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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: ericire12 on February 18, 2009, 10:17:38 AM
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http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/sfl-bn-0218assault,0,4370557.story
MIAMI - Miami-Dade County Commissioners have passed a resolution urging for the reinstatement of the federal ban on firearms commonly known as assault rifles, according to CBS 4.
The measure, passed Tuesday, asks Congress to stiffen gun control and renew the federal ban on the type of weapon used during a January shooting on the streets of Liberty City that killed two teenage boys.
Investigators have said an AK-47 was used in that attack.
The county commission's desire to ban assault weapons and impose stricter gun controls is supported by Miami-Dade County Mayor Carlos Alvarez, CBS 4 reported.
Alvarez, a former long-time director of the Miami-Dade Police Department, told the station he supports the right to bear arms but doesn't think the earliest proponents of the 2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution had assault weapons in mind.
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Alvarez, a former long-time director of the Miami-Dade Police Department, told the station he supports the right to bear arms but doesn't think the earliest proponents of the 2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution had assault weapons in mind.
There it is again. "BUT" well I believe this BUT then again, I don't.
Wouldn't he be surprised to know that "assault" weapons were exactly what the founders had in mind.
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Like Alf points out, what the founders had in mind was the same stuff the Army had.
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There it is again. "BUT" well I believe this BUT then again, I don't.
Wouldn't he be surprised to know that "assault" weapons were exactly what the founders had in mind.
Enough of this crap!!!
WARNING, I AM ON MY SOAPBOX !!!
Websters Ninth New Collegiante Dictionary
as-sault n 1: a violent physical or verbal attack 2a: an apparently violent attemp or a willful offer with force or violence to do hurt to another without the actual doing of the hurt threatened (as by lifting the fist in a threatening manner) b: rape
assault vt 1: to make an assault on
Assault is an action! Assault is not a thing!
My health has been harmed by McDonalds Assault-Big Macs, Burger King Assault-Whoppers, Jack-in-the-Box Assault-Super Sized Meals, ... Sound stupid? No more stupid that putting the word "assault" infront of a gun, knife, stick or any other item you are afraid of.
All these gun haters need to go for counseling to get over their fear of inatimate objects. How do we get them to understand that it is not the knife, club or gun that they are afraid of? How do we get them to understand that it is the person they need to fear? Take away this gun or that, and there will just be another tool to ban. Slowly work your way through every gun ever built, and you will find yourself going after swords, knives, clubs, chains, diesel fuel, fertilizer, gasoline, laundry detergent, strike anywhere matches ...
The real problem is the action and not the tool. We have thousands of laws regulating the action, but no one wants to deal with enforcing those ... unless of course we can determine that the threat was to some protected special race, sex or sect - then you will not only go to jail until you are dead but until you are dead two or three times.
Oh, by the way, To our Founding Fathers the most threatening weapon used in warfare was a rifled musket with a three and a half foot barrel, and I don't recall any where in the early records that it is written that only the Governement or a select few with special certificates can own those. Remeber all that if you not only read the Second Amendment, but also the writings that the Framers coresponded with you will find that they wanted us to have all the weapons of war at our immediate disposal as legal citizens.
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Like Alf points out, what the founders had in mind was the same stuff the Army had.
BUT all the idiots think that you can nuance it into just about anything you want in order to fit your agenda
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Enough of this crap!!!
WARNING, I AM ON MY SOAPBOX !!!
Websters Ninth New Collegiante Dictionary
as-sault n 1: a violent physical or verbal attack 2a: an apparently violent attemp or a willful offer with force or violence to do hurt to another without the actual doing of the hurt threatened (as by lifting the fist in a threatening manner) b: rape
assault vt 1: to make an assault on
Assault is an action! Assault is not a thing!
My health has been harmed by McDonalds Assault-Big Macs, Burger King Assault-Whoppers, Jack-in-the-Box Assault-Super Sized Meals, ... Sound stupid? No more stupid that putting the word "assault" infront of a gun, knife, stick or any other item you are afraid of.
