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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Hazcat on March 01, 2009, 07:37:47 AM
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They sit there and applaud speech after speech espousing conservative values and smaller government then when the straw vote comes it is back to the same old loser RINOs.
We need a CONSERVATIVE party!
Romney Tops Palin in 2012 Straw Poll
February 28, 2009 5:40 PM
ABC News' Teddy Davis reports: The Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) has chosen former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney as the winner of the first Republican straw poll of the 2012 campaign.
With 20 percent of the vote, Romney finished ahead of Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, who received 14 percent, as well as Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, who each had 13 percent.
"For the hat trick, Mitt Romney takes his third straight straw poll," said Tony Fabrizio, the Republican pollster who tabulates CPAC's annual straw poll results.
Rounding out the rest of the results: former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, R-Ga., received 10 percent, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee received 7 percent, South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford received 4 percent, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani received 3 percent, Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty received 2 percent and Florida Gov. Charlie Crist received 1 percent. Nine percent indicated that they are undecided. The rest of the straw poll participants wrote in someone else's name.
More at link: http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/02/romney-tops-pal.html
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Blasted RINO's. >:(
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Haz relax...everyone knows that the straw poll has no real merit. No more than putting up a poll on AK's vs. AR's here. Huckabee last night laughed at it. It is not a swear on blood kind of thing, just an informal vote that has more to do with who just spoke, who is left hanging around the ballroom, etc.
CPAC had Newt, Rush, Wayne LaPierre, Ron Paul, Grover Norquist and on and on speaking to a group that includes a very large number of young college kids just getting started. If those guys don't represent conservative views I don't know who does. Fox News even carried Rush uninterrupted for an hour and half last night. What better group to talk to the young'ns?
The ACU and CPAC are built. They have been around for 30 or 40 years. Its a pipe dream to think that something out of the blue is going to pop up or be started that all of a sudden convinces every last American to vote or think the way you and other conservatives do. In fact more is not merrier. The most splintered and fractured our cause is, the less influence we will have.
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I think the point here, is based on:
1. The people partcipating are motivated by politics, hence active and active in steering the party.
2. Those people are RINO's.
3. Those people who would steer the party need not be a RINO.
4. I'm tired of the RINO's asking us to compromise, it's their turn.
5. I do understand what you are saying, but the lesser of two evils is still evil and our cause will stay splintered and fractured if true conservatism is left out.
6. We have been abandoned by the Republican leadership..
7. If true conservatism is left out, what are you left with? Why participate in something you don't believe in and strengthen that movement/party?
OK...sorry for the soap box and no disrespect meant. But I'm still smarting and, really, yet to enjoy the fruits of 4 years of a blooming idiot for President so I haven't healed over yet. In fact, unless we drink their kool-aide, they'll be picking at those wounds for some time with the real infection to set in some time next year.
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You got it right, Ken.
These are the people that control the R party. They STILL want a RINO and 'compromise'. They are losers and will remain losers. They ran McCain and got their collective asses handed to them in an overwhelming defeat in all races, but they want to 'hold the course' and hope that Obama will lose his appeal or that the Dems will do something so stupid that it will drive voters to the R party.
That is a losing strategy.
After all the begging here I held my nose and voted for McCain, NEVER AGAIN! Run an acceptable candidate or go pound salt.
All Rinos must go or I do. It is that simple.
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OK...everybody stop the heavy breathing and t-h-i-n-k about the facts a bit.
1. We have the fringe of the left running Congress.
2. We have the fringe of the left in the White House (puppet though he may be).
3. We have the fringe left controlling the main stream media.
So, what is it we did to get here? We should all think about that....but be introspective and not defensive...whatever it is that was supposed to bring success, well, it obviously failed.
INSANITY -- Doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
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I agree with you all that the Republican party is a disaster :( I was just making a point that CPAC is a group of a couple thousand college kids under 25 mostly. They are OUR activists of the next 20 years. I am very proud that we conservatives even have that many young folks on our side these days.
As for the Repugnant ones, I personally think there needs to be a purge of the party. With Steele as the chairman of the RNC I don't think that will happen from his side (I was happy to hear him though talk about punishing the Maine girls and Spector by not giving them any money for re-election). BUT I think in the house there IS something a brewing. With again young guys like Eric Cantor coming on strong we may have a chance to refocus the Republican party. To get it away from the Spector's and McCain's. Their day is long gone. McCain had a chance and blew it by betraying the principles we know to be true. So kick out the old guys. Get in new blood and HOLD THEIR DAMM FEET TOTHE FIRE. That means we have to raise money and be vocal for those we support. For those we don't, we need to pick another horse and ride him. But money and publicity is the bread and butter of poliitics. That is how things get accomplished. If you have NO money you ain't got a chance in hell. All the whining in the world will get you no where.
