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Title: The myth of cover
Post by: m25operator on February 15, 2009, 03:48:56 PM
A friend of mine sent this to me, and it reminded me of something Rob Pincus demonstrated on a previous SG episode at Valhalla. Worth the read.

mythofcover.pdf (395KB)
Title: Re: The myth of cover
Post by: Ichiban on February 15, 2009, 04:01:36 PM
Looks really interesting but there is no attachment.   :'(
Title: Re: The myth of cover
Post by: m25operator on February 15, 2009, 04:03:19 PM
I'm not to good at attachments, try this. :-[

www.combatshootingandtactics.com/published/The_Myth_of_Cover_07.pdf
Title: Re: The myth of cover
Post by: Pathfinder on February 15, 2009, 05:10:42 PM
Cars are not cover, unless you have the engine block between you and a BG. At best, they are concealment. It never ceases to amaze me watching people standing behind a car door and thinking they are covered.
Title: Re: The myth of cover
Post by: Fatman on February 15, 2009, 06:50:08 PM
Nice info, I figured sheet metal isn't much cover anyway, but I really hadn't given deflection

As to other 'cover', try this with your wife or a friend. Hold a newspaper folded in half or a magazine in one of your hands and tell them to use their fingers like a gun and try to shoot you when you say 'go'. Move the paper between you and them just before you say 'go' and dodge a bit while moving the newspaper or magazine around, keeping it between you and their 'gun'.

Watch what they do.  ;D
Title: Re: The myth of cover
Post by: Timothy on February 15, 2009, 06:54:42 PM
Cars are not cover, unless you have the engine block between you and a BG. At best, they are concealment. It never ceases to amaze me watching people standing behind a car door and thinking they are covered.

I worked at a GM body plant back in the day...trust me, car doors are nothing but .030" thick sheet metal with an internal .062" or .078" support for the windows and maybe a .090" to .109" thick stiffener.....definitely NOT protection!
Title: Re: The myth of cover
Post by: philw on February 15, 2009, 06:57:28 PM
It never ceases to amaze me watching people standing behind a car door and thinking they are covered.

hahaa   but it works in the movies and TV.....................



Title: Re: The myth of cover
Post by: fullautovalmet76 on February 15, 2009, 07:30:29 PM
Thanks for the post, M25. It was enlightening to me! The pictures remind me of a video clip I saw of the late Jim Cirillo skipping bullets off of steel plate six feet in front of an IPSC target and getting kill shots.......
Title: Re: The myth of cover
Post by: m25operator on February 15, 2009, 09:41:58 PM
Bingo, Fullauto, if you saw Robs Valhalla episode, it shows hugging cover, even a brick building, and your adversary does not have to be that good, as if the bullet hits the wall, it will tend to crawl along the wall to the end, where you might be if you hug cover, instead of backing off. It is the deflection part of this demonstration that get's my attention.