All these gun haters need to go for counseling to get over their fear of inatimate objects. How do we get them to understand that it is not the knife, club or gun that they are afraid of? How do we get them to understand that it is the person they need to fear? Take away this gun or that, and there will just be another tool to ban. Slowly work your way through every gun ever built, and you will find yourself going after swords, knives, clubs, chains, diesel fuel, fertilizer, gasoline, laundry detergent, strike anywhere matches ...
The real problem is the action and not the tool. We have thousands of laws regulating the action, but no one wants to deal with enforcing those ... unless of course we can determine that the threat was to some protected special race, sex or sect - then you will not only go to jail until you are dead but until you are dead two or three times.
Oh, by the way, To our Founding Fathers the most threatening weapon used in warfare was a rifled musket with a three and a half foot barrel, and I don't recall any where in the early records that it is written that only the Governement or a select few with special certificates can own those. Remeber all that if you not only read the Second Amendment, but also the writings that the Framers coresponded with you will find that they wanted us to have all the weapons of war at our immediate disposal as legal citizens.
Relax, remember, gun control isn't about guns, it's about control. The Bolsheviks won the Russian Civil war with the Phrase "Land, Bread, Peace", The Nazi's gained power with the slogan," One State, One people, One leader".
The socialists in America are still looking for their catch phrase.
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Everything that the govt has been doing in recent memory boils down to control.......
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The socialists in America are still looking for their catch phrase.
I believe it is "Yes we can"
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I believe it is "Yes we can"
Then ours can be " Like hell you will", .
Here's some more
"Heat the tar and pluck the chickens".
"You get the rope, I'll find a tree".
"Over my (or your) dead body"
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I believe it is "Yes we can"
OR... Bend over here it comes again >:(
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Relax, ...
I don't want to relax! Relaxing is what got us into this mess, and now we need to stand up and scream! I'm not saying Mr. Heston's quote, as much as I love it, but rather the Founding Fathers' words. How about we stay on top of the word "infringe?" Permits, licenses, waiting periods, bans and special taxes or regulations that cause drastic increases in cost or limited availability are all infringements on the purpose of the Second Amendment!
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I don't want to relax! Relaxing is what got us into this mess, and now we need to stand up and scream! I'm not saying Mr. Heston's quote, as much as I love it, but rather the Founding Fathers' words. How about we stay on top of the word "infringe?" Permits, licenses, waiting periods, bans and special taxes or regulations that cause drastic increases in cost or limited availability are all infringements on the purpose of the Second Amendment!
No, SLEEPING, is what got us in this spot. Sitting back thinking our NRA dues were enough sacrifice helped get us here.
Planning, or plotting, should be done with a relaxed informed mind. If part of the plan is to stand up and scream, then it must be done in a calculated manner. Being outraged clouds your judgment and limits your effectiveness, that does not preclude EXPRESSING outrage.
But all tactics should be executed with a clear mind and attention to detail.
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The socialists in America are still looking for their catch phrase.
I think it's "Change you can believe in"
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Enough of this crap!!!
WARNING, I AM ON MY SOAPBOX !!!
Websters Ninth New Collegiante Dictionary
as-sault n 1: a violent physical or verbal attack 2a: an apparently violent attemp or a willful offer with force or violence to do hurt to another without the actual doing of the hurt threatened (as by lifting the fist in a threatening manner) b: rape
assault vt 1: to make an assault on
Assault is an action! Assault is not a thing!
My health has been harmed by McDonalds Assault-Big Macs, Burger King Assault-Whoppers, Jack-in-the-Box Assault-Super Sized Meals, ... Sound stupid? No more stupid that putting the word "assault" infront of a gun, knife, stick or any other item you are afraid of.
All these gun haters need to go for counseling to get over their fear of inatimate objects. How do we get them to understand that it is not the knife, club or gun that they are afraid of? How do we get them to understand that it is the person they need to fear? Take away this gun or that, and there will just be another tool to ban. Slowly work your way through every gun ever built, and you will find yourself going after swords, knives, clubs, chains, diesel fuel, fertilizer, gasoline, laundry detergent, strike anywhere matches ...
