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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: blackwolfe on March 10, 2009, 06:15:30 PM
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Breaking news about a S.E. Alabama work place shooting, detaills uncertain, reports of 4-13 dead. I'm sure this will give more fuel to the anti's.
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I wonder how many of them will be staged by anti's the same way the arabs talk people into suicide bombings.
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With all the layoffs going on and general shitty mood and stress levels, it isn't surprising. Falling Down
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It should give more fuel to anti-gun-free-wokplacers and anti-gun-free-zoners.
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There was a church shooting on sunday that was ignored by the media..... guy walked up to the pastor and shot him with a .45
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Fox and Yahoo news both had it.
In fact my little local paper (the Free one) carried the story Monday and about his arraignment today.
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There was a church shooting on sunday that was ignored by the media..... guy walked up to the pastor and shot him with a .45
It was all over the news and talk shows down here.
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More details trickling in. Apparently not a workplace shooting. as the first report I heard. 10 confirmed killed in a roaming spree and shootout with police. Sheriff's deputy's wife and child killed and a police officer shot.
Prayers for the victims and their families.
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There was a church shooting on sunday that was ignored by the media..... guy walked up to the pastor and shot him with a .45
We've seen a lot of it on Los Angeles TV.
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There was a church shooting on sunday that was ignored by the media..... guy walked up to the pastor and shot him with a .45
That was in Illinois, you know, were carrying a gun is illegal. Oh thats right the shooter was a criminal and they don't obey the law.
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That was in Illinois, you know, were carrying a gun is illegal. Oh thats right the shooter was a criminal and they don't obey the law.
Tom Gresham was talking about it on his podcast and mentioned that the speed with which he transitioned from jammed pistol to knife illustrates the fact that it's not the tool thats to blame it's the flake using it.
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"After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it."
William Burroughs
After the "AK Ambush" here in South Florida, as the media coined it, as details of the church shooting and this one Alabama today, it won't take long for the call for "gun control" to rear it's head. (again).....
"Gun Control - A theory espoused by some monumentally stupid people; who claim to believe, against all logic and common sense, that a violent predator who ignores the laws prohibiting them from robbing, raping, kidnapping, torturing and killing their fellow human beings will obey a law telling them that they cannot own a gun."
OldNoob
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it has hit the new here :( :'( :'(
RIP to the people that have lost there lived
it is a real shame that the Oxygen thief took the soft way out and killed him self
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25170632-401,00.html
Several killed in shooting spree in Samson and Geneva, Alabama
Massacre ... a man is reflected in a storefront window that was shot during the shooting spree in Samson, Alabama / AP
Gunman on shooting spree in two towns
Pursued along highway
Goes into store, kills himself
SEVERAL people have been killed in a shooting spree in two towns in the southern US state of Alabama.
Police said nine people have been killed in Samson and Geneva. The gunman killed himself.
The Alabama Department of Safety said the shooting spree began in Samson. The gunman killed five people in one home and one each in two other homes. A woman was also found between the pumps and front door of a petrol station.
One person was shot between Samson and Geneva. Among the dead are a sheriff deputy’s wife and child. Possible additional shooting sites are being investigated.
The gunman shot at a state trooper's car, striking the vehicle seven times and wounding
Geneva Police Chief Frankie Lindsey with broken glass, the Associated Press reported.
Police pursued the gunman to Reliable Metal Products just north of Geneva, where he fired an estimated 30 rounds.
The gunman then went in the business and shot himself.
“He was shooting anybody he saw,“ Geneva Mayor Wynnton Melton told The Dothan Eagle.
Samson resident Alina Knowles told the Eagle she had witnessed the horrific scene.
“You see what I saw. I went to get the baby (who lived there). There was blood all over that porch. The baby was covered in her mother’s blood,” she said.
State Senator Harri Anne Smith said: "We were briefed that it was probably one of the worst instances in Alabama history, at least in the last several years."
More to come ...
With Reuters
the worst part is all the Anti Gunners will be out wanting to take this time to push there point
they will have no respect for the Families that have lost loved ones due to this tragedy
case point check out some of the comments here http://www.news.com.au/comments/0,23600,25170632-401,00.html
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wonder if they will post my comment
firstly I would like to pass on my condolences to the Family's that have lost loved ones in this tragedy.
I am ashamed at the comments here
this is the wrong time to be calling for bans or more restrictions.