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Agreed to all. To zero in on the money statement you made, the arrogance of the RINO's is highlighted by the fact that they had to eliminate most if not all of the phone bank staff when the money dried up due to the RINO's overt and tacit support of illegal immigration. I like what you are saying. I just wanted to move the focus over, as a learning aid, for those who may yet have their head up their arse.
I agree with you all that the Republican party is a disaster :( I was just making a point that CPAC is a group of a couple thousand college kids under 25 mostly. They are OUR activists of the next 20 years. I am very proud that we conservatives even have that many young folks on our side these days.
As for the Repugnant ones, I personally think there needs to be a purge of the party. With Steele as the chairman of the RNC I don't think that will happen from his side (I was happy to hear him though talk about punishing the Maine girls and Spector by not giving them any money for re-election). BUT I think in the house there IS something a brewing. With again young guys like Eric Cantor coming on strong we may have a chance to refocus the Republican party. To get it away from the Spector's and McCain's. Their day is long gone. McCain had a chance and blew it by betraying the principles we know to be true. So kick out the old guys. Get in new blood and HOLD THEIR DAMM FEET TOTHE FIRE. That means we have to raise money and be vocal for those we support. For those we don't, we need to pick another horse and ride him. But money and publicity is the bread and butter of poliitics. That is how things get accomplished. If you have NO money you ain't got a chance in hell. All the whining in the world will get you no where.
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You know one of the comments Rush made during his first “address to the nation” pointed to the concept that the Republican party does not need to focus on the conservative “elite”, which essentially are those who are now the centerists that are destroying the conservative movement. What the party needs to do is get the masses that already have the conservative values needed to make this country great again, the “wal-mart” conservatives I believe is the term he used. I believe the RNC just assumes that the “wal-mart” crowd is a bunch of left leaning entitlement seekers and they wrongly assume they will just fall in line with the Dems. What a ridiculous miscalculation! I do understand the “show me the money” concept, but just paying the working class conservative a little attention would go a long way (yes, I know, I’m probably a little naïve)
Unfortunately, radical change is what is required but radical change is not the “safe” move. Well, radical change got BHO elected while the RNC sat on their hands trying to figure out a way to out finesse BHO and libs. I don’t want to loose another major round of elections either, but I’d rather take our chances with a party and candidates that truly stand for and are committed to defending the constitution and the good people of this country.
If you get a chance to hear the speech, it’s worth a listen. He holds nothing back and its likely that he won’t be getting a big atta’ boy from Michael Steele or John McCain.
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TexGun I agree that Rush's talk was a hoot ! Here is a link to it from CSPAN:
http://www.cspan.org/Watch/watch.aspx?MediaId=HP-A-15919
All the other speakers, including Wayne LaPierre from the NRA can be found on several pages here:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/townhall-presents-cpac-2009
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Texgun, you are only partly right. B Hore got elected by BSing about radical change, rather than doing anything "new" he has simply adopted the policies that failed for carter and filled his cabinet with long term party hacks who have been consistantly wrong for decades.
Will the RNC return to it's conservative roots ? Will they return to Reagan's principles like the working and laid off Americans want them to, as the situation demands if we wish to avoid economic melt down and Nanny state dictatorship ?
Think about this, there 4 candidates to head the RNC, 3 of them owned 1 or more guns, guess which one got the job. :(
Time for either a new party or another revolution.
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For the first time in my voting life, I registered as an Independent. Not because the Libs swayed me with some awesome rhetoric about the future of this country, BECAUSE the party I always admired and voted for LET ME DOWN!. >:(
McCain was not my candidate, but I voted for him because he was better than what we have now.
The RINO mentality fails, just like cheap ammo...
The Dems don't capitulate, but the RINO's do, and as previously stated, get their butts handed to them every time. The lemming portion of the population that fall for this crap won't do what has been said for decades: VOTE THE BUMS OUT!.
I'm frankly sick of both parties; and I wish it wasn't so,...
Time for either a new party or another revolution.
+100 on that Tom.
"I have not been right wing brainwashed, I'm not ignorant, nor am I a racist. I am an educated professional, religious, gun toting, constitution believing, person that loves the country that our founding fathers fought for."