The real problem is the action and not the tool. We have thousands of laws regulating the action, but no one wants to deal with enforcing those ... unless of course we can determine that the threat was to some protected special race, sex or sect - then you will not only go to jail until you are dead but until you are dead two or three times.
Oh, by the way, To our Founding Fathers the most threatening weapon used in warfare was a rifled musket with a three and a half foot barrel, and I don't recall any where in the early records that it is written that only the Governement or a select few with special certificates can own those. Remeber all that if you not only read the Second Amendment, but also the writings that the Framers coresponded with you will find that they wanted us to have all the weapons of war at our immediate disposal as legal citizens.
Try not to hold back, m58, tell us how you REALLY feel. It's not good to hold things inside, dude. ;D
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Then ours can be " Like hell you will", .
Here's some more
"Heat the tar and pluck the chickens".
"You get the rope, I'll find a tree".
"Over my (or your) dead body"
That is too funny, Tom, I have been wondering lately how modern pols would react to a good tar and feathering. Do we have that much tar?
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I don't know about the tar, but there would be a LOT of naked chickens running around ;D
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Even scarier, (yes that's possible), down here, is the efforts will not stop by the Miami-Dade lefty's. They kinda know that a renewal of the AWB probably won't happen, keyword: YET. Sooooooo,
They are also going to attempt to get individual states the power to decide on what "types" of firearms should be banned. Kinda like Kalifornia. OBTW, corruption in the Miami-Dade political spectrum, rivals Chicago. That's why I live in the Republic of Broward County, just to the North.
Murder rate rises in Miami-Dade, mayor pushes to ban assault rifles
Murder rate rises in Miami-Dade, mayor pushes to ban assault rifles
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MIAMI (WSVN) -- The Miami-Dade County mayor is using the county's statistics to push for one of his crime fighting initiatives.
Robberies in the county in 2008 were down by 4 percent from the year before. Burglaries were also down by 5 percent. However, the homicide rate is up drastically by 23 percent.
Mayor Carlos Alvarez said the increase shows that the ban on assault weapons in the county should be reinstated. "We all see what happens when guns fall into the wrong hands. As I said in my state of the county address last week, I dont think that our founding fathers had AK-47's in mind when they drafted the constitution. There's absolutely no reason I can see having assault weapons out on the streets," said Alvarez.
In January, nine people were shot, and two people were killed, in Liberty City when a gunman opened fire into a crowd with an AK-47.
No arrests have been made in the shooting.
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He may want to but the fact is he can't. The State occupies the whole field of gun regulation, period. Cities, counties can not make law on this subject in Florida.
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Thanks Haz. I thought that was the rule here.
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I think tar and feathering would constitute cruel and unusual punishment but I think "we" gun lovers could come up with more ingenious ways to harm someone who wants to take away our pride and joy weapons. I don't know about you but I am sick of the term "assault weapons". When are the anti-gun zealots going to realize that they are actually "defense" weapons? Hope this does not start a bandwagon to come after our rifles again.
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Alvarez, a former long-time director of the Miami-Dade Police Department, told the station he supports the right to bear arms but doesn't think the earliest proponents of the 2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution had assault weapons in mind.
now I am no edumicated scholar however when I see or hear the word BUT I always seem to generally discount what ever they say as they don't agree with what they are saying
Beginning a sentence with a coordinating conjunction such as but is considered incorrect by classical grammarians arguing that a coordinating conjunction at the start of a sentence has nothing to connect, but use of the word in this way is very common. It is, however, best to avoid beginning a sentence with but in formal writing. Combining sentences or using however, nevertheless, still, or though is appropriate for the formal style.
note I am not having a personal crack at Police that are on here doing the hard yards
IMO they want to pass these "feel Good" laws ( Like they have here) to cover up the ineffectiveness in policing the illegal use of firearms and the courts not handing out the penalties, and giving the crims a slap on the wrist, or worse get off due to a "technical issue" FFS come on people there are ENOUGH laws why don't they enforce the ones they have.
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AHHHHH a fellow grammarian!
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AHHHHH a fellow grammarian!
Yup, the cat IS back.
