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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: CurrieS103 on February 07, 2009, 04:48:35 PM
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Saturday, February 7, 2009
Former President Clinton Advocates Gun/Magazine Ban
From The National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action
Friday, February 06, 2009
With President Barack Obama stating that his "urban agenda" includes reimposing the former federal ban on "assault weapons" and "large" magazines, it's out-of-date to refer to that law as it was known at the time--the Clinton Gun Ban.
On second thought, maybe not just yet.
In January, speaking at a meeting of the anti-gun U.S. Conference of Mayors, former president Bill Clinton took credit for the old ban, praised the Brady Campaign for continuing to lobby Congress for a new ban, and suggested that the mood in Washington might be more favorable toward a ban now than it had been during the last eight years.
Here's what Mr. Clinton had to say:
"[W]e will not go forward anymore, I don't think, with the kind of politics of division and destruction that drug us down for too long. That's essentially what is different, and what creates this great moment of opportunity . . . . to have conversations with people, instead of screaming matches, over things like what former Mayor [now Brady Campaign president Paul] Helmke works on so much—over what is the best way to keep the American people safe. Nobody wants to repeal the Second Amendment, and nobody wants to keep you out of the deer woods, but wouldn't it be nice if your children didn't have to worry about being mowed down by an assault weapon when they turn the corner?"
After the mayors' reflexive applause receded, Clinton continued, this time speaking more broadly than in reference to gun control alone. "[W]e're now in a position to begin again," he said. "It's not a leftward movement. It's a forward, communitarian movement." Communitarianism is a movement that considers individualism an impediment to society uniformly adopting values the movement considers appropriate, including authoritarian gun control. For example, the Communitarian Network platform states "there is little sense in gun registration. What we need to significantly enhance public safety is domestic disarmament of the kind that exists in practically all democracies."
Mr. Clinton did not treat the mayors to a longwinded explanation of the communitarian ideal, nor did he explain that the Brady Campaign no longer advocates merely the reimposition of the Clinton-era ban. Instead, like the Violence Policy Center and Legal Community Against Violence, Brady advocates a much broader federal ban, such as California's or the one proposed by Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), which would ban guns made to comply with the 1994 ban (by omitting one or more attachments, such as a flash suppressor), all semi-automatic shotguns, the Ruger Mini-14, the .30 Carbine, the M1 Garand, and other categories of guns and gun parts not affected by the 1994 ban.
Mr. Clinton also praised President Obama's selection of Hillary Clinton as his Secretary of State, a position in which Mrs. Clinton could lend support to international efforts to impose gun prohibitions domestically. It's going to be an interesting four years, to say the least.
Posted by glenway at 4:08 AM
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He was an A hole as President, and he's an A hole as an ex President. I don't care WHO he plays golf with.
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After reading the 1st post and especially this - the Communitarian Network platform states "there is little sense in gun registration. What we need to significantly enhance public safety is domestic disarmament of the kind that exists in practically all democracies." This comes as no surprise, both Ol'slick Willey and Billary were (probably still are) card carrying members of the communist party in their college days.
Looks like it's gonna be a loooooong 4yrs :-\
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communitarianism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communitarianism)
Communitarianism, as a group of related but distinct philosophies, began in the late 20th century, opposing in its opinion exalted forms of individualism while advocating phenomena such as civil society. Not necessarily hostile to social liberalism or even social democracy, communitarianism emphasizes the need to balance individual rights and interests with that of the community as a whole, and that individual people (or citizens) are shaped by the cultures and values of their communities.[1]
This is a scary word and vission!
My take on this is that regardless of what the Constitution says any group of enlightened do-gooders can decide what is best for me as an individual to be >:( This explains things like smoking bans, sin taxes, the rise of special rights and entitlements for certain groups, special attention to crimes just because we can call them a "hate" crime ...
There has been a song written and a story told (sorry, but I can't remember the name) of how would we treat Jesus if he walked with us today. In this wacky political atmosphere what do you think would happen to our Founding Fathers if they were to walk into Washington DC today?
By the way, did you pick up on the idea that Hillary is going to be able to get us that wonderful United Nations gun ban >:(
Time to get out the Clinton cigars and show them all what they can do with them >:(
Where the hell is Hank Jr.? I feel the need for a new Second Amendment rally song ... something along the lines of Country Boy Can Survive. While we are at it I would like to point out that former Pres. Clinton just fired shot across our bow. If we don't respond with one at their waterline we are screwed ... PegLeg ... raise the colors!!!