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"Freedom is a fragile thing and is never more than one generation away from extinction. It is not ours by inheritance; it must be fought for and defended constantly by each generation, for it comes only once to a people. Those who have known freedom and then lost it have never known it again."
Ronald Wilson Reagan, 40th President of the United States
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For the first time in my voting life, I registered as an Independent. Not because the Libs swayed me with some awesome rhetoric about the future of this country, BECAUSE the party I always admired and voted for LET ME DOWN!. >:(
McCain was not my candidate, but I voted for him because he was better than what we have now.
The RINO mentality fails, just like cheap ammo...
The Dems don't capitulate, but the RINO's do, and as previously stated, get their butts handed to them every time. The lemming portion of the population that fall for this crap won't do what has been said for decades: VOTE THE BUMS OUT!.
I'm frankly sick of both parties; and I wish it wasn't so,...
Time for either a new party or another revolution.
+100 on that Tom.
"I have not been right wing brainwashed, I'm not ignorant, nor am I a racist. I am an educated professional, religious, gun toting, constitution believing, person that loves the country that our founding fathers fought for."
Anonymous
"Freedom is a fragile thing and is never more than one generation away from extinction. It is not ours by inheritance; it must be fought for and defended constantly by each generation, for it comes only once to a people. Those who have known freedom and then lost it have never known it again."
Ronald Wilson Reagan, 40th President of the United States
Make no mistake about it - we would have had a financial meltdown even if McCain had been elected. The person who sits in the WH really no longer matters, as it is the nameless bureaucrats and financial elites around the world who are working together to undermine us and create their little 1-world fantasy - run by them of course. We are simply the chattel that generates more wealth for them.
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Make no mistake about it - we would have had a financial meltdown even if McCain had been elected. The person who sits in the WH really no longer matters, as it is the nameless bureaucrats and financial elites around the world who are working together to undermine us and create their little 1-world fantasy - run by them of course. We are simply the chattel that generates more wealth for them.
That is why I say two parties, one purpose. I can't think of a single thing that the Republican party does that is conservative.
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After all the begging here I held my nose and voted for McCain, NEVER AGAIN! Run an acceptable candidate or go pound salt.
All Rinos must go or I do. It is that simple.
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Republican party conservatives. >:( Better get their act together or Dem's will STAY in power.
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Make no mistake about it - we would have had a financial meltdown even if McCain had been elected. The person who sits in the WH really no longer matters, as it is the nameless bureaucrats and financial elites around the world who are working together to undermine us and create their little 1-world fantasy - run by them of course. We are simply the chattel that generates more wealth for them.
That is why I say two parties, one purpose. I can't think of a single thing that the Republican party does that is conservative.
I would agree in general about this the labels of conservative and liberal that we toss about are more degrees that principles. I don't know that it is just the nameless bureaucrats but the mindless masses that all have the concept of "what can you do for me". We all express outrage at pork barrel spending and earmarks until the project may favor us. If we can not act by principle we are lead to act by relativism..I pick the least of two evils. I have done a lot of "no chance of electable" third party voting in my life because I vote by principle.
I believe at a federal level it is kind of a lost cause at least in the near term. But I believe there is much we can do at the local level and rebuild from the ground up, a revolution of enlightenment and education.
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a revolution of enlightenment and education.
The opposite is to be found in the public school and university system, as long as 90% of the people go through
their indoctrination system, the battle is lost.
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Well it means you need to be a little more proactive with your kids and you need to build a solid foundation early - it is the 1-8 year old phase when a good portion of our core being is instilled...hand that off (as we often do now with both parents working) and you are completely hosed.
Still once they are teens it is a challenge. Not like you can excite them to pick up Bastiat's The Law or Rand's Atlas Shrugged for some fun summer reading. My two sons (now 16/14) both were avid readers. Now not really so. The oldest has a little bit of the entitlement mentality or the it will just happen or video game expertitus. Example, tells us on the Friday before school starts, I want to play football....ok, I am sure all the guys that just finished a couple of weeks of two-a-days will really like that. I think he figured, I am a pretty great Dback on Madden 09, I got this covered. As we all banter topics in on the wonderous web, this is where kids live their lives...in a virtual bubble.
So by shades and degrees we (the general citizenry) give up a little here and there and work our way along giving up freedoms because just like "why do you need that assault weapon" they think "why do I really need that right anymore"