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AHHHHH a fellow grammarian!
mate I am far from a grammarian however with the word BUT. It was something I was told from one of my old bosses when I was dealing with a Cust Issue
and explained why one of the things I never forgot as I used to use it ALL the time
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mate I am far from a grammarian however with the word BUT. It was something I was told from one of my old bosses when I was dealing with a Cust Issue
and explained why one of the things I never forgot as I used to use it ALL the time
What??
In any case I do try to keep my participles from dangling! (we know how painful that can be! ;) )
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What??
customer issue
In any case I do try to keep my participles from dangling! (we know how painful that can be! ;) )
heheh yep can be very nasty
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AHHHHH a fellow grammarian!
Chuse...my favorite grammer problem, because it is spelled correctly. The Supreme Law of the Land said so. ;)
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Chuse...my favorite grammer problem, because it is spelled correctly. The Supreme Law of the Land said so. ;)
OK, I'm confused ???
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In olde English "choose" was spelled "chuse" sometimes. Up here you see signs "Ye olde " like "Ye olde Pub", Ye old Brush shoppe" stuff like that, It's pronounced THE old. Another odd one, they used to use a small f for a Capital S, so "Sudbury Mass" was fudbury.
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Thank you, Thomas!
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In olde English "choose" was spelled "chuse" sometimes. Up here you see signs "Ye olde " like "Ye olde Pub", Ye old Brush shoppe" stuff like that, It's pronounced THE old. Another odd one, they used to use a small f for a Capital S, so "Sudbury Mass" was fudbury.
Actually, is is because it is spelled that way in the US Constitution, The Supreme Law of the Land. So, it is spelled correctly. Oh, and a tomato is not a fruit. ;)
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Actually, is is because it is spelled that way in the US Constitution, The Supreme Law of the Land. So, it is spelled correctly. Oh, and a tomato is not a fruit. ;)
Not really, Teddy Roosevelt signed a Bill about simplified spelling that led to a lot of "Americanized" changes in spelling, for example, we no longer spell color or armor with a "U" (colour, armour ) the way the Brit's do.
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Did not know that. Interesting, so how about Arkansas? I recall some crazy change for some reason.
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No clue. And I'd be afraid to ask, look what happened to Vince Foster ;D
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No clue. And I'd be afraid to ask, look what happened to Vince Foster ;D
You mean the "suicide"? ::)
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He may want to but the fact is he can't. The State occupies the whole field of gun regulation, period. Cities, counties can not make law on this subject in Florida.
But they will..... then it will take time and somebody's money to prove that it does not adhere to the state constitution... then there will be no repercussions and no accountability for the fools that did it, or for the activist judge who made it go all the way to the supreme court...... and they some other ass clown will do it again somewhere else.... etc etc etc..... >:( >:( >:(
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Ridiculous as it may seem, the political environment to have "bans" or fancier political words like "ordinances", passed at the county level stands a chance. Hopefully, Governor Crist, who is is acting like a RINO to get Florida's share of the porkulus package, will find his backbone and not allow these attempts to get off the ground.
The big BUT is the Sheriff, and other lefty's on the city and county commission will work whine thier way up the ladder to state legislators, than congressman, and than God help us,... the Senate. Or the State Supreme Court, or the Federal court in Atlanta. It doesn't matter. The media already coines this the "AK Ambush". Get some Brady Bunch folks down here, a few others that can keep the pot stirred.....Make some public speeches, all this can snowball into something downright FUGLY!.
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Remember these are politicians.
The point is the left is using this shooting, BTW, anyone with a Winchester Model 94, or a Remington 870, could have done the same thing...,as the chance to jump on ANY restricting firearm regulations. They will start small, and WILL NOT STOP. This summer it will be something else, this Fall something else, etc,...etc,..
Don't forget who we're dealing with.
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But they will..... then it will take time and somebody's money to prove that it does not adhere to the state constitution... then there will be no repercussions and no accountability for the fools that did it, or for the activist judge who made it go all the way to the supreme court...... and they some other ass clown will do it again somewhere else.... etc etc etc..... Angry Angry Angry
Stranger things have happened.
