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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Rastus on March 07, 2009, 08:49:10 PM
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Many of us love and hold dearly at least one Ruger 10/22. Some, though not me, even have had occasion to purchase the ever elusive 10/22 in 22 magnum.
Since we know Ruger VP's sometimes scour the board (hope that catchy, sort of, title gotcha') what do ya'll think about a run of 10/22's in the 5.7 caliber that has been promulgated? You can get that 40 grain bullet to 17HMR 17 grain bullet speeds...it would be a superior light weight semi-auto, eh?
A centerfire in a rimfire package with better designed cartridge than say the old (and more powerful) 22 Hornet or the 22 rimfires.
OK...what do you guys think?
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At this time I only have one 10/22. It was used when I bought it and a Winchester 1200 Ranger (actually traded the smooth bore Winchester slug barrel for the Ruger) right after a house fire where I lost all my guns ... uninsured :'(
I have used and used and used this little gun and never given it the credit for what it is. I have had my eyes open for deals on them the last couple years, but have not been able to find any ... actually find one now and then, but not when I have the cash. Any caliber that Ruger could put in this reliable and durable little package would be much appreciated.
The key to your thoughts and mine is they need to maintain Bill Ruger's mindset that they are gun people and if they build what they like we will like it. My take on this is to quit screwing around with fancy marketing and chasing the competition, and build reliable, durable, guns that shooters enjoy shooting. They don't need a bunch of researchers to do this if they have true shooters working for them!
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OK. Not much response here...maybe I should approach this differently. What custom gun shop do ya'll know that may modify a Ruger 10/22M for 5.7 x 28?
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Rastus,
I'm not up on the mini 14, but wouldn't what you are talking about be an accurized mini 14?
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Rastus,
I'm not up on the mini 14, but wouldn't what you are talking about be an accurized mini 14?
I was looking for lighter, easier to handle than the mini-14. I don't think the action needs be so large as on the mini 14. The 5.7 round is quite small, a rotary mag would be a big plus. The mini is a good thought, but I was thinking it would be easier to scale up a 10/22 than scale down something else...just my pipe dreams I guess.
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5.7 x 28 is centerfire, no?
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5.7 x 28 is centerfire, no?
Yup...cute little something too.
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Wouldn't you need to redesign the bolt to position the firing pin to stike the primer instead of the rim ?
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Wouldn't you need to redesign the bolt to position the firing pin to stike the primer instead of the rim ?
Yes, and the 5.7 case is not rimmed like the 22 either.
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Just a guess, but I would be surprised to see the 10/22 offered in any caliber that requires MUCH more than a change in barrel/chamber,
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Just a guess, but I would be surprised to see the 10/22 offered in any caliber that requires MUCH more than a change in barrel/chamber,
Yup. Barrel chambering and bolt redesign..which should be a drop in with bigger springs.
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How about the Ruger Police Carbine in 5.7? That might be similar. Bring back the Police Carbine!
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I love the idea of a light semiauto varmnit/truck gun Rastus, but there is little chance of Ruger spending the money to develop a new semiauto centerfire now. It would however be easy(cheap) for Ruger to offer a 77/22 version in 5.7x28. The 10/5.7 would however be the perfect fox rifle.
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Rastus, 2 big things if barrel and bolt could be made, the cartridge length is 1.137" for the 5.7 and only .590" for the .22 lr, and even the 22 mag is only 1.052" long, where would you get magazines. The diameter is much bigger as well. Maybe an M1 carbine, but they are worth too much now. You can get a 5.7 upper for an AR15, that takes the FN 50 round mags, but last I looked 6-700 bucks.
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Rastus, 2 big things if barrel and bolt could be made, the cartridge length is 1.137" for the 5.7 and only .590" for the .22 lr, and even the 22 mag is only 1.052" long, where would you get magazines. The diameter is much bigger as well. Maybe an M1 carbine, but they are worth too much now. You can get a 5.7 upper for an AR15, that takes the FN 50 round mags, but last I looked 6-700 bucks.
That upper is really cool, but I've got the PS-90 and don't want to remove the uppers I have from the lowers I have...of course that would be a reason to hook up with a new lower. ...maybe get that Tactical Solution upper too and swap from upper to upper... But, anyway, I'd prefer something that didn'thave the gas blowback system, etc.. for whatever reason. Maybe it's just the with all the hullabaloo for EBR's I am EBR'd out...I did pick up a Ruger Hawkeye the other day.
And yes...it's a tad longer...but ought to not take much changing in to go to 5.7. A minor change to machine the chamber of the barrel...the bolt is a block of metal, just machine the firing pin in center, change a couple of springs...voila'. Now..that extra 1/10 inch on the mag...I dunno if that would require a change in the receiver machining or not...I was supposing not but I could be wrong,
If Tactical Solutions would spring a conversion kit for a 10/22 I'd snap it up but there would have to be enough interest from the public to get Tacsol or Ruger interested. It's just with handloads you could zip a 40 gr Vmax at 2,500 or so and be zero at 50 and zero at 100, plus or minus in a "conventional" package without gas blowback....the PS-90, being a bullpup, isn't my ideal for hunting.....
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That upper is really cool, but I've got the PS-90 and don't want to remove the uppers I have from the lowers I have...of course that would be a reason to hook up with a new lower. ...maybe get that Tactical Solution upper too and swap from upper to upper... But, anyway, I'd prefer something that didn'thave the gas blowback system, etc.. for whatever reason. Maybe it's just the with all the hullabaloo for EBR's I am EBR'd out...I did pick up a Ruger Hawkeye the other day.
And yes...it's a tad longer...but ought to not take much changing in to go to 5.7. A minor change to machine the chamber of the barrel...the bolt is a block of metal, just machine the firing pin in center, change a couple of springs...voila'. Now..that extra 1/10 inch on the mag...I dunno if that would require a change in the receiver machining or not...I was supposing not but I could be wrong,
If Tactical Solutions would spring a conversion kit for a 10/22 I'd snap it up but there would have to be enough interest from the public to get Tacsol or Ruger interested. It's just with handloads you could zip a 40 gr Vmax at 2,500 or so and be zero at 50 and zero at 100, plus or minus in a "conventional" package without gas blowback....the PS-90, being a bullpup, isn't my ideal for hunting.....
Rastus, These are not "minor" changes. The differences in dimensions require completely new blue prints, fixtures,and programs. these have to be made, tested, inspected (requires new inspection criteria and processes to be certified), debugged, reinspected, operators trained on new program and inspection requirements. Also the new assembly, (whole gun) has to be tested and probably will require some redesign to parts affected by the increased recoil. to sell how many units ? One of the biggest selling points of the 10/22 is that it is the cheap to shoot .22 caliber, IF the larger caliber is as reliable as the current .22 then it's STILL just another center fire .22 that would be competing with their own Mini 14. It would cut into the Mini 14 market without generating enough sales to repay the R&D costs. Sorry, it might happen, but I would not hold my breath waiting.
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Yeah...well....maybe somebody will make one.