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Significantly enhance public safety,... :P :P :P >:(.....after all the criminals prefer unarmed VICTIMS....
Monica,....? Where are you?........
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Communitarianism = socialism which leads to communism >:(
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Can everyone remember the list of reasons given by the Founding Fathers for the Second Amendment?
I believe that Mr. Clinton had better read up on some of this stuff before he gives too much advise (this would be wise advice for Mr. Obama to heed as well).
This is not a threat, but it is a recommendation for all of those that might forget the reasons this Nation was formed and the Foundation it was formed on ... These were Christian families that fled oppression and fought for the freedom of the individual to worship their God in the denomination of their choice, and to take up arms to protect their freedoms of Religion, Speech and to protect from those that would take it away ... both foreign and domestic.
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Impeached Jerk. Remember when impeached was a black mark like bankrupt.
First paragraph says it all. The Dems are in the position of total power and control and will trample whatever they want.
Like the Chosen One said "we are on the edge of a cliff" and we are about to be thrown off.
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Impeached Jerk. Remember when impeached was a black mark like bankrupt.
First paragraph says it all. The Dems are in the position of total power and control and will trample whatever they want.
Like the Chosen One said "we are on the edge of a cliff" and we are about to be thrown off.
That cliff may be a worldwide depression. If we dodge economic meltdown we may be nearer the 2nd Coming than I thought.
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Significantly enhance public safety,... :P :P :P >:(.....after all the criminals gummint prefers unarmed VICTIMS....
Monica,....? Where are you?........
There, fixed it.
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Communitarianism is a movement that considers individualism an impediment to society uniformly adopting values the movement considers appropriate, including authoritarian gun control.
DANGER!
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Isn't it amazing (well, maybe not) that it's always the "liberals" and "progressives" who advocate the most restrictions on society that disagrees with them. For those of Us that had an education before the union took control, I remember reading about how certain groups in the 1920's and 30's cheered when Musolini and Stalin took control. Those groups refer to themselves now as "liberals" and "progressives".
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communitarianism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communitarianism)
This is a scary word and vission!
My take on this is that regardless of what the Constitution says any group of enlightened do-gooders can decide what is best for me as an individual to be >:( This explains things like smoking bans, sin taxes, the rise of special rights and entitlements for certain groups, special attention to crimes just because we can call them a "hate" crime ...
There has been a song written and a story told (sorry, but I can't remember the name) of how would we treat Jesus if he walked with us today. In this wacky political atmosphere what do you think would happen to our Founding Fathers if they were to walk into Washington DC today?
By the way, did you pick up on the idea that Hillary is going to be able to get us that wonderful United Nations gun ban >:(
Time to get out the Clinton cigars and show them all what they can do with them >:(
Where the hell is Hank Jr.? I feel the need for a new Second Amendment rally song ... something along the lines of Country Boy Can Survive. While we are at it I would like to point out that former Pres. Clinton just fired shot across our bow. If we don't respond with one at their waterline we are screwed ... PegLeg ... raise the colors!!!
Bill and Hillary's smugness and open disdain for the 'little' people makes me want to retch.....
***EDIT***
Figured this was a good place for a quick refresher:
FIREARMS REFRESHER COURSE
Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not.'
Thomas Jefferson
1. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.
2. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.
3. Colt: The original point and click interface.
4. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.
5. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?
6. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.
7. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.
8. If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.
9. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.
10. The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights Reserved.
11. What part of 'shall not be infringed' do you not understand?
12. The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others.
13. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.
14. Guns only have two enemies; rust and politicians.
15. Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.
16. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.
17. 911: Government sponsored Dial-a-Prayer.
18. Assault is a behavior, not a device.
19. Criminals love gun control; it makes their jobs safer.
20. If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson.
21. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.
22. You have only the rights you are willing to fight for.
23. Enforce the gun control laws we ALREADY have; don't make more.
24. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.
25. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.
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I knew we could count on you!
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He was an A hole as President, and he's an A hole as an ex President. I don't care WHO he plays golf with.
Actually I believe you give him too much credit, In office he was lower than a snakes belly . Either as Govenor or the other office he defiled with his antics. ::)