People have lost lives in the Illegal use of a firearm. Every time something like this happens they are out calling for bans
it just shows what they are like. just wanting to push there own agenda and not thoughts to the families involved
it really pisses me off when they come out and just call out for the bans with out thinking of the Families
also ignore the fact that it was an illegal use of a firearm to start with so banning will do SFA
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I know that someone will remember the incident and the video and bring it forward, but I remember a restaurant shooting spree where an older couple were among the killed. There were cries for bans, and the anti's thumped their chests as they did it for the victims and the grieving families. Then comes an interview with the daughter of the couple who praised her parents' love for one another right to the end, and she expressed her only regret in being that she left her own handgun in the car because the establishment was a "safe" gun free zone.
If you want to end the madness, treat the real issues that cause this type of violence with tools of any kind, and let the rest of us exercise our Rights.
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Emphasis below mine. Might as well jam your thinly veiled editorial opinion / agenda in as well...
At least 10 killed in Alabama shooting spree
By Verna Gates Verna Gates 30 mins ago
BIRMINGHAM, Alabama (Reuters) – At least 10 people including the suspected gunman and his mother were killed in a shooting spree and car chase in southern Alabama on Tuesday, authorities said.
The shooter, who was in his mid-30s, killed five people including the wife of a local deputy sheriff and her 3-month-old baby at a mobile home in Samson, according to Wynnton Melton, mayor of nearby Geneva, Alabama.
His other victims included his own mother, two people killed at a convenience store and a man in a pickup truck who died during a car chase as the gunman apparently fired at random, said Melton.
The shooting began in Samson, a small town in the southeastern part of the state and ended after a car chase and gun battle in Geneva, the county seat about 12 miles away, according to the FBI and local police.
"Officer Ricky Morgan rammed his car to distract him and was rewarded with a hail of bullets," said Melton. "One bullet grazed the shoulder of police chief Frankie Lindsey."
A police officer in Geneva said the gunman "shot at several vehicles on the highway and then he shot at Wal-Mart and Piggly Wiggly," a grocery store.
A statement from the Alabama Department of Public Safety said state and local law enforcement agencies had responded to "a series of at least four shooting incidents" involving what was believed to be a lone gunman.
The suspect "left at least nine victims dead before he died from a self-inflicted gunshot," the statement said.
Police said they expected to find more victims. There was no indication of a motive for the spree in which a house was also burned in a nearby county.
Rural southeastern Alabama, which borders Florida, is a largely agricultural area with many low-income families. It relies partly on peanut crops.
Mass shootings have become a feature of life in the United States.
In one of the worst recent incidents, a gunman dressed as Santa Claus killed nine guests at a Christmas Eve party, before taking his own life in Covina, California, a suburb of Los Angeles.
On April 16, 2007, Virginia Tech, a university in Blacksburg, Virginia, became the site of the deadliest rampage in modern U.S. history when a student gunman killed 32 people and himself.
Guns are widely available for purchase in the United States, a country that prides itself on the right to own weapons for self defense and hunting.
(Writing by Matthew Bigg; editing by Tom Brown)
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How very very sad for all the families of people concerned, whether or not concealed carry would have helped in this case will probably be debated till the cows come home, one thing is for certain it certainly would not have hindered.
As we in Australia have learned in recent times a gun is not needed to cause death, chaos and destruction to a person well motivated to cause harm, all they need do is strike a match, and instantly over 200 people die.
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Sadly, we have had yet another psycho going on a (presumably) assault weapon equipped shooting spree this one looks to be as bad as it gets. Nine victims, muliple wounded, including LEOs etc. We can only pray for the families. But be prepared for the fallout. The link is www.nytimes.com
fightingquaker13
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I know that someone will remember the incident and the video and bring it forward, but I remember a restaurant shooting spree where an older couple were among the killed. There were cries for bans, and the anti's thumped their chests as they did it for the victims and the grieving families. Then comes an interview with the daughter of the couple who praised her parents' love for one another right to the end, and she expressed her only regret in being that she left her own handgun in the car because the establishment was a "safe" gun free zone.
If you want to end the madness, treat the real issues that cause this type of violence with tools of any kind, and let the rest of us exercise our Rights.
Suzanna Gratia Hupp at Luby's Cafeteria in Killeen, TX. Laws against concealed carry killed her parents and maybe others that she may have been able to save. She later became a pre second amendment representative in the TX House of Reps in a dimocratic district. I'd have voted for her for a federal office, but she's probably too smart for that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1u0Byq5Qis
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"Gun Control - A theory espoused by some monumentally stupid people; who claim to believe, against all logic and common sense, that a violent predator who ignores the laws prohibiting them from robbing, raping, kidnapping, torturing and killing their fellow human beings will obey a law telling them that they cannot own a gun."