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790.33 Field of regulation of firearms and ammunition preempted.--
(1) PREEMPTION.--Except as expressly provided by general law, the Legislature hereby declares that it is occupying the whole field of regulation of firearms and ammunition, including the purchase, sale, transfer, taxation, manufacture, ownership, possession, and transportation thereof, to the exclusion of all existing and future county, city, town, or municipal ordinances or regulations relating thereto. Any such existing ordinances are hereby declared null and void. This subsection shall not affect zoning ordinances which encompass firearms businesses along with other businesses. Zoning ordinances which are designed for the purpose of restricting or prohibiting the sale, purchase, transfer, or manufacture of firearms or ammunition as a method of regulating firearms or ammunition are in conflict with this subsection and are prohibited.
(2) LIMITED EXCEPTION; COUNTY WAITING-PERIOD ORDINANCES.--
(a) Any county may have the option to adopt a waiting-period ordinance requiring a waiting period of up to, but not to exceed, 3 working days between the purchase and delivery of a handgun. For purposes of this subsection, "purchase" means payment of deposit, payment in full, or notification of intent to purchase. Adoption of a waiting-period ordinance, by any county, shall require a majority vote of the county commission on votes on waiting-period ordinances. This exception is limited solely to individual counties and is limited to the provisions and restrictions contained in this subsection.
(b) Ordinances authorized by this subsection shall apply to all sales of handguns to individuals by a retail establishment except those sales to individuals exempted in this subsection. For purposes of this subsection, "retail establishment" means a gun shop, sporting goods store, pawn shop, hardware store, department store, discount store, bait or tackle shop, or any other store or shop that offers handguns for walk-in retail sale but does not include gun collectors shows or exhibits, or gun shows.
(c) Ordinances authorized by this subsection shall not require any reporting or notification to any source outside the retail establishment, but records of handgun sales must be available for inspection, during normal business hours, by any law enforcement agency as defined in s. 934.02.
(d) The following shall be exempt from any waiting period:
1. Individuals who are licensed to carry concealed firearms under the provisions of s. 790.06 or who are licensed to carry concealed firearms under any other provision of state law and who show a valid license;
2. Individuals who already lawfully own another firearm and who show a sales receipt for another firearm; who are known to own another firearm through a prior purchase from the retail establishment; or who have another firearm for trade-in;
3. A law enforcement or correctional officer as defined in s. 943.10;
4. A law enforcement agency as defined in s. 934.02;
5. Sales or transactions between dealers or between distributors or between dealers and distributors who have current federal firearms licenses; or
6. Any individual who has been threatened or whose family has been threatened with death or bodily injury, provided the individual may lawfully possess a firearm and provided such threat has been duly reported to local law enforcement.
(3) POLICY AND INTENT.--
(a) It is the intent of this section to provide uniform firearms laws in the state; to declare all ordinances and regulations null and void which have been enacted by any jurisdictions other than state and federal, which regulate firearms, ammunition, or components thereof; to prohibit the enactment of any future ordinances or regulations relating to firearms, ammunition, or components thereof unless specifically authorized by this section or general law; and to require local jurisdictions to enforce state firearms laws.
(b) As created by chapter 87-23, Laws of Florida, this section shall be known and may be cited as the "Joe Carlucci Uniform Firearms Act."
History.--ss. 1, 2, 3, 4, ch. 87-23; s. 5, ch. 88-183.
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I hope it holds, Florida turned awfully "blue" during the last election :P.
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Seems clear to me TW, but then again I'm not a lawyer or a judge ;).
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Seems clear to me TW, but then again I'm not a lawyer or a judge ;).
You can't count on it, Haz. Afterall, "shall not be infringed" seems pretty clear to us, too, but not so with some.
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What??
In any case I do try to keep my participles from dangling! (we know how painful that can be! ;) )
That is something up with which I will not put!!!
Thanks, Mom. :(
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Seems clear to me TW, but then again I'm not a lawyer or a judge ;).
Preemption ? like in Ca (vs SF ) or Pa. (vs Philly) that kind of preemption ?
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Preemption ? like in Ca (vs SF ) or Pa. (vs Philly) that kind of preemption ?
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We use bullets around here, buddy ;D