California scored 10 points in this category.
In a miscellaneous category, states can earn up to 10 points by making it harder to carry "Guns In Public Places" (except for trained law enforcement and security) and by "Preserving Local Control" over municipal gun laws. This includes keeping guns out of workplaces and college campuses, not forcing law enforcement to issue concealed handgun permits on demand, not permitting "shoot first" expansions to self-defense laws, and not preventing cities from passing their own gun laws. California scored all 10 points in this category.
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I don't get the graph. It says "by state," but doesn't have any states listed.
Sorry Fuzdaddy. Each dot represents a state. To put all the state names on their would have made it too confusing. Just go back to the original posting for the datum for your state. The point of the graph is to show that there is not correlation between Brady's Gun Control Ranking and the FBI's Violent Crime Rate.
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The point of the graph is to show that there is not correlation between Brady's Gun Control Ranking and the FBI's Violent Crime Rate.
Yep, its all just spray and pray