OldNoob
To me gun control means using both hands!
We had a school shooting just 2 hours ago here in Germany. Nine people killed and a lot more wounded. I pray to god that the guy was not a firearms license holder. Otherwise we are in deep sh...
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To me gun control means using both hands!
“I have a very strict gun control policy: if there's a gun around, I want to be in control of it.”
Clint Eastwood
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We had a school shooting just 2 hours ago here in Germany. Nine people killed and a lot more wounded. I pray to god that the guy was not a firearms license holder. Otherwise we are in deep sh...
I just hope they find the prick
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php/topic,5604.0.html
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Thanks Fuzdaddy!
You guys give me the final qualification I needed to be President ... I'm already a babbling idiot, and now I have surrounded myself with very smart people. The only draw back is that you have common sense and a personality ... and one with hairballs ;D
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Tom Gresham was talking about it on his podcast and mentioned that the speed with which he transitioned from jammed pistol to knife illustrates the fact that it's not the tool thats to blame it's the flake using it.
I think its ironic that he was using one of those "Evil semi automatic" pistols..... yet if it had been a revolver he probably would not have jammed after 2 rds
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Thanks Fuzdaddy!
You guys give me the final qualification I needed to be President ... I'm already a babbling idiot, and now I have surrounded myself with very smart people. The only draw back is that you have common sense and a personality ... and one with hairballs ;D
That was the last one. Now we've got the smart guy surrounding himself with people with no common sense. As Ive said before, damnd either way. I still like the idea of Haz hawking up a hairball in the west wing though. ;D
fightingquaker13
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I'll have y'all know that I use Pet-a-malt to help them 'pass through'. ;)
(http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/wuerg/vomit-smiley-011.gif)
;D
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Police pursued McLendon to Geneva's Reliable Metal Products, where he got out of his car and fired at police with his automatic weapon, wounding Geneva Police Chief Frankie Lindsey. He then walked inside and killed himself.
http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SOUTH_ALABAMA_SHOOTINGS?SITE=FLPET&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2009-03-11-00-07-39
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I have read the Associated Press article Haz posted, heard this on TV and Radio, but have not heard what the rifle was. Has anyone heard? They keep saying "automatic," but I don't know whether the Associated Press has this correct or not.
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m58,
Same here. That is why I posted that snippet and a link. Full auto?? In one story it said he 'sprayed 30 rounds' at the LEO. So who knows at this point.
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Thanks Fuzdaddy!
You guys give me the final qualification I needed to be President ... I'm already a babbling idiot, and now I have surrounded myself with very smart people. The only draw back is that you have common sense and a personality ... and one with hairballs ;D
We pay our taxes too :(
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I stand corrected :-[
You guys have pointed out that I am over qualified for President, so I'll just have to reign as King ... How does for life sound ;D
I'm looking for a group of jesters. No need to apply, I've got a long list from this place ;D
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UH m58.........We tried that once and got into a little fuss getting rid of it, so I'll pass. ;)
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UH m58.........We tried that once and got into a little fuss getting rid of it, so I'll pass. ;)
I think you you would quit playing with that mouse in the corner and listen to what is being discussed in the Oval Office you'd hear that there are plans for that again >:(
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MSNBC(D) reports that the gunman was a "gun collector"
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MSNBC(D) reports that the gunman was a "gun collector"
Do they qualify what they mean by "collector?"
I really miss what I was taught in fifth grade as what made up good news reporting - who, what, when, where and why. All I have gotten for the past couple decades is sound bites that sound more like gossip than the rumors they cause.
Add the lack of reliable information relayed to us with the fact that every reporter is busy trying to use some worn out term like "....gate," coin a new word or phrase like "threepeat," or pass his own moral agenda disquised as news, and it is amazing we understand anything anymore.
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Do they qualify what they mean by "collector?"
Yep! The very next sentence out of the reporters mouth was "and he used that collection to commit this massacre".
MSNBC(D)
(http://homepage.mac.com/mkoldys/blog/user_files/msnbo.jpg)
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Just heard a little snippet on FOX news that the BG once trained as a police officer.
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According to this news report he used an SKS. a Bushmaster with magazines taped together, a shotgun, and a .38.
http://www.wtvynews4.com/home/headlines/41091132.html
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Don't know if will be posted but I sent a comment about 'assault rifles' and 'high capacity' magazines.
