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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: philw on March 11, 2009, 06:34:35 AM
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http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,,25173824-5012749,00.html
Update 10.22pm: AT least 10 people have been killed in a school shooting in Germany, according to local television reports.
CNN said the killer was a 17-year-old former student of the high school attacked. He was reportedly armed with a rifle, and is said to be still on the run.
The editor of a local newspaper told television channel N-TV that eight schoolchildren and two adults have been killed, reports said. Local police have confirmed that at least 10 people have been killed in the attack.
Police said the reports were of an attack in Winnenden, northeast of Stuttgart.
The gunman, who was wearing a black combat uniform, fled after the attack and was seen heading for the town centre.
CNN reported that the attacker remains at large, adding that the town's 28,000 residents have been told to remain indoors as police hunt the killer down.
"The attacker just started shooting wildly," N-TV quoted a witness as saying.
The rampage comes hours after a man killed 10 in a shooting spree in the US state of Alabama.
I was almost convinced that the US one had blown over before it had started but the media really are going to cream their pants over this one
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<http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25174068-23109,00.html>
A TEENAGE gunman who killed at least 10 people at a school in southern Germany is still on the run, police said, denying earlier reports of an arrest.
The 17-year-old went on the killing spree at a school he once attended before fleeing, police said.
Armed commandos with helicopters and dogs went in pursuit of the gunman, who fled in the direction of the town centre at Winnenden near Stuttgart.
The editor of the local paper Frank Nipkau told television channel N-TV that eight pupils and two adults were shot dead at the secondary school.
Several other people are believed to have been injured in the attack.
"The gunman just sprayed bullets all around him,'' N-TV news channel cited an unnamed witness as saying.
Journalist Philipp Grohm from Stuttgart radio told the same channel that the gunman had used a machine gun.
Europe has been scarred by a number of fatal school shootings in recent years, at least three of them in Germany.
In February 2002, a 22-year-old gunman killed the headmaster and seriously injured another person in a vocational training establishment he attended at Freising, near Munich.
Two months later, 16 people were killed at a high-school in Erfurt in eastern Germany, by a 19-year-old former student, who then killed himself.
In November 2006, a former student at a vocational school in Lower Saxony in northwestern Germany went a shooting spree in the establishment, injuring 37 people before turning his gun on himself.
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The gunman was killed by police in a shootout in a mall. Looks like it´s over.
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The gunman was killed by police in a shootout in a mall. Looks like it´s over.
yea I just saw that
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25174532-23109,00.html
POLICE olice have shot dead a teenage gunman who killed at least 11 people at a school in southern Germany, police sources says.
Police said that several others were wounded in today's shooting spree at the secondary school in Winnenden, near the southern city of Stuttgart.
An earlier media report said the gunman had shot himself in the car park of a shopping centre.
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<http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,25174703-5006301,00.html>
A TEENAGER in black combat gear went on a killing spree at his former school in Germany, killing 15 people.
Police said several others were wounded in yesterday's shooting spree at the secondary school in Winnenden, near the southern city of Stuttgart, which occurred last night, Adelaide time.
Commandos with helicopters and dogs launched a hunt for the 17-year-old gunman.
German media reports said he shot himself dead in the car park of a nearby shopping centre. Police later confirmed the gunman had been shot dead by their officers.
Nine of the slain students were found in the school and the gunman killed an adult outside the building as he escaped, a regional police spokesman said. It was not immediately clear how the other victims died.
"He went into the school with a weapon and carried out a bloodbath," said police chief Erwin Hetger. "I've never seen anything like this in my life."
A local radio journalist told TV channel N-TV that the ex-pupil had used a machinegun.
The Bild daily newspaper said on its website that police commandos had stormed the home of the 17-year-old's parents, where 18 weapons were legally held.
Winnenden, which is 25km northeast of Stuttgart in the southern state of Baden-Wuerttemberg, has around 27,000 inhabitants. In the U.S. southern state of Alabama on Tuesday, a gunman killed at least ten people before killing himself.
::) geez never saw that coming "used a machinegun" FFS looks like it will be one for the Anti's
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NBC Reports 15 dead
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29630925?GT1=43001
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It´s 16. They are still looking for more bodys. The shooting involved three different scenes.
