The Down Range Forum
Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: warhawke on February 23, 2009, 05:47:00 AM
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Things are looking up here in Montana, to the point that I am about to buy a new handgun (wife is itchy about no hogleg in the house). However things are not so great that I can afford to buy what I would like (cough*1911*cough) and given that I'm gonna need all the extras I have to keep the price way low. I'm not big on used guns when I don't have the cash to deal with any problems that might crop up later so that is pretty much out.
So, what I need is;
Semi-auto (wife don't like wheelguns)
9mm or better
high capacity (13 plus if possible)
$500 or less WITH, 4+ mags, holster & mag pouches and a limited quantity of ammo (250 rds or better)
I only have 2 candidates so far;
Bersa Thunder ($320 for the 9 or .40 full size or the .45 compact {not sure the wife is up to the compact .45, full size no prob. but compact?})
CZ 99 9mm ($300)
any other ideas, suggestions etc. would be appreciated.
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I think you need to reconsider buying used...... remember that most used guns have not seen much action, and the majority of their "use" was probably sitting in a night stand draw........... try to find a gun smith that would take a look at it for ya....... may only cost ya $20
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Bersa seems to have a good reputation. Used Glock ?
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I was going to say used glock police gun. Years ago they were everywhere, mostly in 9mm.
Now they are harder to find and usually in .40
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Don't forget LEO turn in 3rd gen smiths. Great guns for the money.
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Don't forget Rock Island 45 for about 350.00
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Try this site it has some good prices
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/index.php
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Don't forget Rock Island 45 for about 350.00
Guns America has 7 in the $450 area but they are listed as "Armscor", Same guns though.
http://www.gunsamerica.com/Search.aspx?D=Multiple&F=|10
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First off, I don't like Glocks and won't buy one. I don't like XD's either (again, personal preference). I should have said that I would buy used from someone I trust but not sight-unseen, I have had too many used weapons that I had to put money into after I bought it and I can't afford that now. I have hit Crack Broker and Auction Arms but I don't think I'm likely to to find anything good enough at my price point.
I have researched the Bersa (thanks to FerFal and others) and they seem to be very good weapons. In fact I have seen exactly 2 reports of serious malfunctions on the net and both were fixed ASAP by the factory. The CZ (Yugo, not Czech) is good too, it even beat the Glock and CZ-75 in military tests some years ago (Eastern block country, Croatia?). Iraq is issueing them now and Israel used too.
I used to have a 3rd Gen Smith, worked fine until it didn't and repair was expensive. I even considered a S&W Sigma, for about 30 seconds.
As far as a 1911, they are either too expensive for me right now (Para, Kimber, etc.) or too close to the Charles Daly which was a POS that I dumped after about 100 rounds.
Thanks for helping though, and keep it up.
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I bougth a NIB( just didn't have the box) colt 70 seriers this year for $450. About 500 rounds thru it, not a single prob. Just like all of my other colts.
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Under 500 with money to spare for mags. That would be a CZ 75B...which if you like the 1911 you'll appreciate the CZ. Or...try an SR9...except for the trigger, it's my favorite....with that recall thing the price of those are still depressed.
Either one very reliable....maybe an FNP9. I have each of those and like the SR9 for being slim and light, the feel of the CZ (all metal) and compromise with the FNP 9. If you like a hammer, you got it on the CZ and FNP 9 plus they clean up easier than the SR9. SR9 beats them on carry due to size and rounded edges.
Take a ride to :
http://www.best9mm.com/
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I'm a big CZ75 fan, and the EAA copies ( witness ) are pretty good too, if you can find a Springfield armory version the P9, you will probably find them in the 350 dollar range and have a superior fit and finish.
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Bought a very clean and slightly used EAA (Tangfolio) Witness .40 for right around $300.00. Came in box with 4 mags. Never had an issue with it. Has the Wonderfinish and have seen other for around the same at gun shows,...
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/EAARearSight001.jpg)
Rear sight is like an Alpine ski jump, but can be replaced easily.
The options are out there.
Tough call, wheel guns have less that can go wrong if used, but the deals are out there regardless of type.
My FN9, NIB was less than $450.00.
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The new EAA polymer guns look good:
(http://www.eaacorp.com/images/Witness-Polymer/WitnessCarry-08.png)
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The new EAA polymer guns look good:
(http://www.eaacorp.com/images/Witness-Polymer/WitnessCarry-08.png)
That looks good?
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$569 for Certified Pre Owned P226
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=411536110
$469 for new in box Sig E2022
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/14903
$469 for new in box M&P 9
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/38991
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I've got a Sig 2022 with about 6500 rounds through it and it's reliable as a hammer.
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I've got a Sig 2022 with about 6500 rounds through it and it's reliable as a hammer.
How well does it fulfill its role as a gun?
;D
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I bought the CZ99 in 40 S&W, $351 shipped from CDNN. The wife and I discussed it and we decided that the .40 would be better in this environment than the 9mm even though it will cost more for bullets. The Bersa was cheaper out the door but the mags are almost double the cost and the CZ can use Sig leather (or so I understand).
(http://www.zastava-arms.co.yu/images/civilni/pistolji/11531.jpg)
for info on the pistol;
http://www.cz999.org/index.php?page=main (http://www.cz999.org/index.php?page=main)
http://www.americanhandgunner.com/Ftrs/JA08/EAA.html (http://www.americanhandgunner.com/Ftrs/JA08/EAA.html)
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I think you made a good choice. CZ makes good tough guns. Many are used in USPSA and IDPA competition and the shooters generally love them.
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SIG copy good gun. ENJOY ;D
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How well does it fulfill its role as a gun?
YOU, sir, can be replaced!
What I should have said was, "It is AS reliable as a hammer" because I have never used it as a hammer because (believe it or not) when I was a contractor I used to COLLECT hammers, so I have no need for a Sig hammer. ...although if they made one I would probably have one. But I'll bet the 2022 would actually make a lousy hammer unless the subject of the hammering was on the fleshy side, or even better, something like custard. Then it would function very well. But overall, used in what one would consider the "traditional" hammer role, the 2022 would probably suck. The polymer frame just wouldn't hold up especially if the hammering were done in the classic old west method of putting up wanted posters. Now if you hammered with the slide somehow, maybe...but then it probably would not function anymore as a gun, and it would just be a so-so hammer.
Does that answer your question E?
;D
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warhawke
You haven't told us what you want it for. Is it for ccw or a house gun? Is it just for defense, or are you interested in target shooting or hunting? Would you rather have a few big ones (1911) or more medium size ones (Glock SIG etc. in 9mm or there abouts)? You say its for you wife, how good a shot is she, how recoil sensitive, how big are her hands? Are you in the sticks or in a condo? Without knowing this we"re all just blowing smoke and you should ignore us. Personally, I think for general defense the default answer is almost always Glock. Its idiot proof, low maintainence, high cap mags, accurate enough for defense, eats anything, comes in all 32 flavors and goes bang everytime. There's a reason almost every PD in America either issues or approves them. It's like the .870, it might not be the only gun you ever want, but its the only gun you'll ever need. Anyway send us some particulars and we can give you useful ::) info???
fighing quaker13