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From FOX NEWS
Machine gun-toting man leaves 12 dead across two Alabama counties — including his own mother and girlfriend — in a bloody rampage,
It had to be a "machine" gun
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From FOX NEWS
Machine gun-toting man leaves 12 dead across two Alabama counties — including his own mother and girlfriend — in a bloody rampage,
It had to be a "machine" gun
To the ignorant masses, anything that is not a 5 shot revolver IS a machine gun.
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To the ignorant masses, anything that is not a 5 shot revolver IS a machine gun.
According to the MSM...anything that you don't pour powder down the muzzle is an "automatic weapon".
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It's easier to attack the means than they "why". If you investigate the why, you may see that somewhere society has failed and doesn't want to admit it's failure, so the attack will be on the means (guns) instead of the evil monster that executes and burns his mother and tagets infants and todlers. This guy was truely evil.
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According to the MSM...anything that you don't pour powder down the muzzle is an "automatic weapon".
The boy could have run around doing this with a rock in his hand, and every one would have said thank God he didn't use that hand grenade.
When we people learn bad people do bad things, and it don't matter what's illegal they'll still do it. Truck bomb, stabbings, anthrax, make a tank out of a bulldozer, poison.... Arm the good guys, because this show once again, "when seconds count, the police are only minutes away." Sad.
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As expected, a press release from the Brady Campaign:
Alabama Shooting Shows Need for Assault Weapons Ban Say National Groups
WASHINGTON - March 11 - Following yesterday’s assault weapon rampage shooting in Alabama leaving 11 dead including the shooter, America’s leading national gun violence prevention organizations--Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, Freedom States Alliance, Legal Community Against Violence, and Violence Policy Center-- issued the following joint statement:
“Our sympathies go to all those affected by this terrible tragedy.
“The guns used in yesterday’s rampage shooting across Alabama--a Bushmaster AR-15-style assault rifle and an SKS assault rifle--are military-bred firearms developed for the specific purpose of killing human beings quickly and efficiently. Yesterday’s shooting is only the latest addition to a string of preventable tragedies committed with these military-style weapons. America needs an effective federal assault weapons ban to stop the mass production and marketing by the gun industry of these anti-personnel weapons. Today we call on the U.S. Congress to pass a federal assault weapons ban modeled on California’s effective law that would ban these weapons once and for all.
“The answer to gun violence is not more guns. Alabama has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the nation–more than 57 percent of the state’s households have guns–and some of the weakest gun laws in the country. At the same time, its overall gun death rate for 2005 (16.18 per 100,000) ranks it fifth in the nation. The sad truth is that America will continue to experience these horrific events until Congress listens to the friends and families of the 30,000 Americans who die from guns each year instead of the National Rifle Association.”
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As expected, a press release from the Brady Campaign:
Canned rhetoric. ::)
Was there also a statement issued by Brady about the church shooting on Sunday that occurred in the state which has the strictest gun laws and at the same time leads the nation in murders? Cue the crickets.
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I stand corrected :-[
You guys have pointed out that I am over qualified for President, so I'll just have to reign as King ... How does for life sound ;D
I'm looking for a group of jesters. No need to apply, I've got a long list from this place ;D
I'd volunteer, but I think we already have a King. King BHO - or is that Messiah BHO - only begotten son of Pelosi?
I knew there was change that we could count on. I just didn't think that they meant that I'd be counting the dollars that I have left on one hand.
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As expected, a press release from the Brady Campaign:
How is an SKS an assault weapon? That one isn't even on our list in California.
Mao Tse Tung: "All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party." (Problems of War and Strategy, Nov 6 1938, published in "Selected Works of Mao Zedong," 1965)
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We had a school shooting just 2 hours ago here in Germany. Nine people killed and a lot more wounded. I pray to god that the guy was not a firearms license holder. Otherwise we are in deep sh...
I saw this on the news this morning. What are the laws like about owning guns in Germany? They probably fly in the face of the antis here. Was this an American school?
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According to the Birmingham News (http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2009/03/victims_of_south_alabama_shoot.html):
"Police said McLendon was armed with two assault rifles, an SKS and a Bushmaster, using high-capacity magazines taped together; a shotgun; and a .38-caliber handgun. At this time we believe that he fired in excess of 200 rounds during the assaults."
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That was in Illinois, you know, were carrying a gun is illegal. Oh thats right the shooter was a criminal and they don't obey the law.
Draconian gun laws work REALLY well, don't they BHO, you piece of....................nevermind
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I know that someone will remember the incident and the video and bring it forward, but I remember a restaurant shooting spree where an older couple were among the killed. There were cries for bans, and the anti's thumped their chests as they did it for the victims and the grieving families. Then comes an interview with the daughter of the couple who praised her parents' love for one another right to the end, and she expressed her only regret in being that she left her own handgun in the car because the establishment was a "safe" gun free zone.