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And of course, the European mentality,...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090311/ap_on_re_eu/eu_europe_gun_laws_1
After attacks, Europe hurries to tighten gun laws
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By MATTI HUUHTANEN, Associated Press Writer Matti Huuhtanen, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 18 mins ago
HELSINKI – Several European countries have restricted gun laws in the wake of school massacres, gang violence and other gun-related crimes:
_Finland announced plans Wednesday to impose stricter restrictions on firearms, including raising the minimum age for handgun ownership from 15 to 20. The proposal was prompted by two school massacres within a year in which lone gunmen opened fire on classmates and teachers.
_Germany, where a gunman killed at least 11 people Wednesday, raised the legal age for owning recreational firearms from 18 to 21 following a 2002 shooting in Erfurt that killed 16 people, including 12 teachers.
_Belgian lawmakers passed strict new gun control laws in 2006 in reaction to the racially motivated shooting deaths of a toddler and her black baby sitter in Antwerp.
_Swiss citizens are demanding a referendum aimed at confining army weapons to military compounds and banning private purchases of pump-action rifles and automatic weapons — following a spate of suicides and homicides.
_The Portuguese Parliament is currently discussing a government proposal to tighten gun laws, including denying bail to anyone suspected of a gun crime.
_Denmark's government said last week it will raise the penalty for illegal gun possession as part of a crackdown on gang violence that has killed three people and injured 25 in recent months.
_European Union lawmakers proposed tighter gun control across the bloc last year, including guidelines saying that only people over 18 not deemed a threat to public safety could buy and keep guns. EU members have until 2010 to adopt the measures.
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This blog article covers German Gun Laws:
http://www.examiner.com/x-2581-St-Louis-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m3d12-Two-vastly-different-sets-of-gun-laws-two-very-similar-outcomes
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As I mentined before in the Alabama thread. Here in Germany we are in deep sh... now! The media is going totally crazy. They demand that politicians should ban everything from computergames to airsoft guns. It is insane. Just bought 1000 more rounds of 9mm yesterday. Only god knows what the next weeks will bring. The guy at the firearmsstore was totally upset. In 2002 (when we had the first schoolshooting in Erfurt) people called him and threatened him at the phone.
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As I mentined before in the Alabama thread. Here in Germany we are in deep sh... now! The media is going totally crazy. They demand that politicians should ban everything from computergames to airsoft guns. It is insane. Just bought 1000 more rounds of 9mm yesterday. Only god knows what the next weeks will bring. The guy at the firearmsstore was totally upset. In 2002 (when we had the first schoolshooting in Erfurt) people called him and threatened him at the phone.
Mate I feel for you
I know what yo mean as after Port Arthur over here LAFO's all got bent over by out Government big time
and after over $500 Mill it did SFA
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Thanks bro... :(
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As I mentined before in the Alabama thread. Here in Germany we are in deep sh... now! The media is going totally crazy. They demand that politicians should ban everything from computergames to airsoft guns. It is insane. Just bought 1000 more rounds of 9mm yesterday. Only god knows what the next weeks will bring. The guy at the firearmsstore was totally upset. In 2002 (when we had the first schoolshooting in Erfurt) people called him and threatened him at the phone.
Did your country learn NOTHING from the debacle of the 1930's?!?
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http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,25189972-5005962,00.html
GERMAN Chancellor Angela Merkel has called for tighter gun control in her country after a teenager used his father's pistol to kill 15 people and himself.
"We will probably never be able to prevent (another such massacre), but one of the lessons from this horrible event is to be vigilant," Ms Merkel said today.
"The possession of weapons and munitions is a subject that we must strongly pay attention to – it must be controlled, rules must be applied," she said.
The German leader also evoked the possibility of having "spot checks" of weapons, just days after the bloodbath in the small southwestern town of Winnenden, near Stuttgart.
Last week Tim Kretschmer, 17, dressed in black combat gear and armed with a Beretta gun taken from his father's bedroom, went on a rampage at his former school.
He shot dead eight girls, one boy and three female teachers at the school, killed a passer-by outside a psychiatric clinic where he had been due to receive treatment, hijacked a car and shot two others at a car dealership.
He died in a shootout with police around 30km from the school. Police believe he shot himself.