If you want to end the madness, treat the real issues that cause this type of violence with tools of any kind, and let the rest of us exercise our Rights.
That was the Luby's Cafeteria Shooting in Kileen, Texas. The daughter (a doctor, who is, to use your term Mike, BEYOND hot) was later eleceted to the Texas Legislature and was instrumental in pushing through the carry laws that they have in place today.
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“I have a very strict gun control policy: if there's a gun around, I want to be in control of it.”
Clint Eastwood
Name the movie.
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Name the movie.
'Dirty Harry'..??
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'Dirty Harry'..??
No, that one was "Make my day" I think it was "Dead Pool"
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It is not from a movie. It is one of Clint's personal statements.
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Alabama has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the nation–more than 57 percent of the state’s households have guns–and some of the weakest gun laws in the country.
57 percent...and the gun crime rate is also 57 percent of the people in the state? Oh, just a stupid statistic with no correlation. The Brady Bunch is so Dumb.
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Name the movie.
Yep it was a quote from the grate Man him self :)
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Yep it was a quote from the grate Man him self :)
Actually, it's from the Clint Eastwood film, "Pink Cadillac" with Bernadette Peters. She asks Clint's character for one of his guns and he replies with the gem previously quoted.
Mrs. T says I'm a veritable fount of useless information.
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No, that one was "Make my day" I think it was "Dead Pool"
I thought "Make my day" was from 'Sudden Impact'.
"Go ahead, make my day." is a phrase written by Joseph C. Stinson and said by the character Harry Callahan from the 1983 film Sudden Impact. In 2005, it was chosen as #6 on the American Film Institute list, AFI's 100 Years... 100 Movie Quotes. The "Make My Day Law" passed in most U.S. states, derives its name from this phrase.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_ahead,_make_my_day.
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So the guy had a SKS and an AR-15 so what ? I guess a 30-30 and a semi shot gun would have been better . Give me a break
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So the guy had a SKS and an AR-15 so what ? I guess a 30-30 and a semi shot gun would have been better . Give me a break
The report in the local paper here quotes the Sheriff as saying it "was an AK, or maybe an M-16, but whatever, he was ripping off some long bursts".
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I read/heard somewhere that when they went to his house...he had a "whole arsenal". Which consisted of a couple of shotguns and...get this..."over 500 rounds of .22lr". >:(
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I've always said that I'd hate to see what they would write about me if I were every busted ... Did Haz make the paper?
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I've always said that I'd hate to see what they would write about me if I were every busted ... Did Haz make the paper?
The BATF would have a photo op.
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ME?? In the papers? ON the papers maybe. ;D
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ME?? In the papers? ON the papers maybe. ;D
We know your not that well trained. :) You probably just get angry, claw the papers up, make a mess and then get thrown outside when the boss gets home. ;D
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I've always said that I'd hate to see what they would write about me if I were every busted ... Did Haz make the paper?
LOL
All of us. We better not ever take a group photo together.
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We know your not that well trained. :) You probably just get angry, claw the papers up, make a mess and then get thrown outside when the boss gets home. ;D
Boss can't pick me up that alone throw me. ;)
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Sad for the victims and families by the gutless man who could kill his own mother. One thing that I kept hearing on the radio and seeing on tv was how they never mentioned the AR-15 but instead kept calling it a Bushmaster. Not sure if anyone else noticed that?
Messed up times we live in and there are some upset folks out there who are rather desperate. Just keep your eyes peeled and stay alert.
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Boss can't pick me up that alone throw me. ;)
Good man, Haz! My Dad always told me never to date a woman who could take you two out of three falls.
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Sad for the victims and families by the gutless man who could kill his own mother. One thing that I kept hearing on the radio and seeing on tv was how they never mentioned the AR-15 but instead kept calling it a Bushmaster. Not sure if anyone else noticed that?
Messed up times we live in and there are some upset folks out there who are rather desperate. Just keep your eyes peeled and stay alert.
Too true. The NY Times reported that his neighbors considered him "quiet". I still go with George Carlin. While you're worrying about the "quiet types", some noisy bastard is likely to sneak up on you.
fightingquaker13
Not even mentioning what the ATF would find in a raid
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Good man, Haz! My Dad always told me never to date a woman who could take you two out of three falls.
My dad always told me to marry a woman with small hands, cuz it makes your pecker look bigger. ;D
You don't even have to say it, Teresa, I'm headed to the corner. :-[